Well, I've never been high on Fultz. This year didn't really give me much reason to change that opinion. Right now in a redraft I'd take Fox over both Fultz and Jackson, so that's why I said at #3 Fox is still probably BPA.
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Well, I've never been high on Fultz. This year didn't really give me much reason to change that opinion. Right now in a redraft I'd take Fox over both Fultz and Jackson, so that's why I said at #3 Fox is still probably BPA.
gunks
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Jackson was starting to kill it towards the end of the season, but he's a headcase so I wouldn't really want him on the team. Fultz is an enigma. It's pretty bizarre how terrible his rookie year went, but he may very well come back and be a great player. So you definitely have an argument that Fox would be BPA at 3 (ignoring what we know about Donovan Mitchell of course - he's likely going 1 or 2 in a redraft).
For the record, I like Fox. His rookie year was pretty rough, but he did improve, and if he continues to improve there is no reason to think he can't be a great PG for us in a couple years.
That Philly trade is still awful though. The fact that we got Fox last draft doesn't change that. Vlade wasn't playing 3D chess, he got lucky. Who's to say we couldn't have gotten Fox AND some goodies if we stayed at 3 and traded down with Phoenix if they were desperate for Jackson (Vlade is good at fleecing Phoenix, I'll give him that!) And we could be kicking Philly a top 5 pick next season. Mortgaging the future for one season of Rondo is a tough sell.
But even I'll happily admit that if the kids turn it around next season we can throw some dirt on this dead horse! I could care less if we give the 76ers pick 10-12 or whatever. And if Fox and company start balling out I'll give Vlade credit for a rebuild well done, despite his blunders. I'm a Vlade realist, not a Vlade hater or apologist. His bad decisions have had rather immediate impacts, while his other moves (mostly talking about his drafting) are going to take time to see whether or not they pan out. Giles alone could make Vlade look like a genius if he's half as good as the hype machine says he is.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I’d kill for mediocre at this point
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I believe that he shares that title with two other people. It's not a big deal, but hey, lets not miss a chance to bash somebody on the team.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I don't want to be the Hawks or Nuggets. I'd much rather just keep playing the lottery and eventually the Kings will luck into a franchise changing talent, despite the horrible draft record of this franchise, they are bound to get lucky sometime...hopefully it happens while we are all still alive and caring about basketball.
AleksandarN
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Although I would trade anyone on our team for Jokic.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I'm not that big of a Jokic fan, he is a modern era Brad Miller to me.
AleksandarN
Starter
Not even close. His vision is way better than Brad. He is way more offensely advanced even at 23 than Brad ever was.
King Baller
All-Star
Brad Miller was pretty good. People seem to be forgetting that. I bet in this era he would learn to shoot the three.
AleksandarN
Starter
Never said he wasn't. Trust me I watched him when he was here. Just Jokic is a special player. Look at his advanced stats and how much of a difference he makes when he is on the court. Wasn't there a rumour that Vlade offer cousins for Jokic straight up in the offseason before the trade.
burekijogurt
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Brad was pretty good, but Jokic is showing much more potential. Brad had 3 triple doubles his entire career, Jokic had 10 last season.
Brad's career high in assists was 11, Jokic had 11 or more assists 8 times last season. Brad had 6 30+ pt games total in his best 3 seasons with the Kings, Jokic had 7 last season, etc..
Brad's career high in assists was 11, Jokic had 11 or more assists 8 times last season. Brad had 6 30+ pt games total in his best 3 seasons with the Kings, Jokic had 7 last season, etc..
King Baller
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My point was that in saying Jokic was like a modern Brad Miller is a compliment
IMO Brad was pretty good in his day. I agree Jokic looks like a better assists man. But Brad was no slouch in that area.
IMO Brad was pretty good in his day. I agree Jokic looks like a better assists man. But Brad was no slouch in that area.24 rick barry
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***(I can't be sure what actual say that Vivek has...though I suspect allot and furthermore, I would bet that he and Matina have to approve everything Vlade does)
Last paragraph absolutely untrue. Next years win total will gloss over the real truth. The kings have no reason to tank next year, since we unbelievable gave up next year's number 1. So we will not play the TANK. Instead, we will play ZBO and others, while others do the tank, not for our future but to show us as an up and comer and win as many as we possibly can. This will be to try to vindicate the Coach, ownership, Vlade and his selections. So say we win 34, similar to George Karl and they attempt to re-sell to those season ticket holders who are stuck on existing 3 year contracts. But are we truly any more likely to compete against the upper eshcelon of the NBA. Please remember, with Karl, they sat Boogie, and Rondo, and Rudy for rest so the final record doesn't actually reflect the truthful power ranking win total. However, for next year no reason too, so they will try to win as much as possible, get season ticket holders to renew 3 year club seats. Thus, no need for rest days next year.
PETRIE, WHEN HE WAS ALLOWED THE MONEY, TURNED IT AROUND IN ONE OFF SEASON.
Valde tired to make a team with Rondo, , boogie, bellinelli, koufos. and Rudy. I watched him talking to Vivek. He was diagraming what we needed and what would get us into the playoff picture right away. He failed. Why hire someone with 0 NBA gm experience?
Oh, that's right he can communicate with the players and get along with boogie up until he traded him. Get a grip fellas.
yesterday, I ran into a season ticket holder that I knew from the old, old arena. He told me...that if he has to hear "Rebuild" one more time, that's it. He has old 50% of his tickets last year to one and now selling out part of the remaining piece. I too am tired of the paint on the pig here. Look at the win totals years after year. Tell me when the last time we were even a playoff team. Tell me how Vlade gets us into the top 4 in the NBA. All else, is marketing hype, and drinking the Kool-Aid.
So I go back to my original question.
Is 27 wins fun to watch?
Was for me.
If you're that miserable, there are 29 other teams you could follow. You're tired of the "paint on the pig". Fine. There are a lot of Kings fans who are tired of the constant negativity some fans seem to exude from every pore. Po-tay-to...po-tah-to.
24 rick barry
Bench
My team had 27 wins....the worst win total in the last 6 seasons. And apparently, you are happy with this. Though, I am not.
16 of 30 teams make the playoffs-yet we have missed them for the last 12 years. I miss going to all the playoff games. I miss being in contention. I miss being a championship contender.
When would you expect us to be a championship contender again?
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Lol are you new to being a kings fan? Not trying to be rude, but I’ve been saying this for 33 years. You are setting yourself up for disappointment
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Lol are you new to being a kings fan? Not trying to be rude, but I’ve been saying this for 33 years. You are setting yourself up for disappointment
It's simply about preference. If you are content with being mediocre, I won't bash you for it. I on the other hand want a bit more after waiting for so long, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
You apparently need to work on reading comprehension. She answered your question of whether it was fun to watch, not whether she was happy with the win total. The two are completely different. One can enjoy watching the youth of our team get better, see our rookies be great at winning last-second games, and look forward to Giles joining the team next year and still not be satisfied with the number of wins. I don't know why that is hard to understand. I enjoyed watching the games, too. Doesn't mean I think it was a "successful" season based on our W-L record.
John Galt
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I can't help enjoy the irony because 27 wins wasn't NEARLY BAD ENOUGH for a big piece of the fan base - and they want heads to roll because we won too many games, and it wasn't NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH for another big piece and they want heads to roll because we won too few games.
I enjoyed the 27 wins by the way, because it was one season in a 3 year process (described by coach) and I'm ok with it... not threatening to cancel my tix if they either win too many or too few next year either.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
And those two things are very much related. If the Kings' pick (that goes to Philly) end up in the 11-14 range in the draft next year, losing the pick will at least be bearable. If it's a top 5 pick, that's brutally painful, and defending Divac is going to be difficult, if not impossible. By not having the 2019 #1 pick, the Kings not only subtract the disincentive to lose, but they add a very big incentive to win every last game - Divac's job.
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I don't care. Different fans want different things. I just want to be able to root for my home team and see fun basketball. This year, to me, was fun - especially when the kids were given the reins.
Do I miss the fun of the playoffs? Sometimes, but I certainly don't miss the obnoxious bandwagon fans who all of a sudden popped up out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast. But, maybe that's just me.
I've been a fan of the NBA for over 50 years. Before Sacramento got the Kings, I was a Celtics fan. I saw a lot of winning - from a distance - but I had never been able to experience the feeling of sitting in an arena and rooting for my favorite team until I saw my first Kings game.
I'm not "happy" with the 27 wins, but I understand what's going on. I don't blame the current team for what's happened in the past. Every year brings new hope, new players, new reasons to continue to love the game. To you and a lot of others it's all about the destination. For me, and just as many others, it's about the journey.
In 2015 MLS Timbers were entering September under the playoff line after a 2014 campaign failed to build on early promise in 2013 under new coach Caleb Porter. I saw the situation as hopeless but they won a few surprising games that month and crawled into playoff position. I remember being quite upset because I felt like it wasn't working and the team needed to be blown up and eeking into the playoffs was going to be a pointless exercise and build false confidence.
Since this is a tangent I don't think I'll bother finishing the story but if anyone is interested in how it ends google 2015 MLS championship.
I'm so glad that we don't control our own draft pick in 2019 and I won't hear the the utterly stupid made up words lin or woss for the entire season.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
It will certainly be nice to root for every win, just to see how the team maxes out. It will be a nice break, even for me (a strong proponent of tanking this year)! And yes, Vlade's job likely depends on how next season goes, for better or worse.
I think if they don't get past 35 wins next season he may be let go and certainly playoffs would be the expectation for 2019-2020.
jcassio
Starter
No, no and no. We can't afford to be in the lottery any longer. Everyone except the dreamers are soured by it. If we can improve just enough next year to avoid the lottery, I will consider it a huge success and a step in the right direction. Why would such a season be a disappopintment to any Kings fan, except for those who think we should be tanking indefinitely until we luck out and draft a Simmons or an Embid? Enough, already!
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
they won't have a chance at an Embiid or Simmons type of prospect because they never get a chance to draft in the top 3 so it's all moot. Fact of the matter is, you win with stars in this league on most occasions, the Celtics are showing you can win with a lot of nice young players, not stars, that play together and play solid team defense. It helps that they have an excellent head coach. These are the exceptions however, not the norm.
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