PDA wants fans input for the draft

Sometimes I get the feeling they're looking too hard for the best algorithm to find the star player, when sometimes your eyes might work just as well, if not better.

I think the algorithm is needed to pick the draft team member and your eyes only work if you've seen them all play. For me, I really don't know how spell alto.......... And I have never seen any of them play. For me my best effort would be a dart. But I think we have a lot of talent and well qualified folks on here.
 
Vivek Ranadive should get MVP. I would love for Kingsfans.com to have champions!
Like pshn80 said, they're asking for an algorithm; they'd probably also want a well-written paper. Does anyone know where we can find NBA data that can be imported into excel? I just did a semester of bioinformatics so I'd like to fumble around with it :confused: After our champions submit, the lot of us can blow up twitter and facebook after the deadline!
This also seems like a job interview :)
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Problem is no one is good enough to shine in NBA without massive improvement and for that you need great work ethic. Fans can have some insight, but it's limited to occasional praise by the coach. Then players get a lot of distractions, once they earn pro money, and to keep working on their game, they need strong mental focus. Fans have no access to this information, except for some interviews, where a few players go into minute detail about what they need to work on. Finally you have very athletic guys, who were ready to play in the pros physically, and limit effort, while playing for scholarship money only. Mental side is really underapreciated, though only by fans at this moment - teams started to use psych evaluations some time ago.
 
Problem is no one is good enough to shine in NBA without massive improvement and for that you need great work ethic. Fans can have some insight, but it's limited to occasional praise by the coach. Then players get a lot of distractions, once they earn pro money, and to keep working on their game, they need strong mental focus. Fans have no access to this information, except for some interviews, where a few players go into minute detail about what they need to work on. Finally you have very athletic guys, who were ready to play in the pros physically, and limit effort, while playing for scholarship money only. Mental side is really underapreciated, though only by fans at this moment - teams started to use psych evaluations some time ago.

So....have your equation include number of hours at the gym per week? The number of youtube videos he watched in the offseason for dribbling drills? Or how many times they say "I HATE losing" in interviews their last year in college? ;)
 
Problem is no one is good enough to shine in NBA without massive improvement and for that you need great work ethic. Fans can have some insight, but it's limited to occasional praise by the coach. Then players get a lot of distractions, once they earn pro money, and to keep working on their game, they need strong mental focus. Fans have no access to this information, except for some interviews, where a few players go into minute detail about what they need to work on. Finally you have very athletic guys, who were ready to play in the pros physically, and limit effort, while playing for scholarship money only. Mental side is really underapreciated, though only by fans at this moment - teams started to use psych evaluations some time ago.

Maybe they need someone who is both an analyst and a therapist then... is Tobias Funke available?
 
So....have your equation include number of hours at the gym per week? The number of youtube videos he watched in the offseason for dribbling drills? Or how many times they say "I HATE losing" in interviews their last year in college? ;)
My point is equations are pretty meaningless. You can look for some markers like (off.reb%+steal%+block%) as a way to gauge athleticism, high % finishing at the rim on a good number of possessions is a good indication of length, strength and balance or combination of high release point and quick release is a good way to gauge ability to get their shot off, compare player's level of play against cupcake defenses and tough ones. Problem is most of this is estimation, not precise numbers.

P.S. Is the use of word "ana..apist" allowed on this forum? :p
 
I would not say equations are meaningless, even is evaluating very dynamic phenomenon like basketball. I have used statistical analysis to operationalize fairly complex and dynamic communication events like persuasion, consumer behavior etc. BUT in the case of individual player analysis from differing leagues, and at differing stages of development there is still way too much room for error. They CAN be a very good tool and in the case of deciding between best player available and best fit they certainly can help evaluate HOW good or how good a fit players might be. PDA may will find himself deciding between a consensus pick or reaching down for a better fit.
 
My point is equations are pretty meaningless. You can look for some markers like (off.reb%+steal%+block%) as a way to gauge athleticism, high % finishing at the rim on a good number of possessions is a good indication of length, strength and balance or combination of high release point and quick release is a good way to gauge ability to get their shot off, compare player's level of play against cupcake defenses and tough ones. Problem is most of this is estimation, not precise numbers.

P.S. Is the use of word "ana..apist" allowed on this forum? :p

My point was I was agreeing with your sentiment. :) Apparently the sarcasm failed to come across.
 
Also remember that PDA said his analytics team put together the web site...so obviously analytics are going to be at the center of what they are trying to do.
 
My point is equations are pretty meaningless. You can look for some markers like (off.reb%+steal%+block%) as a way to gauge athleticism, high % finishing at the rim on a good number of possessions is a good indication of length, strength and balance or combination of high release point and quick release is a good way to gauge ability to get their shot off, compare player's level of play against cupcake defenses and tough ones. Problem is most of this is estimation, not precise numbers.

P.S. Is the use of word "ana..apist" allowed on this forum? :p

My take on that analytics is that is can provide you with a pool of players to inspect. Maybe you run the computer numbers on every player that is eligible to draft and it comes up with a couple of hits on players you hadn't considered. But analytics doesn't ultimately determine the player that you choose. You need the eye-test for that.
 
I would not say equations are meaningless, even is evaluating very dynamic phenomenon like basketball. I have used statistical analysis to operationalize fairly complex and dynamic communication events like persuasion, consumer behavior etc. BUT in the case of individual player analysis from differing leagues, and at differing stages of development there is still way too much room for error. They CAN be a very good tool and in the case of deciding between best player available and best fit they certainly can help evaluate HOW good or how good a fit players might be. PDA may will find himself deciding between a consensus pick or reaching down for a better fit.

This is where not knowing the future of our 2nd and 3rd best players really comes back to hurt us. Our team needs drastically change if only Rudy, only IT, neither, or both come back.

Best case scenario for us is Rudy being a pal and letting us know where he stands in being a FA.
 
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