Patterson and what he brings

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Ok lets just focus on what our new PF brings, since whats done is done.... geez guys

Ok i think im in the minority here because i like the move. i think we improved now and moving forward.

it seems everyone here is just speculating that Robinson was being held back by Smart and our terrible coaching. But Robinson looked like his own worst enemy out there... he started off the summer trying to play like a PG by running the ball up the floor. something he still screws up which usually leads to a force at the rim or a TO. he's out of control doing anything other than WIDE open dunking. has no post moves. has an issue with taller NBA sized bigs on both ends. and considering his own size and athleticism gets bullied around too much on both ends... terrible defense... although gets a highlight block here and there...he shoots jumpers too much and at a terrible %, and has mikki moore hands....

i will say this JT took awhile to be a solid role player. I think a more explosive JT is Robinsons ceiling.

so ... WHAT ABOUT PATTERSON:

Hes an established role player which is all Robinson was gonna be in my opinion. He can actually shoot at a solid clip even from 3pt land... which get this guys... before he got here was reserved for only the little midgets or Salmons. So he can spread the floor!!! thats huge!!! it takes a big guy from the other team and draws him away from the basket... basic basketball 101 here. but that means if COUSINS GETS HIS A#@ UNDER THE DAMN BASKET MORE! he will have more room to work with . and since everyone else on this team needs to be in the paint too (minus the midgets) Patterson helps everyone!!! he just fits better with Cousins all around.

AND THERES MORE!!!

this might actually help Cousins mentally... so thats freaking priceless because COUSINS not ROBINSON IS THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM! and if this locks cousins down more and motivates him then well done petrie!
 
Patterson basically brings what you just wrote: spot up shooting and potential chemistry with Cousins. The problem is that these two things, okay I'll add addressing positional need, so those three things are basically what he brings. That's not very much. Downgrades on defense, rebounding, and potential are difficult to stomach, especially after 4 months of playing a number 5 pick.
 
but the problem is, the spacing Patrick Patterson brings means zilch because Cousins will be getting the ball at the elbow 95% of the time with Keith smart here.
 
Patterson is not perfect. That is clear. He also is not useless as a lot of what sactownfan said may turn out to be true especially what he said about TRob. All we can do is speculate about most of this. Patterson can shoot threes. That is helpful as it doesn't seem to be a gimmick like having Cuz shoot threes. He will not get worse at this and might become a very steady three point shooter as he gets older. I am not as upset as I was yesterday because a lot of that upset yesterday had to do with what I perceived as the Maloofs not only sticking it to us with what appeared to be a bad trade but that they enriched themselves.

I am willing to wait this out as I have no options. Patterson will probably be a good rotational bench guy. TRob was probably going to be a starter as the ultimate garbage man. There is nothing wrong with that although I think it is a waste of a #5 pick. I might have said the same about Gerald Wallace. There is no telling how these things will work out.

I like the idea that he sems to be a friend of Cousins. We need all the help we can get with Cuz as if or when Cuz settles into the league, we are very much improved by that. We will have a genuine star. Maybe not a Hall of Famer and maybe not even a regular All Star (I kinda think he'll win the hearts of the voters and show up at a lot of all star games) but definitely in the top 10%.

I'll just throw in that I am much relived no other trade occurred.
 
Smart will not be with the Kings or Sonics or the Grasshoppers so discussing how anyone will fit with Smart is really not very useful. Smart is old news as of April 17.
 
Bricklayer said:
short version: a jumper and a mature offensive game. full stop.
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Which may just be a dream come true for Tyreke on the offensive end. But I doubt Patterson will see much floor time with Tyreke anyway (knowing Smart), he'll probably be out there with MT and Jimmer and Brooks, all trying to see who can score a contested 3 pointer first.
 
in all honesty, Patterson was a starter on a playoff team, T-Rob is undersized and not very skilled. its really not a bad trade, the draft was the problem
 
mac said:
Which may just be a dream come true for Tyreke on the offensive end. But I doubt Patterson will see much floor time with Tyreke anyway (knowing Smart), he'll probably be out there with MT and Jimmer and Brooks, all trying to see who can score a contested 3 pointer first.
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Don't forget Douglas as well, a move which made absolutely no sense when we subsequently didn't move any of the other minichuckers. Remember my thread detailing the absurdley high usage rates amongst our non-Tyreke and hence sub .430 shooting guard/SFs? Well we just traded a guy with one of the lowest usage rates on the team (Cisco) for yet another guy with a career usage rate of 20.8 on 13.9FGA/36.

Say what you want about Smart, but the acquisition of player after player of that ilk falls on Geoff's head, and he can frankly go screw himself right into retirement for all I care at this point You know how many mini-chuckers a good team needs? Well actually maybe ZERO. But at very most ONE. some sort of punchy bench change of pace thoughtless gunner. Our idiots in charge now have FIVE of them stacked up, with Reke having to practically get violent to get the ball out of their hands. Still have a lingering suspicion that knowing how dim, wannabe, and reactive our front office is, that they saw Dallas win the title two years ago (coming out of nowhere mind you, because they weren't that good) with TWO players of that ilk in Terry and Barea, and ever since then they have been on a binge like a young kid trying to imitate daddy without any clue of why it actually worked.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Still have a lingering suspicion that knowing how dim, wannabe, and reactive our front office is, that they saw Dallas win the title two years ago (coming out of nowhere mind you, because they weren't that good) with TWO players of that ilk in Terry and Barea, and ever since then they have been on a binge like a young kid trying to imitate daddy without any clue of why it actually worked.
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Would be the key part to that.
 
Bricklayer said:
Don't forget Douglas as well, a move which made absolutely no sense when we subsequently didn't move any of the other minichuckers. Remember my htread details the asburdley high usage rates amongst our non-Tyreke and hence sub .430 shooting guard/SFs? Well we just traded a guy wiht one of the lowest usage rates on the team (Cisco) for yet another guy with a career usage rate of 20.8 on 13.9FGA/36.

Say what you want about Smart, but the acquisition of player after player of that ilk falls on Geoff's head, and he can frankly go screw himself right into retirement for all I care at this point You know how many mini-chuckers a good team needs? Well actually maybe ZERO. But at very most ONE. some sort of punchy bench change of pace thoughtless gunner. Our idiots in charge now have FIVE of them stacked up, with Reke having to practically get violent to get the ball out of their hands. Still have a lingering suspicion that knowing how dim, wannabe, and reactive our front office is, that they saw Dallas win the title two years ago (coming out of nowhere mind you, because they weren't that good) with TWO players of that ilk in Terry and Barea, and ever since then they have been on a binge like a young kid trying to imitate daddy without any clue of why it actually worked.
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Not to mention that Terry was far better than all our chuckers combined. Dallas was successful because nobody could stop Dirk in the halfcourt, and they played good enough defence to get out in transition, where guys like Barea and Terry are very good. In the halfcourt you'd either have to let Dirk score on you or pass it out to shooters, but the key was having a good post player. Meanwhile in Kings land, no defence is played and... Well you've read that article on Keith Smart not putting Cousins in the low post. What's amusing is that even with Cousins playing outside we somehow don't have open lanes for guys like Evans to make good cuts, because we don't ever set an off ball pick other than for that play with Garcia curling to the Free throw line
 
Supposedly Patrick Patterson is a "good" shooter out to three pt line which has branded him proto-type stretch four. The truth is it's less about being a good shooter than being proto-type streaky. The only big plus is he has very good, fluid, face-up shooting technique, so Patterson could evenually become a quite dangerous mid-range to deep threat - if and when the 22 year old becomes consistent. If not, he will simply be what he is now, a relatively weak rebounding four (compared to T-Rob "right now") who can score, occasionally in bunches, mixing it up inside to defend his position adequately.

I wonder if Patterson's overall skills will quickly dislodge JT to back-up 5 role. I seriously doubt Aldrich is the answer in that spot - since it's Chuck Hayes' job at present. DeMarcus and Patrick up front could prove some of the naysayers wrong about this trade - and I'm still a naysayer at this point.
 
Patterson is no doubt a nice player and should fit well here. As a few have stated, he has a mature offensive game, doesn't turn the ball over and can put it in the hoop with great efficiency. More importantly, he's a guy who knows his role and won't get out of line by ball-hogging. He's a solid post defender as well with being able to defend the PnR and ISO spots at an above average level. I think he will be a better rebounder here as well as Houston's Back-court (Lin, Parsons, Harden) grab 4.6 rebounds more a game than (Reke, IT, Salmons). Also, playing next to Asik who's a top 3 rebounder in the NBA hurts Patterson's rebounding opportunities. It doesn't excuse his poor rebounding, but I'm fairly certain we'll see an improvent in that area from him with us.
 
The_Jamal said:
Well, if he would actually play Cousins in the post where he should be, Patterson is exactly the type of PF we want with Reke and Cousins making their living in the paint
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So does this mean we will move JT to the bench to make our bench way stronger and start Patterson with Reke and Cousins for better floor spacing for the starters?

JT and Thornton off the bench to me is a lot better than Thornton and Patterson imo but yeah, I think he will only bring good value if hes starting with DMC/Reke.
 
I watched the first half of the rockets warriors game the other day last night, just to see a little bit.

runs the floor the very well, very comfortable mid range shot, spent most of his time in the corner, struggled a bit with David Lee, creates a tonne of space for Harden to drive because obviously they're reluctant to move off him. Doesn't seem to worry too much about rebounding as shots go up he looks to run rather than grab the board, but Harden/Asik take a lot of them.

You'd like to think he will open up the floor for Reke and cuz but if he's playing in the second unit i suspect he'll become invisible.
 
I hope that we can now effectively run a 3 man Big Rotation Cuz,JT,Patt with Hayes only replacing Big Cuz for spot minutes when the opposing bench big is 6'9" or less, if opposing player is taller use Cole for a few minutes
I am so tired of seeing bigs just shoot 10 ft jumpers right over Hayes
 
Jkbiker said:
I hope that we can now effectively run a 3 man Big Rotation Cuz,JT,Patt with Hayes only replacing Big Cuz for spot minutes when the opposing bench big is 6'9" or less, if opposing player is taller use Cole for a few minutes
I am so tired of seeing bigs just shoot 10 ft jumpers right over Hayes
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Umm I'm not sure that Patterson is going to be the solution to that
 
mac said:
Not to mention that Terry was far better than all our chuckers combined. Dallas was successful because nobody could stop Dirk in the halfcourt, and they played good enough defence to get out in transition, where guys like Barea and Terry are very good. In the halfcourt you'd either have to let Dirk score on you or pass it out to shooters, but the key was having a good post player. Meanwhile in Kings land, no defence is played and... Well you've read that article on Keith Smart not putting Cousins in the low post. What's amusing is that even with Cousins playing outside we somehow don't have open lanes for guys like Evans to make good cuts, because we don't ever set an off ball pick other than for that play with Garcia curling to the Free throw line
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Additionally, in the half court, you could have 4 veteran guys in the half court to space the floor with Tyson Chandler out there for defensive purposes. All of those 4 were willing and skilled passers. Dirk gets the ball at the elbow and he either scores on you one on one or you double and he kicks it out to the open three point shooter. You close on the open guy, and they swing the ball around the perimeter until it gets to a career 40% 3 point shooter with a wide open look.

Our mini-chuckers don't swing the ball . . . at all. They tend to charge the lane and throw up a shot in traffic. Garcia did. Salmons does, sometimes. Until we get in the mindset that it is better to get an assist than a bucket on this team, we will continue to struggle.
 
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Patterson basically brings what you just wrote: spot up shooting and potential chemistry with Cousins. The problem is that these two things, okay I'll add addressing positional need, so those three things are basically what he brings. That's not very much. Downgrades on defense, rebounding, and potential are difficult to stomach, especially after 4 months of playing a number 5 pick.
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Right now, at the moment, Patterson is a better defender than Robinson. Once again, Robinson has the potential to be a very good defender, but right now, he gets caught out of position on rotations. At times doesn't rotate over to stop the ball when the current center on the floor defends the pick and roll. This isn't about ability, but about BBIQ. Patterson has been in the league going on three years, and knows how to play team defense. He's not a prolific shotblocker, but then neither was Robinson. I'm not defending the trade, but just trying to keep prespective.
 
Glenn said:
Patterson is not perfect. That is clear. He also is not useless as a lot of what sactownfan said may turn out to be true especially what he said about TRob. All we can do is speculate about most of this. Patterson can shoot threes. That is helpful as it doesn't seem to be a gimmick like having Cuz shoot threes. He will not get worse at this and might become a very steady three point shooter as he gets older. I am not as upset as I was yesterday because a lot of that upset yesterday had to do with what I perceived as the Maloofs not only sticking it to us with what appeared to be a bad trade but that they enriched themselves.

I am willing to wait this out as I have no options. Patterson will probably be a good rotational bench guy. TRob was probably going to be a starter as the ultimate garbage man. There is nothing wrong with that although I think it is a waste of a #5 pick. I might have said the same about Gerald Wallace. There is no telling how these things will work out.

I like the idea that he sems to be a friend of Cousins. We need all the help we can get with Cuz as if or when Cuz settles into the league, we are very much improved by that. We will have a genuine star. Maybe not a Hall of Famer and maybe not even a regular All Star (I kinda think he'll win the hearts of the voters and show up at a lot of all star games) but definitely in the top 10%.

I'll just throw in that I am much relived no other trade occurred.
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I followed Patterson in college, and one continuing trait he had was he improved every year. Especially his jumpshot. It wasn't until his final year that he got consistent with his three point shot. Since then, he's improved every year he's been in the NBA. He'll never be a star, but he'll be a solid role player, and Sactownfan is right. He'll help spread the floor. Does anyone ever wonder why everytime Cuz gets the ball in the post he's surrounded by two or three opposing players? Its because too damm many Kings players are all hanging around the post, which make it easy for their defenders to just drop off and double on Cuz. There aren't many post players that are successful when they try and fight their way through doubles every time. If you keep track of the times Cuz is successful in the post, its when he's able to isolate on one defender.
 
bajaden said:
I followed Patterson in college, and one continuing trait he had was he improved every year. Especially his jumpshot. It wasn't until his final year that he got consistent with his three point shot. Since then, he's improved every year he's been in the NBA. He'll never be a star, but he'll be a solid role player, and Sactownfan is right. He'll help spread the floor. Does anyone ever wonder why everytime Cuz gets the ball in the post he's surrounded by two or three opposing players? Its because too damm many Kings players are all hanging around the post, which make it easy for their defenders to just drop off and double on Cuz. There aren't many post players that are successful when they try and fight their way through doubles every time. If you keep track of the times Cuz is successful in the post, its when he's able to isolate on one defender.
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I've touched on this and don't agree. This suggest we use Cuz as a post player and all we need is a spacer next to him to help give him more room to operate. That's not how we use Cuz and that's not Smart's system. We don't take advantage of our shooters and use them for spacing for Reke/Cuz, so why all the sudden would that change?

We mostly use Cuz as an iso player, facing up 18ft away with little movement around him. How exactly will Patterson spotted up help that? It's not much different than MT/Jimmer spotted up off the ball watching a Cuz iso 18ft out, elbow extended.

The idea Patterson will provide better spacing for Cuz in the post doesn't coincide with our current system or current use of our players. Do we take advantage of the shooting ability of Mt/Jimmer/Brooks when Reke handles up top, to spread the floor and create lanes? Do we take advantage of MT/Jimmer/Brooks and spread the floor to allow more room for Cuz to operate in the post? No, we don't.

What you're proposing is theory, not practice. In theory Patterson could help Cuz, while in practice, what we currently see from Smart and his system suggests we'll continue seeing Cuz iso's 18ft away with little movement and instead of Patterson spacing for Cuz in the post, we'll instead see Patterson turned into an iso player, as we see with just about our whole roster.
 
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