Pacers want to talk to Artest; Stojakovic 'disrespected'
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DocHolliday
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chelle said:
How can one player destroy you. I mean Indiana has had their issues with Artest and they aren't doing any worse than us. It won't be any worse than now with Garcia starting, which I don't mind. Don't be dramatic.
love_them_kings
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DocHolliday said:
but who's to say we've seen Artest at his worst? It could be worse than Garcia starting, because if things stay status quo Peja is out of here at the end of the season (my opinion-no link) and we get some salary space. If Artest stays and does for us what he has done for Indy (what 34 games in two years WITHOUT serious injuries) that's a lot of money tied up in a player who brings nothing but trouble.
love_them_kings said:
Well said. There's no telling what PR or legal horrors this guy will unleash given enough time. Not to mention simply sucking up cash and not playing due to stupid behavior.
I tell you, if this goes through it will really test the extent to which I am a kings fan, because I am so NOT a fan of Artest. I really do hope that there is a three team deal and someone else comes here instead. The Maloofs consider themselves top notch salesmen. Somehow they think they can put a bow on this guy and package him up so the fans will accept him. I don't think it's going to be that easy. It certainly won't be for me.
Stojakovic 'disrespected'
How is someone from the INDIANA side leaking this causing disrespect to Peja by our organization?
Once the deal was for sure, and Artest was talked to by the maloofs, Peja would have been told. Only then should he have been told. Why tell him otherwise?
Any deal may fall through 99% of the way through, of course a player shouldn't be told until a deal is 100% done.
Peja is whining again....
How is someone from the INDIANA side leaking this causing disrespect to Peja by our organization?
Once the deal was for sure, and Artest was talked to by the maloofs, Peja would have been told. Only then should he have been told. Why tell him otherwise?
Any deal may fall through 99% of the way through, of course a player shouldn't be told until a deal is 100% done.
Peja is whining again....
ReinadelosReys
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The article was just recently updated:
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304942
Updated: Jan. 25, 2006, 2:14 AM ET
Pacers want to talk to Artest; Stojakovic 'disrespected'
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider
Ron Artest has been summoned to a Wednesday morning meeting by the Indiana Pacers, who want to hear from the player himself on whether he is standing in the way of a trade to the Sacramento Kings for Peja Stojakovic, ESPN.com learned Tuesday night.
Artest and his agent. Mark Stevens, were expected to meet Wednesday morning in Indianapolis with team executives Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh with the hopes the trade can be revived.
"In the last month, Ron Artest has been vehemently portrayed in an unflattering manner in the media, specifically in the aftermath of requesting a trade, even after it was made clear that he only spoke out because he believed the Pacers were going to trade him to Sacramento, a place he did not want to go to," Stevens said in a statement Tuesday night. "Now it has become evident that this trade was not merely speculation but something that has been at least discussed for quite some time.
"Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it."
Stevens told ESPN's Greg Anthony that he thought Artest needed a stable situation with strong leadership, and that the uncertainty about both Kings coach Rick Adelman's future and the Kings' future in Sacramento indicated a lack of stability that would be uncomfortable for Artest.
Likewise, National Basketball Players Association ...
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304942
Updated: Jan. 25, 2006, 2:14 AM ET
Pacers want to talk to Artest; Stojakovic 'disrespected'
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider
Ron Artest has been summoned to a Wednesday morning meeting by the Indiana Pacers, who want to hear from the player himself on whether he is standing in the way of a trade to the Sacramento Kings for Peja Stojakovic, ESPN.com learned Tuesday night.
Artest and his agent. Mark Stevens, were expected to meet Wednesday morning in Indianapolis with team executives Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh with the hopes the trade can be revived.
"In the last month, Ron Artest has been vehemently portrayed in an unflattering manner in the media, specifically in the aftermath of requesting a trade, even after it was made clear that he only spoke out because he believed the Pacers were going to trade him to Sacramento, a place he did not want to go to," Stevens said in a statement Tuesday night. "Now it has become evident that this trade was not merely speculation but something that has been at least discussed for quite some time.
"Ron Artest did not want to be traded to Sacramento weeks ago, and he does not want to be traded to Sacramento now. Basketball is Ron Artest's passion. In order for Ron to fully demonstrate his natural skills and abilities, to the best of his abilities, he not only must be in an environment that is conducive to his growth an development as a player, he must also ensure that his family is happy and content as well. Ron does not believe that will be the case if he were in Sacramento. Period. However, as mentioned earlier, Ron is deeply committed to the sport of basketball and desperately misses playing the game he loves. If the trade is made he will play for his new team, regardless of how he may feel about it."
Stevens told ESPN's Greg Anthony that he thought Artest needed a stable situation with strong leadership, and that the uncertainty about both Kings coach Rick Adelman's future and the Kings' future in Sacramento indicated a lack of stability that would be uncomfortable for Artest.
Likewise, National Basketball Players Association ...
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Packt
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kennadog said:
It's already happening now. The team is slipping and more and more people are wondering why the organization isn't doing more. The questions about Peja are already popping up. Peja isn't going to generate the same kind of explosive reaction, but that is a problem in itself. The criticism is that he is soft and can't carry a team of this caliber. If he walks or is given a big contract (numbers are up for debate as far as talent and need is concern) I'll be pissed, as would other fans. It's about the contract and the ability to bide yourself time to work things out that interests me about Artest. I think that's how we should all look at it.
Really, if we wanted Peja, we could still go after him in the off-season. The chances of us signing him can't be any worse than they are now.
Losing isn’t good for anything. (maybe for getting high draft picks, but we suck at that, too.
)When a player says it’s time to move on, I think it is time to move on.
sidenote: tell Artest's people to shut the f up.
Vlad
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I just watched a Jim Gray report on ESPN, and Jim basically said that while Sacramento is not Artest's first choice, he will probably agree to play there. So, should we take him even though he might not be happy here? I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I think Petrie's hand is forced to trade Peja now...
JJ22L
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Packt said:It's already happening now. The team is slipping and more and more people are wondering why the organization isn't doing more. The questions about Peja are already popping up. Peja isn't going to generate the same kind of explosive reaction, but that is a problem in itself. The criticism is that he is soft and can't carry a team of this caliber. If he walks or is given a big contract (numbers are up for debate as far as talent and need is concern) I'll be pissed, as would other fans. It's about the contract and the ability to bide yourself time to work things out that interests me about Artest. I think that's how we should all look at it.
Really, if we wanted Peja, we could still go after him in the off-season. The chances of us signing him can't be any worse than they are now.
Losing isn’t good for anything. (maybe for getting high draft picks, but we suck at that, too.
When a player says it’s time to move on, I think it is time to move on.
sidenote: tell Artest's people to shut the f up.
LOL word
love_them_kings said:
That would be considered withdrawing the trade request, in my humble opinion. It still doesn't erase what he said, how he said it, and who he said it to.
I don't think the Kings meant for him to find out the way he did. I think it was more that the new got leaked - obviously prematurely - and Peja found out about it the wrong way. But I don't think that you can blame Petrie or the Maloofs for that. Blame the Indy leak.
goggles99 said:How is someone from the INDIANA side leaking this causing disrespect to Peja by our organization?
Once the deal was for sure, and Artest was talked to by the maloofs, Peja would have been told. Only then should he have been told. Why tell him otherwise?
Any deal may fall through 99% of the way through, of course a player shouldn't be told until a deal is 100% done.
Peja is whining again....
No, Peja wasn't whining. He was ambushed in the tunnel at Wachovia Center while waiting to rejoin the team to get on the bus for New York, after spending most of the day thinking he had been traded to the Pacers, saying good-bye to friends and teammates, etc. and making plans to return to Sacramento. Then he found out, via TV, that the deal was off. That WAS disrespectful, plain and simple.
You want Peja in the dark but the Maloofs to talk to Artest? And that's fair by what standard exactly?
Peja WAS disrespected. He should have been told about the ongoing problems as they were occurring.
jon e - As a matter of fact, Peja's agent had made an attempt at a trade request with Petrie two summers ago and was rebuffed, saying it wasn't the right time or something to that effect. They were hoping to allow a little time to pass to let things cool down. When Peja went to the media, it was AFTER his agent's overture had been rejected.
Stojakovic
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Superman said:
By your reasoning then supe, we should never forget the things that happened between Webb and this franchise in his contract years, where he openly said that he's bored in Sacramento and that he's debating whether he should stay here or go to a team which can win the championship. In the end he was traded and obviously upset - but why would he be ... he never wanted to stay, right ?
My point ... Peja's trade demand is a year old, and he has changed his mind since then. Recently he even said the same thing Webb said before he was traded - he loves Sac and he'd like to retire here.
foretaz
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at this point i gotta think ron wont be a king...
i really think that the kings ownership and management know better....
ron is a handful, even if hes completely content....
if deep down he doesnt really wanna be there, that seems like asking for trouble....
not if, but only when....and this comes from a fan of rons...
ron needs the best case scenario to have a realistic chance of overcoming his demons....
if he doesnt feel like that is in sacramento, then its probably futile...
now ron could be talked into by the maloofs...im sure of that...
but i cant help but think theyre too smart for that....cause sooner or later, reality will set in, and then ur doomed....
or maybe they figure its worth the rest of the season and then trade him this summer before things have a chance to get too bad....
considering the situation with peja, it might be a viable exit strategy....
though i still think its highly unlikely....
i really think that the kings ownership and management know better....
ron is a handful, even if hes completely content....
if deep down he doesnt really wanna be there, that seems like asking for trouble....
not if, but only when....and this comes from a fan of rons...
ron needs the best case scenario to have a realistic chance of overcoming his demons....
if he doesnt feel like that is in sacramento, then its probably futile...
now ron could be talked into by the maloofs...im sure of that...
but i cant help but think theyre too smart for that....cause sooner or later, reality will set in, and then ur doomed....
or maybe they figure its worth the rest of the season and then trade him this summer before things have a chance to get too bad....
considering the situation with peja, it might be a viable exit strategy....
though i still think its highly unlikely....
BawLa
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JJ22L said:
LOL. Naw i'm ENVE. I go to cal poly tho, so we have pretty high standards for engineering classes. There is a 62% fail rate for that class at one of the top engineering schools in the country. Ouch and double ouch. Be stoked that your school isn't that nuts. I thought organic chemistry was easier.
Stojakovic said:
That was about nothing more than leverage in a contract year. It's not the same thing. He never asked to be traded. He simply said that he would explore his options. Just like every other free agent does. Tim Duncan did it. Jason Kidd did it. Kobe Bryant did it. Michael Redd did it. But there's no question about where those players' loyalties lie, and there's no sense wondering whether they want to be traded or not. Same with Chris Webber.
Difference between them and Peja is that he was NOT a free agent, did not come out and say "I don't want to be traded" until recently, apparently, and it is NOT obvious that his loyalties lie with Sacramento. Not before reading what he said to the Bee. It's been openly debated for months now whether he'd wind up staying in Sacramento after this season or not.
Now I don't think that the best way for him to find out about the situation is through the media or anyone else aside from Kings management, but he can't be surprised that he got traded. No one else is.
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LakerN49erChick05
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Peja was disrespected. He always seems like a nice dude... i feel bad for him. I have a feeling the trade may happen. If not, either my Lakers or the Clips will grab artest
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