Ostertag....

[PFFFT!!]

I learned to like the guy and he plays the part of team jester, but talk about a bad pickup. There have only been a couple of games where he has been effective, but nowhere to be found. Now we are deep in big guys and hes deeper down the bench. Kinda wish we can eat his contract or anything. GP and Alan Henderson are FAs. I think we still need some sort of veteran on this team. Any opinions?

 

[HndsmCelt]

I learned to like the guy and he plays the part of team jester, but talk about a bad pickup. There have only been a couple of games where he has been effective, but nowhere to be found. Now we are deep in big guys and hes deeper down the bench. Kinda wish we can eat his contract or anything. GP and Alan Henderson are FAs. I think we still need some sort of veteran on this team. Any opinions?

Tag sort of eat his own contract. He played well early this season and looked like he might mesh when he broke his hand. Then spent his time out scarfing junk food and fishing instead of running and doing what he could to take care of him self. Since comming back he is just out of shape and slugish even by O Tag standards... maybe he will shape up by April... I hope so beceause in the slow grinders he is the ticket afainst the truely big men in NBA. As for GP or Henderson not sure either or them are going to make much difference in Sac, but their vet minimum for 1/2 season will not break anyones bank. Hve either of thembeen officlay bought out yet?

 

[Rowdyone]

This is OT but I'm confused how a team can trade someone to another team and if and when that team waives that player than can go back to their old team as a FA???
Doesn't seem kosher to me. The player should have to pass through waivers of all NBA teams before the trading team can sign him. My two cents, anyway.

 

[iheartBrad]

i really just don't know what to say about GO....

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is OT but I'm confused how a team can trade someone to another team and if and when that team waives that player than can go back to their old team as a FA???
Doesn't seem kosher to me. The player should have to pass through waivers of all NBA teams before the trading team can sign him. My two cents, anyway.

A traded player can't be waived unless it's a 2nd round pick at the start of the season. At this point people are speculating that GP will have his contract bought out which thne frees himup to sign wiith another team.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Hve either of thembeen officlay bought out yet?

Alan Henderson has been released already. GP should be sometime this afternoon. He's interested in Boston, and Phoenix and Miami are pitching for him.

 

[G_M]

Tag does not seem to be in shape. However, Skinner is smallish to play against the bigger centers in the league. So, Tag may still get some minutes.

I agree that he just does not seem to be in shape. Even if he provides no offense it would be nice if he could up and down the court, play some D, rebound, and clog the middle.

Henderson may end up back with Dallas.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Tag does not seem to be in shape. However, Skinner is smallish to play against the bigger centers in the league. So, Tag may still get some minutes.

I agree that he just does not seem to be in shape. Even if he provides no offense it would be nice if he could up and down the court, play some D, rebound, and clog the middle.

Henderson may end up back with Dallas.

There should be a rule in the nba. This GP back to Boston and Henderson back to Dallas sounds like a little "corruption" to me. Why couldnt we do the same with Ostertag? Trade him for someone else, perhaps a decent bench PG, and then have the other team eat the contract, then resign him for less or something. *sigh*

 

[SacTownKid]

In the playoffs we will need this guy. Defense is allowed to get more aggresive then.

 

[Ryle]

This is OT but I'm confused how a team can trade someone to another team and if and when that team waives that player than can go back to their old team as a FA???
Doesn't seem kosher to me. The player should have to pass through waivers of all NBA teams before the trading team can sign him. My two cents, anyway.

Actually they do have to pass through waivers. Only teams with room under the salary cap or trade excpetions can claim them since these guys are not under minimum contracts. Henderson makes about 8 million and Payton about 5.5 million and no one will won't to pay this. More than likely both Dallas and Boston paid some cash to the teams that took these guys in trades to buy them out(all legal by the way) and the only reason these players were in the deals were to make the salaries even out.

Speaking of that......I seriously don't think Atlanta will be able to win another game this entire year(I really can't wait to see them take on New Orleans!!!)

 

[kperica]

There should be a rule in the nba. This GP back to Boston and Henderson back to Dallas sounds like a little "corruption" to me. Why couldnt we do the same with Ostertag? Trade him for someone else, perhaps a decent bench PG, and then have the other team eat the contract, then resign him for less or something. *sigh*

It is "corruption"; the CBA protects against off-the-table agreements - Joe Smith had the most famous case. But the wording is vague and the NBA does not enforce it; Smith and the T-wolves mistake was that they put the agreement in writing. So if someone gets traded and negiotiates a buyout, he can just go through the motions of looking at other teams and resign with his old one if that was the idea all along - he just shouldn't write it down or go on ESPN and proclaim that's his plan.
We could do it with O-tag - but who would do that, and why? Just to be nice?

 

[PFFFT!!]

It is "corruption"; the CBA protects against off-the-table agreements - Joe Smith had the most famous case. But the wording is vague and the NBA does not enforce it; Smith and the T-wolves mistake was that they put the agreement in writing. So if someone gets traded and negiotiates a buyout, he can just go through the motions of looking at other teams and resign with his old one if that was the idea all along - he just shouldn't write it down or go on ESPN and proclaim that's his plan.
We could do it with O-tag - but who would do that, and why? Just to be nice?

This absolutely SUCKS. You overpay a guy, trade him for someone thats better, then get that same guy at a bargain price just because he knows the system and is established in that city already. BS. Sorry about the vent.

 

[SIR HENRY 8]

honestly,what ARE we going to do with the Tag?I like the guy,like his sence of humor,and big presense,but offencively man hes killing me.Thats why he's not playing much i guess.I dont expect to see him in a KINGS UNI.for long.

 

[NJKingsFan]

honestly,what ARE we going to do with the Tag?I like the guy,like his sence of humor,and big presense,but offencively man hes killing me.Thats why he's not playing much i guess.I dont expect to see him in a KINGS UNI.for long.

It's his own fault. If Osterfat was serious about wanting to win and help the team, he'd find the time to work his fat a$$ into shape. His lack of commitment is very disgraceful. He should put on a ski mask to get his paycheck b/c he's stealing from the team.

 

[Blazed & Confused]

Could be worse. We could have Vlade's bad back and over paid contract.

 

[Gary]

It has a lot to do with the lack of "REALLY BIG" men in the league.. Seems the league has gotten a bit quicker, and smaller so really big guys w/o huge skills i.e. OSTERTAG wont get much time anywhere. I can only think of a few guys that would get time.. Shaq, and Ilgauskis.

 

[HndsmCelt]

It's his own fault. If Osterfat was serious about wanting to win and help the team, he'd find the time to work his fat a$$ into shape. His lack of commitment is very disgraceful. He should put on a ski mask to get his paycheck b/c he's stealing from the team.

Karl Malone is that you?

 

[PixelPusher]

Tag sort of eat his own contract.

LOL, not THAT'S funny.

 

[NJKingsFan]

Karl Malone is that you?

That's pretty funny. I'm being honest, not trying to sugarcoat anything. The guy is practically a liability and it's his own fault. Don't you agree?

 

[VF21]

It's his own fault. If Osterfat was serious about wanting to win and help the team, he'd find the time to work his fat a$$ into shape. His lack of commitment is very disgraceful. He should put on a ski mask to get his paycheck b/c he's stealing from the team.

NJKingsFAn - One of the great things about Kingsfans.com is we come here and discuss the team, the shortfailings, the highlights, etc. One of the greater things about it is that we do it without player bashing, name calling, etc. It's not the way most boards may be run, but it's the way we're run and we like it that way.

Greg Ostertag is a member of the Sacramento Kings. His name is Ostertag, not Osterfat. It's a subtle distinction but one that shows we will respect the members of our team even if we're being critical of them.

In Greg's defense, he hasn't had much reason to hope he'd see much court time. He should be in game trim, however, and I suspect after what happened the other night, that fact is going to be made painfully clear to him.

 

[Elektrik]

I learned to like the guy and he plays the part of team jester, but talk about a bad pickup. There have only been a couple of games where he has been effective, but nowhere to be found. Now we are deep in big guys and hes deeper down the bench. Kinda wish we can eat his contract or anything. GP and Alan Henderson are FAs. I think we still need some sort of veteran on this team. Any opinions?

Osterwho?????

 

[AriesMar27]

It's nice that you criticize my namecalling in defense of a player who obviously doesn't take his job seriously. I think it's an insult to the Kings and their fans that this "professional athlete" can't get in decent shape.

i live in los angeles..... so i know, you dont have to be in shape to win. shaq would be hooked up to respirators during timeouts and the sweat....... the man would pour buckets.... but he would muscle his way through the defense because of his weight and the fact that he had that killer instinct, something that no one on this team has. except maybe bibby.... thats why i get mad when they dont blow teams out. they dont have the mentality to win, and ostertag wont apply himself because he doesnt have to, he doesnt need to be in better shape to play sporadically for 10-15 minues a game.... 3 or 4 minutes per qtr, he just needs to apply himself.... but he is a king now so he wont rebound or play defense....

 

[War Eagle King]

... but he is a king now so he wont rebound or play defense....

One of the funniest things I've read in quite some time....

 

[Peja2005]

ostertag is quite good on defence. just needs to lose a bit of weight which could make him a better player

 

[HndsmCelt]

ostertag is quite good on defence. just needs to lose a bit of weight which could make him a better player

well lets be honest and not understate the situation. Tag needs to drop more than a bit of weight. As for being a good defender again he is fairly one diminionsal. He fills the pant, he blcoks/alters shots and is one ofthe toughest centers in theNBA to post up against. BUT he has no ablity to gaurad out side shooters, moves at glacial speeds both up and down the court and even side to side in the paint. So against a team that is trying to run or in a offense that is running this is just not the guy you wnat out there, but in a 1/2 court setting against centers with no out side shot... he is the man.

 

[Crackerman]

Is squirrel fattening???

 

[Blazed & Confused]

ostertag is quite good on defence. just needs to lose a bit of weight which could make him a better player

We sent the big O, not Ostertag to fat camp a few years ago.


Remember Oliver Miller?

Ostertag to fat camp!