Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

Oh come on now. You're smart enough to recognize a certain ridiculous pattern to your suggestions I'm sure. Just silly.
 
Bricklayer said:
Oh come on now. You're smart enough to recognize a certain ridiculous pattern to your suggestions I'm sure. Just silly.

Yeah, there may be a pattern, but I also think it's the better lineup.

I am allowed to hold an opinion, right?
 
Playmaker: Garnett actually played SF in his earlier years. He is more of a PF/SF than a PF/C. He'd have a hard time defending the stronger Cs.
 
BMiller52 said:
Playmaker: Garnett actually played SF in his earlier years. He is more of a PF/SF than a PF/C. He'd have a hard time defending the stronger Cs.

Like who?

There just aren't many "strong centers" that are worth a damn. The really strong ones are mainly just defensive monsters and the gifted offensive centers are either dying of old age or 6'10" PFs parading about as a center.

Brad Miller has enough problems trying to contain each and every center in the league. I fail to believe that Garnett would fare worse.
 
Dude, Jermaine O'neal gets worn out playing C. So would Garnett, it doesn't matter if the other centers are good but as long as they bang it takes a toll on the player playing out of position. It's not going to work, if it was the TWolves wouldn't have played Olowoworthless when he was there.
 
BMiller52 said:
Dude, Jermaine O'neal gets worn out playing C. So would Garnett, it doesn't matter if the other centers are good but as long as they bang it takes a toll on the player playing out of position. It's not going to work, if it was the TWolves wouldn't have played Olowoworthless when he was there.

True.

Not that any of this conjecture really matters - since we wouldn't get KG for that ... or any other package.

I still think KG is not a fix-all, no matter who we have in our current lineup playing alongside him. He's a cap-killer.
 
BMiller52 said:
Playmaker: Garnett actually played SF in his earlier years. He is more of a PF/SF than a PF/C. He'd have a hard time defending the stronger Cs.


He's quite a physical specimen (ie stud). Who does he have trouble with a big Shaq? Anyways I'd like to see him and Brad playing together. With Ron being our SF, KG our PF, Brad our C. However getting Garnett will not be practical and tear any team to shreads for years to come to assemble enough players to trade for him. We are very close right now. Hopefully we can get a player that is decent now, but kind of an unknown or unproven at the moment. Going after KG would rip us apart, I know we aren't an elite team now, but we are getting close with what Ron, Bonzi, Brad, Bibby bring. We are 1 big guy away.
 
The cap can be killed with that team. Luxury tax be damned, we'd be contenders. And starting Reef in that lineup is just silly.

And for the three-team deal above, I like. But the Knicks are still hesitant to deal Frye, no?
 
LPKingsFan said:
And for the three-team deal above, I like. But the Knicks are still hesitant to deal Frye, no?

One thing I've learned is never underestimate the stupidity of Isiah Thomas.
 
playmaker0017 said:
True.

Not that any of this conjecture really matters - since we wouldn't get KG for that ... or any other package.

I still think KG is not a fix-all, no matter who we have in our current lineup playing alongside him. He's a cap-killer.

Gimme that cap-killing problem any day! ;)
 
I have a funny feeling Garnett is going to end up on the Lakers. Maybe not this year, but the offseason perhaps. As pissed as I would be to see a Kobe/Garnett tandem, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. The league would pee their pants to see that happen. A marketing dream, and Philip would be in heaven, and I would be in hell.
 
LoungeLizard said:
I have a funny feeling Garnett is going to end up on the Lakers. Maybe not this year, but the offseason perhaps. As pissed as I would be to see a Kobe/Garnett tandem, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. The league would pee their pants to see that happen. A marketing dream, and Philip would be in heaven, and I would be in hell.

I personally doubt Kobe's ability to co-exist with another superstar of KG's level. I don't think KG will end up there.
 
Wuster said:
I personally doubt Kobe's ability to co-exist with another superstar of KG's level. I don't think KG will end up there.

I Disagree, KG is probably the only superstar to coexist with that selfish little turd. KG is about as unselfish as they come. All the guy cares about is winning. He will have no problem working the triangle and helping Kobe get incredible looks. He loves to pass the ball. He will draw doubles consistently which will leave Kobe open. Believe me, I pray this never happens, but I was just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Emperor Stern would love to see the Laker get a guy like KG to go with Kobe and bring the Lakers back on top.
 
You guys can say you want the cap-killing problem until you are blue in the face.

You can't win without a full staff. Plus resigning guys like Artest, Martin, Garcia ... impossible.
 
I am blue in the face. I am also not so naive as to think KG can do it alone. The wolves are a good example of that.
 
KG wouldn't be alone... with Miller, Artest, SAR, Martin and Garcia...
All will be under contract through 2008.

Now I'm to think it's going to be done. But I'm also not blind as to see that it could pay huge dividends if--in spite of the one in a million chances--it went down.
 
LPKingsFan said:
KG wouldn't be alone... with Miller, Artest, SAR, Martin and Garcia...
All will be under contract through 2008.

Now I'm to think it's going to be done. But I'm also not blind as to see that it could pay huge dividends if--in spite of the one in a million chances--it went down.

One in a million? Try ONE IN A BILLION.. sorry, though I would LOVE to see K.G here it will not happen.
 
atxrocker said:
One in a million? Try ONE IN A BILLION.. sorry, though I would LOVE to see K.G here it will not happen.

I don't think KG is untouchable. His contract is TERRIBLE and hurts his team.

Now I think Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Kobe, and Amare are probally the only untouchable players in the league. Dwight Howard is close company, Yao is as well. I don't think Duncan is untouchable anymore, although he's close (he's probally untouchable). I lean less towards Duncan due to his age.

I bet if you give the right offer you can get anyone on the Kings and a number of teams (especially the Knicks).

Almost noone is free from being traded in any sport given the right situation.

If we some how high balled minne (doubt we'd ever do it) offering multiple first round picks on top of some of our better players (miller and bibby for instance), I'm betting they'd give us KG. KG is much older than the players I last mentioned on top of having a salary that kills a team on top of really having not much success as he should have being arguably a top 3 player in the league.
 
bigbadred00 said:
I don't think KG is untouchable. His contract is TERRIBLE and hurts his team.

Now I think Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Kobe, and Amare are probally the only untouchable players in the league. Dwight Howard is close company, Yao is as well. I don't think Duncan is untouchable anymore, although he's close (he's probally untouchable). I lean less towards Duncan due to his age.

I bet if you give the right offer you can get anyone on the Kings and a number of teams (especially the Knicks).

Almost noone is free from being traded in any sport given the right situation.

If we some how high balled minne (doubt we'd ever do it) offering multiple first round picks on top of some of our better players (miller and bibby for instance), I'm betting they'd give us KG. KG is much older than the players I last mentioned on top of having a salary that kills a team on top of really having not much success as he should have being arguably a top 3 player in the league.

I do think K.G IS untouchable to US. If there were a way to obtain him, I would not be against doing so.
 
Can we just stop with the KG stuff? It is obvious it isn't going to happen. The wolves suck and it is near the trade deadline, but he is still not on the block and hasn't demanded a trade(only way he would be traded).
 
If you're not dreaming about KG, fine. If you don't want to discuss it, fine. But don't expect the dream to go away...

And you don't know if he's "on the block" or if he has privately gone (yes, some players actually do these things PRIVATELY) to the TWolves and said he wouldn't be adverse to a trade...

The KG stuff will not, most likely, stop until he either signs a deal so big no one else could touch it (like something the Knicks have a proclivity for) OR he retires...
 
starks said:
bibby, artest, martin, thomas, for nash, diaw and k.thomas...NOW...

I realize you're being sarcastic about trades that won't happen, but why would you even say that? Nash is good, but you're just handing the Suns the best team in the NBA.
 
captain bill said:
I realize you're being sarcastic about trades that won't happen, but why would you even say that? Nash is good, but you're just handing the Suns the best team in the NBA.

Outside of Artest they don't get too much.

The Suns were terrible without Nash. They'd be terrible without him or Diaw actually setting up teammates.

Bibby, Artest, Thomas, Martin are good for a crap record.

Nash would carry this team.

The only downside would be the loss of Artest. But, Diaw is an up and comer... and Bonzi knows how to play the 2.
 
I'm not sarcastic...I just hate this grab/hold defence and SLOW/isolation/no movement/no fast break/selfish offence.... btw artest wouldn't be loss.... has not going to stay in sac more than year anyway
 
starks said:
I'm not sarcastic...I just hate this grab/hold defence and SLOW/isolation/no movement/no fast break/selfish offence.... btw artest wouldn't be loss.... has not going to stay in sac more than year anyway

says who? just like Webber was going to leave for NY. people like it in Sacto. The fans are the best, owners are great. artest might not stay here forever, but neither was Peja who was gone after the end of the year.

artest seems happy so far.

has nash won anything either? didn't the kings destroy the mavs every year in the playoffs when the had nash barring the webber getting hurt year. nash is great and all, but i think there are better ways. i don't think nash is movable anyways.

if you don't like the new king team, you better start becoming a suns fan b/c i don't see the kings with their current outfit ever returning to the old ways.

without Webber or Vlade running and gunning it, we're not going to run the princeton offence we all loved. the group of guys we have just won't allow it.

as we've found out (although we definitely got close) without better than average D, your never going to win a title. with amare back, they might have a chance in PHX this year. but I wouldn't bet on it (bet on SA, Dal or Detroit, most likely detroit). you can't win in the NBA without pretty damn good D. Princeton is pretty but was never going to win it, sadly.
 
starks said:
I'm not sarcastic...I just hate this grab/hold defence and SLOW/isolation/no movement/no fast break/selfish offence.... btw artest wouldn't be loss.... has not going to stay in sac more than year anyway

Okay, so we give the Suns the lineup of Bibby/Bell/Artest/Marion/Stoudemire with Kenny Thomas and Kevin Martin coming off the bench. We get Nash/Bonzi/Diaw/SAR/Miller with Kurt Thomas off bench (or Nash/Bonzi/Diaw/Miller/Thomas SAR bench). We become the Suns lite. The Suns become the Pistons on steroids (Stoudemire>BWallace, Marion=RWallace, Artest>>>>Prince, Bell<Prince, Bibby=Billups). Nash won't carry any team to a championship. He can make a really good regular season team, but will only go as far as his supporting cast (imagine putting him up for MVP in Dallas). And we give him a pretty aweful supporting cast.
 
with or without artest and bunch of solid players we will not win a title.....we will play ugly and we'll be team that nobody like to watch....we need superstar player, leader who plays on both ends....btw defence is overrated....
 
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