OKC/SPURS/Sac 3 team Trade Idea

[LongLiveIverson]

Deal with 2 of the most successful teams in the Western Conference. It's no secret that Dejuan Blair is disgruntled in SAS. They opted with Boris Diaw during the playoffs to stretch the floor with Splitter/Duncan. He has publicly voiced his frustration and is most likely getting traded as the Spurs aren't going to let him just get away in free agency.

Eric Maynor is a great role player, pass first game manager. With Harden gone the writing is on the wall, he is almost surely getting moved before he leaves in free agency. He deserves more than 15mpg the Thunder can give him, they already have Reggie Jackson waiting in the wings to replace him as the main backup to Westbrook.

Marcus Thornton can score buckets but honestly I see him basically as a JR Smith clone. Even look at their stats Smith would easily average 19ppg throughout any year in his career given 36mpg. He doesn't play team basketball, chucks up every shot he can, and does't play any defense. He can shoot you in and out of games, but with two talented bigs who need touches it would be best if he moved on.

Kings Give up - Marcus Thornton, Jimmer Fredette
Receive - Danny Green, Eric Maynor, OKC 2nd

The Jimmer experiment just isn't going to work. NBA scouts recently stated they could see him in Europe in a year or two. Might be a little harsh, but it's no secret he makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen..When Tyreke calls you out for defensive effort you know its bad. If hes going to thrive its not going to be in Sacramento. In Danny Green you get a lockdown glue guy, fell in love with him watching him shutdown CP3 in the playoffs in the 4th quarter. Like Thornton he can stretch the floor to compliment Cousins and Reke with his outside shooting. Eric Maynor is the perfect compliment to Reke/Thomas. Unlike IT he's a pure pass first guard. He can shoot from behind the arc and eventually develop into successful starter. OKC 2nd is most likley to be in the 59-60 range..we all know how valuable those are!

Spurs Give up- Dejuan Blair, Danny Green
Get - Marcus Thornton

Behind Kawai Leonard and with Stephon Jackson, and with Manu in the fold the Spurs could afford to sacrifice a less talented Leonard clone in Green. In return they get some added fire power to their offense. Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, Gary Neal, Thornton, Stephen Jackson. That's some serious offensive and defensive depth next to Duncan and Splitter. Makes them much more dangerous come playoff time.

OKC Give up - Eric Maynor, 2nd rounder
Receive - Dejuan Blair, Jimmer Fredette

OKC comes out like a bandit in this deal. Get a low post bully to spell Ibaka and Perkins..a big who actually knows how to put a ball in the hoop. Jimmer is basically a flyer like what there doing with Thabeet. Could turn him into the next Steve Kerr lol

 

[mac]

Deal with 2 of the most successful teams in the Western Conference. It's no secret that Dejuan Blair is disgruntled in SAS. They opted with Boris Diaw during the playoffs to stretch the floor with Splitter/Duncan. He has publicly voiced his frustration and is most likely getting traded as the Spurs aren't going to let him just get away in free agency.

Eric Maynor is a great role player, pass first game manager. With Harden gone the writing is on the wall, he is almost surely getting moved before he leaves in free agency. He deserves more than 15mpg the Thunder can give him, they already have Reggie Jackson waiting in the wings to replace him as the main backup to Westbrook.

Marcus Thornton can score buckets but honestly I see him basically as a JR Smith clone. Even look at their stats Smith would easily average 19ppg throughout any year in his career given 36mpg. He doesn't play team basketball, chucks up every shot he can, and does't play any defense. He can shoot you in and out of games, but with two talented bigs who need touches it would be best if he moved on.

Kings Give up - Marcus Thornton, Jimmer Fredette
Receive - Danny Green, Eric Maynor, OKC 2nd

The Jimmer experiment just isn't going to work. NBA scouts recently stated they could see him in Europe in a year or two. Might be a little harsh, but it's no secret he makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen..When Tyreke calls you out for defensive effort you know its bad. If hes going to thrive its not going to be in Sacramento. In Danny Green you get a lockdown glue guy, fell in love with him watching him shutdown CP3 in the playoffs in the 4th quarter. Like Thornton he can stretch the floor to compliment Cousins and Reke with his outside shooting. Eric Maynor is the perfect compliment to Reke/Thomas. Unlike IT he's a pure pass first guard. He can shoot from behind the arc and eventually develop into successful starter. OKC 2nd is most likley to be in the 59-60 range..we all know how valuable those are!

Spurs Give up- Dejuan Blair, Danny Green
Get - Marcus Thornton

Behind Kawai Leonard and with Stephon Jackson, and with Manu in the fold the Spurs could afford to sacrifice a less talented Leonard clone in Green. In return they get some added fire power to their offense. Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, Gary Neal, Thornton, Stephen Jackson. That's some serious offensive and defensive depth next to Duncan and Splitter. Makes them much more dangerous come playoff time.

OKC Give up - Eric Maynor, 2nd rounder
Receive - Dejuan Blair, Jimmer Fredette

OKC comes out like a bandit in this deal. Get a low post bully to spell Ibaka and Perkins..a big who actually knows how to put a ball in the hoop. Jimmer is basically a flyer like what there doing with Thabeet. Could turn him into the next Steve Kerr lol

Umm... you are seriously undervaluing Thornton. We get the worst deal out of the 3 teams in this trade. I also don't know who the "2 talented bigs" that need touches are on our team. You want to trade Thornton away so we can get the ball to one of Chuck Hayes/Robinson/JT more on offense??

 

[LongLiveIverson]

Thornton is honestly a 6th man heat up microwave player. Will never be anything better than a 4th option on a really good team..JR Smith, Jamal Crawford. In Green and Maynor your getting two guys who can help us actually play as a team..something we havn't seen in years. Thornton is an impressive scorer but all we have is players who look with their head down and worry about their own shot. Tyreke is way more talented than Thornton. Green is great perimeter defender and can pop the 3, allows Reke to move back to the 2 and have a full season to prove his worth at a more natural position. Think Denver..Gallinari, Chandler aren't as good as Melo, but they will help Denver win more. Obviously this isn't as big of a move it might not affect us positively or negatively.

 

[DesertFox]

Pass. I like Green, and that's the right idea in terms of what this team needs.

But Maynor is not better than IT now, and not worth giving up MT, especially with Brooks still hanging around getting paid. A 2nd round pick hardly makes up the difference. In terms of talent value, maybe the Kings aren't getting hosed as bad as I'm making it sound. But Maynor/Green taking Brooks/MT's minutes doesn't make a huge difference.

The Spurs can have Maynor, a backup C would be nice. Maybe turn Jimmer/MT/Hayes into Green/Perkins+ one of OKC's 1st round picks.

IT/Green/Salmons/Trob/Perkins is a strong bench. Replace the Hickson 1st round pick too.

 

[LongLiveIverson]

That wouldn't be bad either Idk about OKC giving up Perk..awful salary but if they want to make a run they need to have someone to fill in for the 5 position, as Nick Collins isn't a starter let alone on a championship team. They also can always amnesty him this summer. I see this as a potential December/Jan deal once Green is eligible to be traded after he signed an extension. By then we will realize Aaron Brooks makes our team worse as another me first selfish shooter in an "Im Kobe Bryant in Earl Boykins Body"..honestly going off on a tangent but that was an awful signing im sorry. Literally everything we don't need on this team.

 

[Bricklayer]

Marcus Thornton for 2 scrubs and a 2nd round pick?

 

[Tetsujin]

Ummm. Why?

 

[LongLiveIverson]

Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
James Harden
Eric Gordon
Manu Ginoboli
Joe Johnson
Andre Iguodala
Kevin Martin
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Monta Ellis
Aaron Afflalo
Brad Beal, Dion Waiters (give it 10 games)
Possibly Derozan, E-Turner, Klay Thompson

All Better than Thornton.

I'd say JR Smith, Jordan Crawford, OJ Mayo are about his equals
I Don't think im undervaluing him at all. He is what he is. A bench spark. Best as the 4th best option on a good team. (Spurs would be an ideal situation) Whenever he's your top or 2nd leading scorer I can guarantee you your going to be a bottom 10 team. If you can swing him for a really good defender, and a potential spot starter at point guard..the guy who passes the ball not shoots 15shots a night..Aaron Brooks. You do it. Your not losing a centerpiece lets think about this for a second beyond "19ppg" on a 22 win team.
Al Harrington averaged 20 something a few years in row. Knicks were foolish for letting him loose right..

 

[Telemachus]

Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
James Harden
Eric Gordon
Manu Ginoboli
Joe Johnson
Andre Iguodala
Kevin Martin
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Monta Ellis
Aaron Afflalo
Brad Beal, Dion Waiters (give it 10 games)
Possibly Derozan, E-Turner, Klay Thompson

All Better than Thornton.

I'd say JR Smith, Jordan Crawford, OJ Mayo are about his equals
I Don't think im undervaluing him at all. He is what he is. A bench spark. Best as the 4th best option on a good team. (Spurs would be an ideal situation) Whenever he's your top or 2nd leading scorer I can guarantee you your going to be a bottom 10 team. If you can swing him for a really good defender, and a potential spot starter at point guard..the guy who passes the ball not shoots 15shots a night..Aaron Brooks. You do it. Your not losing a centerpiece lets think about this for a second beyond "19ppg" on a 22 win team.
Al Harrington averaged 20 something a few years in row. Knicks were foolish for letting him loose right..

Actually, I would say that your list only helps to prove that you undervalue Thorton as a player.

 

[spudfan]

No. If we wanted to get rid of Thornton, we would get a much better player back than you are proposing.

 

[LongLiveIverson]

That what he is a completely average middle of the road starter..if your a team looking to improve if you have that at your position you should look for an upgrade..or in this case a better fit. Not totally dismissing Thornton's talent's, I just dont feel he's right for this team. Let Reke handle the 2 full time. Get some quality ROLE players that can play With Reke, Cousins and company that can make an impact without shooting the ball. Danny Green defense, Maynor with passing. Gunner shooting guards aren't going to get you a Nic Batum or a Taj Gibson type specialist in a trade. You think Josh McRoberts was equal value for OJ Mayo with the Grizzlies/Pacers botched trade?..How about Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Michael Beasley and JR Smith almost given away for free during their careers.
Thornton reminds me of a David Lee, Devin Harris type player. Can put up numbers on a crappy team, isn't going to win you games. Awful defense ontop of that. At least Reke has the skills and shows flashes of defensive potential.

 

[spudfan]

All you are doing is diluting talent. You are going from one of the above average shooting guards in the league, to 2 ok players and a lousy pick. And really, you want another point guard?

 

[Telemachus]

That what he is a completely average middle of the road starter..if your a team looking to improve if you have that at your position you should look for an upgrade..or in this case a better fit. Not totally dismissing Thornton's talent's, I just dont feel he's right for this team. Let Reke handle the 2 full time. Get some quality ROLE players that can play With Reke, Cousins and company that can make an impact without shooting the ball. Danny Green defense, Maynor with passing. Gunner shooting guards aren't going to get you a Nic Batum or a Taj Gibson type specialist in a trade. You think Josh McRoberts was equal value for OJ Mayo with the Grizzlies/Pacers botched trade?..How about Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Michael Beasley and JR Smith almost given away for free during their careers.
Thornton reminds me of a David Lee, Devin Harris type player. Can put up numbers on a crappy team, isn't going to win you games. Awful defense ontop of that. At least Reke has the skills and shows flashes of defensive potential.

Whether you like Thorton or how he fits with the team, that is no reason to trade him for inferior talent. I liked Maynor coming out of college, but right now he would only sit on the Kings' bench because both IT and Brooks are better than him. As for Green, he is a nice defensive role player, but nothing more. Whether you like Thorton or not, he has proven that he is good enough to be a starter in this league, and can score as well as anyone. There is always value in a player like that.

 

[spudfan]

Whether you like Thorton or how he fits with the team, that is no reason to trade him for inferior talent. I liked Maynor coming out of college, but right now he would only sit on the Kings' bench because both IT and Brooks are better than him. As for Green, he is a nice defensive role player, but nothing more. Whether you like Thorton or not, he has proven that he is good enough to be a starter in this league, and can score as well as anyone. There is always value in a player like that.

Agreed. So we would be sacrificing one of our top scorers for a couple of backup/bench guys. Doesn't make sense for us.

 

[LongLiveIverson]

Get what your saying..as you can tell im just striving for team basketball again. C-Webb, Bibby and Vlade's chemistry along with my hometown Sixers who were built like a team straight out of CYO got me into basketball when I was younger.

What about

Kings Give - Marcus Thornton, Tyler Honeycutt
Get - Chandler Parsons, Lamar Odom, Daquan Cook

Rockets Give - Chandler Parsons, Daquan Cook
Get - Eric Bledsoe, Tyler Honeycutt, Future First

Clippers Give - Eric Bledsoe, Lamar Odom, Future first
Get - Marcus Thornton


Personally don't see Lamar being a factor in the NBA, just a throw in for salary purposes, plus he's an expiring. Parsons reminds me of a more versatile Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier..Kobe's comparison too. Cook can spell Reke and get the green light for 3's. Rockets have 80,000 forwards, Bledsoe would be the perfect 6th man to Lin and Harden. Clippers get even scarier on paper.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Thornton is honestly a 6th man heat up microwave player. Will never be anything better than a 4th option on a really good team..JR Smith, Jamal Crawford.

i think you need to watch more basketball buddy. Thornton is a MUCH more complete basketball player than Smith or Crawford. the fact so many people on this forum seem to think Marcus is nothing but a useless shot chucker makes me really question the basketball IQ of the majority of this board



and by the way, i mean really, you think Iman Shumpert is better than Marcus Thornton? hahahhahahaha.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

i think you need to watch more basketball buddy. Thornton is a MUCH more complete basketball player than Smith or Crawford. the fact so many people on this forum seem to think Marcus is nothing but a useless shot chucker makes me really question the basketball IQ of the majority of this board

and by the way, i mean really, you think Iman Shumpert is better than Marcus Thornton? hahahhahahaha.

+1

Kevin Martin
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Monta Ellis
Aaron Afflalo
Brad Beal, Dion Waiters (give it 10 games)
Possibly Derozan, E-Turner, Klay Thompson

All Better than Thornton.

I'd say JR Smith, Jordan Crawford, OJ Mayo are about his equals
I Don't think im undervaluing him at all. He is what he is. A bench spark. Best as the 4th best option on a good team.

If your gonna a make statement like this and position it as fact, how about providing some sort of factual evidence in support of it? That's a widely accepted protocol around these parts. Sorry to break this to you, but your word doesn't get it done.

 

[LongLiveIverson]

As a basketball nut I appreciate the honesty, thats why I ask for all your guys opinions. I just don't see Tyreke and Thornton working or winning together. Ever. There was a stat that said Cousin's barley had any baskets assisted to him or whatnot forget where I saw it..but all these shoot first players directly correlates to Cousins having to create for himself, settle for midrange jumpers, whatnot. This kills his FG%. Not saying he's gotta be Wilt Chamberlain from inside but you gotta beable to shoot above 44% as a big man..some of that has to go on his teamates not creating enough. Half of that is also attributed to Westphauls playground offense half of the year.
I understand about the Danny Green/Maynor eyebrow raising, but if you could land a Chandler Parsons type and a backup shooter like Daquan Cook for Thornton in a 3 team deal. That's what im aiming at.

 

[sactownfan]

Actually, I would say that your list only helps to prove that you undervalue Thorton as a player.

agreed