OJ Mayo suspended 10 days. lets get him while his stock is low

Wait, whoah, whoah.


If his stock is at an all-time low, why would you give up JT AND Casspi? Throw Landry's expiring contract and a 2nd rounder. That's how you buy low.
 
Spike said:
Wait, whoah, whoah.


If his stock is at an all-time low, why would you give up JT AND Casspi? Throw Landry's expiring contract and a 2nd rounder. That's how you buy low.
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Exactly. As much as I would hate to let go of Landry, it looks like he woldn't come back, but we desperately need help at the guard spot.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/27277010

his stock is at a all time low. lets trade for him while the grizz are down on him. JT & Omri for him.

our line up will be solidified w/ him and reke in the back court
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You had me right up until the time you threw in JT and Casspi. You have to learn to put more value on your own players. I wouldn't trade JT straight up for Mayo. Ask yourself this. If O J Mayo is so good, why are they trying to get rid of him so badly, and if they are, then you try to buy low.
 
TheWileyVet said:
wtf JT and Casspi is low???
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Agreed. That would be buying HIGH in my opinion. I dont know if I would even make that trade if Mayo was playing well. He is in the dohouse already and know suspended 10 games. A perfect example of buying low was the Jets getting Santonio Holmes (a former first round pick AND Super Bowl MVP) for a 5th round pick. Holmes got a DUI and fell out of favor w the Steelers. After already being out of favor and now this, hopefully the Grizz are willing to sell low. Now if we could send them an expiring contract and a second rounder, we would be in good shape.
 
The flip side of the coin is that Memphis has no incentive to trade him now. If I'm the GM seeing that Mayo is only being paid $5M a year, I'm hanging on to him until his trade value is out of the pit... next year. Or I package him with Randolph to get something really, really good. What a good GM in that position would never do, is give away a talented player.

Oh wait a minute, we're talking about the same team who traded Pau Gasol for Javaris Crittenton. Offer them Luther Head + Darnell Jackson.
 
Definitely want Mayo on this team, but I agree with others in saying that JT and Omri as your package isn't exactly buying low. Landry and a couple of 2nd round picks would be buying low for Mayo, I think. And absolutely offer Luther Head's Expiring Contract. Luther Head the player is not worth bargaining for, but the expiring is.

And though it may hurt his image around the league a bit, from reading what the actual substance was, I don't think Mayo was doing anything too harmful. Nothing that should seriously hurt his outlook as a player. If it makes his asking price on the trade market a little lower, though, I don't mind.
 
beb0p said:
The flip side of the coin is that Memphis has no incentive to trade him now. If I'm the GM seeing that Mayo is only being paid $5M a year, I'm hanging on to him until his trade value is out of the pit... next year. Or I package him with Randolph to get something really, really good. What a good GM in that position would never do, is give away a talented player.

Oh wait a minute, we're talking about the same team who traded Pau Gasol for Javaris Crittenton. Offer them Luther Head + Darnell Jackson.
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GMs have a tendency to want to clear these distractions off teams.

Whether other teams want those distractions on their team is another question. Mayo's ego may be writing checks his skills can't cash, he's always had this most ridoculous group of superjockers around him claiming he was the next Kobe etc., and he seems like the sort who might very well have one of thos incredibly passe "posses" hanging around him, lapping up his cash, and telling him his **** don't stink while encouraging him to do duumb things. My interest or lack of interest there depends almsot entirely on that defense question whihc I have never come to a satisfactory conclusion about. I have seen both Kevin Martin and Tyreke treat the guy like a speedbump when matched with him, and yet you encounter a really unlikely split when you talk to people about his defense -- half say he''s a very good defender, half say he's a lousy one. The good one could have a role here, ego permitting. The not good one doesn't.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Make it Thompson and Greene and I'd do it!
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Not a fan of that one, either. We can't give up so much length for a person of questionable character and defensive ability. That, and we're giving up big for small. I don't like that one bit.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Make it Thompson and Greene and I'd do it!
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Its a lot harder to find length and defense then it is to find undersized shooting guards. And this summer there are going to be far fewer PFs availabel than there are going to be littel gunners.
 
Bricklayer said:
Its a lot harder to find length and defense then it is to find undersized shooting guards. And this summer there are going to be far fewer PFs availabel than there are going to be littel gunners.
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What is it about Mayo that makes you think he's so undersized? Is he closer to the shorter end of the height range for a 2? Yes, but not sure it's short enough to be making a point of. He'd be giving up a grand total of 2 inches in height to the best SG in the game, Kobe Bryant, and a total of zero inches to the second best SG in the game, Dwyane Wade. Eric Gordon, who will be an All-Star at the position very soon, is even shorter than Mayo at 6'3", and he's doing just fine on both ends in spite of his size, I'd say.

I'm not making a direct comparison between Mayo and the others' skill levels, obviously, but at the ground level, he at least has the athletic tools to do well at the position. He hasn't been able to get things together with those tools in Memphis. I'm guessing we'll be finding out relatively soon if a change of scenery sparks something, whether it's here or the other, more aggressive team that will eventually make a move for him.

BTW, this isn't a post in support of the Thompson + Greene proposal. His horrible inside touch aside, JT is still an important piece here because of his versatility as a 4/5. He's still young and unpolished enough to make his potential intriguing to the point where I'd rather not let him go yet.
 
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Dr. Spaceman said:
What is it about Mayo that makes you think he's so undersized? Is he closer to the shorter end of the height range for a 2? Yes, but not sure it's short enough to be making a point of. He'd be giving up a grand total of 2 inches in height to the best SG in the game, Kobe Bryant, and a total of zero inches to the second best SG in the game, Dwyane Wade. Eric Gordon, who will be an All-Star at the position very soon, is even shorter than Mayo at 6'3", and he's doing just fine on both ends in spite of his size, I'd say.

I'm not making a direct comparison between Mayo and the others' skill levels, obviously, but at the ground level, he at least has the athletic tools to do well at the position. He hasn't been able to get things together with those tools in Memphis. I'm guessing we'll be finding out relatively soon if a change of scenery sparks something, whether it's here or the other, more aggressive team that will eventually make a move for him.

BTW, this isn't a post in support of the Thompson + Greene proposal. His horrible inside touch aside, JT is still an important piece here because of his versatility as a 4/5. He's still young and unpolished enough to make his potential intriguing to the point where I'd rather not let him go yet.
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My point on length and size is that you don't trade two bigs for a small - that's nuts. As far as OJ Mayo's size, I don't think that's too much the issue. Finding a quality PF on the market is almost impossible to do, and despite his warts, JT is at worst, serviceable, which is what we would need (worst case scenario) at the PF position. Personally I think he's better than serviceable, but that's for another discussion. Greene? Not sure. His size is great, and I think these past few games have given us more of a clear picture as to what he can do.
 
I want the Kings to hang on to JT and Casspi. Casspi can shoot the 3 and that is important with Tyreke and Cousins playing the painted area primarily. JT is all hustle and fire, heck so is Casspi. You don't trade those kind of guys, you collect them!

Don't forget OJ Mayo also got beat up on the team plane and is now been docked 10 games pay for using a supplement that is sold over the counter at most health food stores. He would probably welcome a trade:)

KB
 
King Baller said:
Don't forget OJ Mayo also got beat up on the team plane and is now been docked 10 games pay for using a supplement that is sold over the counter at most health food stores. He would probably welcome a trade:)

KB
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Beat up on the team plane? Just the kind of calming influence this young team needs.
 
Dr. Spaceman said:
What is it about Mayo that makes you think he's so undersized? Is he closer to the shorter end of the height range for a 2? Yes, but not sure it's short enough to be making a point of. He'd be giving up a grand total of 2 inches in height to the best SG in the game, Kobe Bryant, and a total of zero inches to the second best SG in the game, Dwyane Wade. Eric Gordon, who will be an All-Star at the position very soon, is even shorter than Mayo at 6'3", and he's doing just fine on both ends in spite of his size, I'd say.

I'm not making a direct comparison between Mayo and the others' skill levels, obviously, but at the ground level, he at least has the athletic tools to do well at the position. He hasn't been able to get things together with those tools in Memphis. I'm guessing we'll be finding out relatively soon if a change of scenery sparks something, whether it's here or the other, more aggressive team that will eventually make a move for him.

BTW, this isn't a post in support of the Thompson + Greene proposal. His horrible inside touch aside, JT is still an important piece here because of his versatility as a 4/5. He's still young and unpolished enough to make his potential intriguing to the point where I'd rather not let him go yet.
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6'4" SGs are right there teetering on the edge of just flat out being too small. The special ones can stlil do it, but you are right there. And you already have crossed the line where they become defensive issues because even if they can guard their own men, they lack the versatility to guard SFs and are no longer viable defenders on switches etc.. Makes it hard to cross match your defenders looking for matchup advantages or protecting people from foul trouble. In the case of a guard shrinks you down to a size where most teams are going to feel fairly comfortable guarding you with their PG.

And 2-3" is everthing in this league. 2-3" is separating Carl Landry from Chris Bosh. Darnell Jackson from Tim Duncan.

Really any interest in Mayo at all depends on his defensive ability. A 6'4" SG able to routinely slow his own man, and sometimes switch over and defend some PGs is useful enoguh that you can then go look at offenive fit. A 6'4" defensive sieve is a classic lottery team player. Being short sucks in the game of basketball. Gotta be special to make it work.
 
Bricklayer said:
GMs have a tendency to want to clear these distractions off teams.
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Of course they do, but NOT right away. This knee-jerk reaction to get rid of a talented player cheaply rarely happens and never to a GM.

Smart money says Mayo stays at least until the summer; unless the Grizz owner has another epiphany and ships him to the Lakers for Luke Walton.
 
beb0p said:
Of course they do, but NOT right away. This knee-jerk reaction to get rid of a talented player cheaply rarely happens and never to a GM.

Smart money says Mayo stays at least until the summer; unless the Grizz owner has another epiphany and ships him to the Lakers for Luke Walton.
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Er, I have no idea where you get the "not right away" thing from. That's normally precisely when they start talknig about it, and the trade deadline is conveniently coming up. Not like he just had his first issue yesterday -- thinks do not appear to be working, and far from going on a selling low theory, they may be worried the longer this goes on the more the memory of his first two seasons fades. They also still have playoff ambitions and holes to fill, adn if the coach has turned away from Mayo could be dangling him for bait. All just speculation, but this is how teams behave. They may not rush into a move today, but unless Mayo's untouchable, and we know he's not given that they were already trying to peddle him last year forn Ellis, they almost have to have an ear to the ground now. When a dude starts getting into fights with his own teammates its just not a good sign for long term residence.
 
beb0p said:
Of course they do, but NOT right away. This knee-jerk reaction to get rid of a talented player cheaply rarely happens and never to a GM.

Smart money says Mayo stays at least until the summer; unless the Grizz owner has another epiphany and ships him to the Lakers for Luke Walton.
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The Heat didn't have any trouble letting Beasley go. Yeah, I know they were trying to clear capspace. But his contract wasn't that big, and if they really saw long term potential I don't think they would have let him go for so little. Of course it looks like they may have made a mistake now. The drug think is very troublesome. That along with other incidents makes me want to shy away. I would say the Kings have enough troubles right now and don't need to look for more. My observations have nothing to do with his talent, which I like. Of course Al Davis would take him in a heartbeat.
 
I haven't seen Mayo play much since he went to Memphis but I was impressed with his defense when he played at USC. He's not the quickest guard out there but he'll get in guys faces and make it difficult for them to get where they want to go with the ball. This is the time to buy low on Mayo if we're at all interested. He's never shown that he can be a pure PG, he's more of a scorer, but he could fit alongside Tyreke since he can shoot the ball. I'd consider him an upgrade to Beno anyway. I wonder if Memphis would take Udrih back in the trade?
 
hrdboild said:
I haven't seen Mayo play much since he went to Memphis but I was impressed with his defense when he played at USC. He's not the quickest guard out there but he'll get in guys faces and make it difficult for them to get where they want to go with the ball. This is the time to buy low on Mayo if we're at all interested. He's never shown that he can be a pure PG, he's more of a scorer, but he could fit alongside Tyreke since he can shoot the ball. I'd consider him an upgrade to Beno anyway. I wonder if Memphis would take Udrih back in the trade?
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Probably not as they'd be looking to shed money and not pick a MLE type contract back up I'd guess. It would be interesting just to see what they'd be looking for in return. Picks? Cheap enders to bolster their bench?
 
Bricklayer said:
Er, I have no idea where you get the "not right away" thing from. That's normally precisely when they start talknig about it, and the trade deadline is conveniently coming up. Not like he just had his first issue yesterday -- thinks do not appear to be working, and far from going on a selling low theory, they may be worried the longer this goes on the more the memory of his first two seasons fades. They also still have playoff ambitions and holes to fill, adn if the coach has turned away from Mayo could be dangling him for bait. All just speculation, but this is how teams behave. They may not rush into a move today, but unless Mayo's untouchable, and we know he's not given that they were already trying to peddle him last year forn Ellis, they almost have to have an ear to the ground now. When a dude starts getting into fights with his own teammates its just not a good sign for long term residence.
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Everybody knows Mayo is leaving Memphis eventually, but it's not going to be a give-away. You have to keep in mind the subject of this thread "Lets get him while his stock is low", and my point is: that's not going to happen. The Gizz are not going to take penny on the dollar on a guy they can use.

For that matter, the Mayo + Tahbeet for Ellis trade was a rumor they denied.
 
bajaden said:
The Heat didn't have any trouble letting Beasley go. Yeah, I know they were trying to clear capspace. But his contract wasn't that big, and if they really saw long term potential I don't think they would have let him go for so little. Of course it looks like they may have made a mistake now. The drug think is very troublesome. That along with other incidents makes me want to shy away. I would say the Kings have enough troubles right now and don't need to look for more. My observations have nothing to do with his talent, which I like. Of course Al Davis would take him in a heartbeat.
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Exactly my point: from the time photos of Beasley passed out drunk and messages of suicide appeared on the Internet to the time he was traded; was roughly one year. Good GM does not trade a guy as soon as something bust up. That's my point. Pat Riley waited one year to get rid of Beasley and only when letting him go would secure better players in free agency. The Kings waited a long time between Nocioni's DUI and his subsequent trade, even endured a full season of rumored tension between him and Tyreke. What does that tell you? Good GMs do not rush into trades. No knee-jerk reaction. If Memphis is smart, they hang on to Mayo unless there is an irresistible offer on the table.
 
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