Nuggets,Heat, Rockets Show Interest In Bonzi Wells

DaMan said:
A few Months back i said that Bonzi would go to the Rockets in a similar deal that Sar would have gone to NJ, where the rockets traded their 4.3 trade exp and future first pick for Bonzi.

With the news that Denver and Sac are unlikely trade partners do to salary cap reasons, I think that the rockets are now the front runners. I think that Miami is out just due to the amount of players that would need playing time and touches which would create the same situation he was in Memphis.

And as i looked at the rocket's forum (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=117766&page=1&pp=20) they said they would gave up a 4.3 trade exp and future first pick for bonzi. But the question over there is would kings fans like this trade? and would kings Mangement do it?

In my opinion the pick might be in the early to late 20's if yao and T-mac stay healthy. But next's years draft is deep, though, and both the trade exp and pick could be used as trade bait. And personally i would do this trade, its better then getting nothing.
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i'd do that. not likely to happen, but i'd do it. no reason not to, and you could very well land a pick in a relatively favorable draft position if t-mac can't stay healthy.
 
Padrino said:
i'd do that. not likely to happen, but i'd do it. no reason not to, and you could very well land a pick in a relatively favorable draft position if t-mac can't stay healthy.
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Indeed, at this point I can't imagine why NOT to do something like that. We come out of a bum deal with something of value, and have another leg up toward a full rebuild if we ever finally cross that line.
 
SacTownKid said:
I'd do a Rockets deal if it's for an unprotected 1st. If not there really is no reason to do it if you ask me.
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You'd rather lose him for nothing than nab another first round pick? Not to mention a trade exception? In particular if we are talking about next years draft, which is considered one of the deepest in a long time.
 
Bricklayer said:
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You'd rather lose him for nothing than nab another first round pick? Not to mention a trade exception? In particular if we are talking about next years draft, which is considered one of the deepest in a long time.
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Gotta shoot for the moon! If Tmac's back goes we've got a lotto pick.
 
Bricklayer said:
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You'd rather lose him for nothing than nab another first round pick? Not to mention a trade exception? In particular if we are talking about next years draft, which is considered one of the deepest in a long time.
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Yes as long as he stays away from Houston.
 
Bonzi going to Houston doesn't particularly concern me. Only real way for the Rockets to be a threat is for them to make some noise in their division, and I don't see that happening. If you can get something for Bonzi, at this point, you just do it.
 
BMiller52 said:
I bet Bonzi goes there for 2.1 mill and we get nothing.
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I am guessing u are talking about a one year deal at 2.1. But i think it would be dumb for him to do that, next off season the f/a list will be stacked with wings and guards such as Carter, Lewis maybe even Bibby, so I doubt that he will get much more then what he will get in a sign and trade with houston next offseason.

He could either sign a 2 year deal and hope that he can cash in that offseason but i really doubt that someone will sign him to long term deal at the age of 32 and with the allstar f/a class the following season. Or he could just take a long term deal at 4.3 in a sign and trade with Sac and end his career in houston. By not signing that contract with us, Bonzi has put him self between a rock and a hard place.
 
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DaMan said:
I am guessing u are talking about a one year deal at 2.1. But i think it would be dumb for him to do that, next off season the f/a list will be stacked with wings and guards such as Carter, Lewis maybe even Bibby, so I doubt that he will get much more then what he will get in a sign and trade with houston next offseason.

He could either sign a 2 year deal and hope that he can cash in that offseason but i really doubt that someone will sign him to long term deal at the age of 32 and with the allstar f/a class the following season. Or he could just take a long term deal at 4.3 in a sign and trade with Sac and end his career in houston. By not signing that contract with us, Bonzi has put him self between a rock and a hard place.
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He sure is between a rock and a hard place, not only did he wait so long to only turn down our offer that was the highest, the other teams spent their MLE and not many teams out there need him and/or want to go over the cap. He now is really hunting to salvage anything from this situation. I would love the 4.2M trade exemption from Houston if we could work that out. At least get something for ourselves and Bonzi makes 4.3M instead of next to nothing because of his dump mistake with his bonehead agent.
 
BMiller52 said:
Yes as long as he stays away from Houston.
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I think him heading to Houston could definitely make them a real threat -- health permitting a core of TMac, Yao, Battier and Bonzi is very tough and could win 50 if they get anything from Head and Alston.

That said a first round pick and trade exception make US better (at least potentially), and that's what we should be aiming for here. Having two picks in next years draft would be nifty, and could help us finish launching a full fledged youth movement if we move a couple of the vets. Throw in a trade exception which could be considerably handy if there ever really were a KG sweepstakes for instance (or some other major player), and we'd be doing well in the deal for a tax strapped team.

The Rockets are only one team, only one extra playoff competitor. I would think this sort of move, if its really out there, would be a no brainer for us.
 
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if they did the trade exemption+pick deal we would basically be getting salmons for free.... sweet....
 
AriesMar27 said:
if they did the trade exemption+pick deal we would basically be getting salmons for free.... sweet....
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er....?

I assume you're approaching it from the angle that the trade exemption is about the same size as Salmons contract? Problem is it doesn't actually knock the money off your cap, it just lets you trade for more contracts than you give away. But you still have to be willing to pay all that money, as well as the tax, if you are going to use it.
 
BMiller52 said:
What good is a TE if our owners won't go over the tax to use it?
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Maybe not much, but I think it depends on a couple of things: 1) when does it expire (I do not know) and 2) if there really were an elite player out there, would they go over the cap to get him?

In any case, that's just kind of a bonus. The pick would be the nifty thing, especialy if we get more serious about a rebuild. Multiple picks can not only speed a youth movement, but you can sometimes combine them to move up into prime lottery type position to chase a young stud.
 
Bricklayer said:
Maybe not much, but I think it depends on a couple of things: 1) when does it expire (I do not know) and 2) if there really were an elite player out there, would they go over the cap to get him?

In any case, that's just kind of a bonus. The pick would be the nifty thing, especialy if we get more serious about a rebuild. Multiple picks can not only speed a youth movement, but you can sometimes combine them to move up into prime lottery type position to chase a young stud.
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It expires the year to the day u get it. So if we completed a trade for bonzi today it would expire 9/19/07 and if u don't use it would just come off the salary cap. And If i remember correctly we will be under the cap next offseason, so I really don't see why we wouldn't use it by then.
 
Bricklayer said:
Maybe not much, but I think it depends on a couple of things: 1) when does it expire (I do not know) and 2) if there really were an elite player out there, would they go over the cap to get him?

In any case, that's just kind of a bonus. The pick would be the nifty thing, especialy if we get more serious about a rebuild. Multiple picks can not only speed a youth movement, but you can sometimes combine them to move up into prime lottery type position to chase a young stud.
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You can't combine TE's with player salaries in trades anyway. You can only include a pick so it wouldn't help us get a star player.
 
DaMan said:
It expires the year to the day u get it. So if we completed a trade for bonzi today it would expire 9/19/07 and if u don't use it would just come off the salary cap. And If i remember correctly we will be under the cap next offseason, so I really don't see why we wouldn't use it by then.
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I think actually it expires 1 year from the time it was created, which would be when Houston traded some player worth 4.2 million to a team under the cap and didn't take back salary. I don't think the time starts over every time it is transferred
 
kpm308 said:
I think actually it expires 1 year from the time it was created, which would be when Houston traded some player worth 4.2 million to a team under the cap and didn't take back salary. I don't think the time starts over every time it is transferred
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I think that's correct, which is why I said I do not know when it will end. Trying to think when it would have come into existence. Not the Memphis trade I presume, and the James/Alston trade would already have expired I think. Jim Jackson trade should have expired. Maybe the New Orleans trade?


Also, I think BMiller is actually right about the combining. As I recall the trade exceptions can be part of a megatrade, but not part of a stack to get one player. Could trade Brad & Mike an the exception in return for some guy who makes Brad and Mike's combined salaries, and some guy who makes the same as the exception though.
 
kpm308 said:
I think actually it expires 1 year from the time it was created, which would be when Houston traded some player worth 4.2 million to a team under the cap and didn't take back salary. I don't think the time starts over every time it is transferred
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Sorry, your right it is most likely the time it was created not transfered.
 
Bricklayer said:
I think that's correct, which is why I said I do not know when it will end. Trying to think when it would have come into existence. Not the Memphis trade I presume, and the James/Alston trade would already have expired I think. Jim Jackson trade should have expired. Maybe the New Orleans trade?


Also, I think BMiller is actually right about the combining. As I recall the trade exceptions can be part of a megatrade, but not part of a stack to get one player. Could trade Brad & Mike an the exception in return for some guy who makes Brad and Mike's combined salaries, and some guy who makes the same as the exception though.
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Cool trade Miller and Bibby for KG!!!! ;)
 
kpm308 said:
I think actually it expires 1 year from the time it was created, which would be when Houston traded some player worth 4.2 million to a team under the cap and didn't take back salary. I don't think the time starts over every time it is transferred
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The trade exceptions are a little screwy, but this is how it works in a nutshell.

Houston has a year from the original trade (this one I believe is in mid-Feburary for sending Anderson to the Heat) to 'complete' the trade. If they choose to use it to acquire a player a new trade execption is created.

The team that receives the new exception has one year from the date of acquisition to utilize it.
 
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