Bibby_10
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Well said Jerryaki. I agree completely.
Now, Ron Artest will be on ESPN2...
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Well said Jerryaki. I agree completely.
ezekielbear
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As a player if you don't think you have a chance to win a championship or even get to the playoffs why in the blue hell do you play?? Ron saying we will win the championship bringing on this much backlash from the fans of the team he is on is the most F**ked thing i have ever heard as a fan of any team I root for. Seriously people I understand some fans of the Kings think we don't have a snowballs chance in hell and choose to rant on and on about it when somebody here says we can, but to act as if one of the players is an idiotic moron for saying is ludacris. Come on guys they make antidepresants or if that don't work call Dr. Kavorkian.
I agree as well. I know Ron says some crazy stuff, but he turned us from being a laughing stock last season to a team the should have beaten SA in the 1st round. We were one of the best teams in the NBA after Ron got here.
While I agree that we have young guys that need to show what they can do and we have a new coach etc....this is professional sports and people pay to see a winner and you have to play to win. I don't suggest saying we will win the whole thing every year when it doesn't look good at the moment, but you seriously cannot throw in the towel this year, especially not now...there are too many unanswered questions.
All I can say is let Ron have his fun and keep him happy, then anything is possible!!! At least he is not like Denis Rodman going out and marrying himself in drag, but he comes close to what he said to those young kids
I really feel he cannot control himself and is lead into making certain comments by the interviewer who doesn't hold back on asking Ron anything because he will answer it without thinking what is politically correct.
Bricklayer
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No, actually it makes us as a franchise look foolish as well when its the face of the franchise speaking (as opposed to a 12th man or whatnot).
But more practically, it also rapidly erodes your credibility as a leader. Boy who cried wolf syndrome.
As for this ridiculous "every player HAS to think he's playing for a title every year or he's no a competitor" bunk...well, its just that, bunk. Every player wants to win one some day, or should (there are some I think that put that unfortunately low on the totem pole). But the vast majority of them have a far better understanding of, well, reality than that. Chris Bosh is not going into this season thinking I'm going to win a title this year baby!" Indeed to do that every year when you clearly and obviously suck would rapidly suck the joy out of life as every single year you basically failed to meet your goal. Planning to win one some day? Sure. But in any given year there are maybe 4-5 teams that have a legit shot. Maybe another 3-4 that have a hope, but know they are second tier and can fall short with honor. And then everybody else, who in most cases aren't delusional and are playing for lesser goals. Improvement, building for the future, establishing themselves, maybe upsetting somebody. You can have a good season without ever winning a thing, or deluding yourself into thinking you were destined to.
Edit -- my point not being that Ron is a bad person for saying such things, but that there is a downside, it is not normal, and I'd just assume he did not.
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Kingzrool
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Who would have ever thought one half year into the Ron Artest experience the worst thing any of us can say about him is...
"OMG, he is liek guarenteeing teh Kingz titlezz!1!!"
I think we should all lighten up a little.
He's Ron Artest!
Seriously, right on!
Did you guys watch this interview? He was clearly baited into making this guarantee. And why not? I question the claim that he will lose credibility, these things are mostly for fun. Ron knows this, even if he does think that the finals is possible for us. Who can ever make a totaly serious guarantee like that considering injuries etc. They will have fun over the season with it and we will get extra press, either way.
How about some positive? Noone mentioned his answer to the question about his personal goals. Ron is a true team player and is "purpley passionate" [dissing our slogan] about our team.
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Viking
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i dont mind it and i don't dwell on it. i mean sure people can criticize it but if ron believes that or at least talks himself into it, more power to him.
i like his attitude, even if it is unrealistic.
Jerryaki
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when ron was saying stuff with the pacers, or when any other player in the league makes such a remark, i don't really look at it as the franchise's position, but maybe that's just me.
and when it's ron artest saying these things, i also don't think it's like a damon jones "haha what an idiot" type of statement. it just shows how competitive he is, and how much he wants to win, similar to KG. their fire and spirit are similar.
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Or maybe just maybe it isn't Ron looking foolish or making the franchise look foolish. Maybe i dunno maybe he thinks we have a chance. Imagine that we have a chance. I just absolutley sucks when we are rated one of the top 10 teams in the league, the players have all worked their asses off this summer and yet in a KingsFans message board it is regarded as redundant to say we could win the championship.
Kingzrool
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It is true. Where is the Kingsfans passion. The thing that makes Arco so unique is the same thing that makes Artest say silly things - zealous passion.
Brick - I am not saying that you have to feel it, but surely some of us have to think it is possible that we can get to the finals. Kings 113 if noone else eh?
Brick - I am not saying that you have to feel it, but surely some of us have to think it is possible that we can get to the finals. Kings 113 if noone else eh?
There is NOTHING wrong with a player showing excitement and enthusiasm. To me, the idea that this makes Ron or the franchise look foolish is just silly.
I'd rather see Ron showing confidence and enthusiasm, knowing he'll do his absolute best to make it happen, than to have players who just report for work, don't have the passion, and don't show the hunger.
I guess it's time I faced it...I'm a hopeless Kings homer. And, as such, I'm GLAD we have someone who will exude confidence. We know he'll exort his fellow teammates to play the best basketball they can play. To me, that's a good thing. And if it makes me foolish to say so, so be it.
GO KINGS!!!!!
I'd rather see Ron showing confidence and enthusiasm, knowing he'll do his absolute best to make it happen, than to have players who just report for work, don't have the passion, and don't show the hunger.
I guess it's time I faced it...I'm a hopeless Kings homer. And, as such, I'm GLAD we have someone who will exude confidence. We know he'll exort his fellow teammates to play the best basketball they can play. To me, that's a good thing. And if it makes me foolish to say so, so be it.
GO KINGS!!!!!
GoGoGadget
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I'd really like to think it's possible to land somewhere between Peja Stojakovic and Ron Artest on the player enthusiasm/passion scale. Just as I'd like to think there's a happy middle between piksi and VF21 on the fan optimism scale.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ron's fight and determination. Really I do. But... gumption will only get you so far.
Eventually, people aren't going to be as willing to follow you about and fight windmills.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ron's fight and determination. Really I do. But... gumption will only get you so far.
Eventually, people aren't going to be as willing to follow you about and fight windmills.
I think there's enough room for me and piksi on the same board. And I think every fan can and should find their own level of enthusiasm, just like the players. I'm just a little weary of all the "don't get excited" or "that's foolish" stuff. It's TDOS. I simply don't see anything wrong with a little bit of blind optimism, hope, faith, etc. Sure, it may all be dashed to bits within a couple of games but why not just wait for that to happen?
I want to be excited about the coming season and I'm going to be.
I want to be excited about the coming season and I'm going to be.
Jerryaki
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haha, it's a sports team that i've pledge my allegiance to, so i'd rather have it filled with a bunch of don quixotes than a bunch of sancho panzas. at the very least it'd be way more entertaining!
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I think there's enough room for me and piksi on the same board. And I think every fan can and should find their own level of enthusiasm, just like the players. I'm just a little weary of all the "don't get excited" or "that's foolish" stuff. It's TDOS. I simply don't see anything wrong with a little bit of blind optimism, hope, faith, etc. Sure, it may all be dashed to bits within a couple of games but why not just wait for that to happen?
I want to be excited about the coming season and I'm going to be.
Me to VF not matter how much the FANS on this board want to take that excitment away by pointing out weaknesses and inadequacies as if all the other teams in the NBA have no holes whatsoever. HMMMM that gives me an idea.
Hey all you pecimists why don't you retort that negative energy and nah saying and look for weaknesses in the other NBA teams an leave yours alone just for one day. Let today be the day no negativity is spoken about your KINGS.
chelle
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I think there's enough room for me and piksi on the same board. And I think every fan can and should find their own level of enthusiasm, just like the players. I'm just a little weary of all the "don't get excited" or "that's foolish" stuff. It's TDOS. I simply don't see anything wrong with a little bit of blind optimism, hope, faith, etc. Sure, it may all be dashed to bits within a couple of games but why not just wait for that to happen?
I want to be excited about the coming season and I'm going to be.
Me, too!
LilMissDiva
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LilMissDiva
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He needs to believe in whatever he wants to believe in. Who makes the rules anyway?
I'm not sure I count as one of the pessimists but I'd be happy to respond. Every team in this league has weaknesses and I'm sure Brick, piksi and any of the other pessimists would be happy to point them out.
The problem that I feel, and that I see the other "Sancho Panzas" saying is that most of the other WC teams did a better job of addressing these problems than we did. That doesn't make them less of fans than you, no more than their feeling your optimism is misguided makes you less of a fan.
I think we all need a reality check. These aren't your children. You don't need to love them unconditionally. It's ok if you want to be so supportive that you think everything will always be all right. And it's ok if you think this team is making mistakes and headed for disaster. That's what makes sports discussion boards fun and interesting.
Finally, Ron is crazy so spending too much time disecting his comments from either side seems a little wacky.
This is never going to be resolved. Some people are always going to look for the silver lining in the dark cloud. Others will always hunt for the dark lining in the silver cloud.
One person's reality is another person's fantasy. At this point, there IS room for everyone. The problems occur when people start dissecting the posters and not the posts.
We're on a sports message board in cyberspace talking about a bunch of grown men who make obscene amounts of money to dress up in shiny uniforms and play a game. A reality check? I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
One person's reality is another person's fantasy. At this point, there IS room for everyone. The problems occur when people start dissecting the posters and not the posts.
We're on a sports message board in cyberspace talking about a bunch of grown men who make obscene amounts of money to dress up in shiny uniforms and play a game. A reality check? I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
Kingzrool
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a bunch of grown men who make obscene amounts of money to dress up in shiny uniforms and play a game.
Man, am I jealous!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Here is the very simple line that defines a "realist" fan from EITHER "optimist" or "pessimist" -- if this very same team had this very same roster and was making these very same moves, but they weren't your team, played in Milwaulkee and were called the Bucks, would you analyze it the same way? If you would, then you are a "realist", NO MATTER whether you come down on the positive or negative side of the assessment. Analyze it any other way, and you are letting your fandom cloud, or in some cases completely erase, any acumen you may or may not have had. Often it seems out of some desperate need to believe everything is peachy, regardless of circumstances. And if that's what you've got to do, do it. But certainly don't bother me with any pretensions that its got anything much to do with the way things actually are.
In any case 4 years ago I thought we had a good shot at a title. Because we did. Now I don't. Because we don't. Could really care less what that makes me.
In any case 4 years ago I thought we had a good shot at a title. Because we did. Now I don't. Because we don't. Could really care less what that makes me.
Jerryaki
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what i find irksome on this board when arguments arise over this issue is that one side is always trying to make the other side change their view, when that view is based pretty much on emotion. it's not like the different sides are discussing who would be a good PF, or what's the best line-up to use, or other technical things. more often than not, it's either:
poster 1: man, i'm excited for the upcoming season!
poster 2: why the hell should you be? this team isn't going anywhere.
OR
poster 1: this team did squat this offseason, i wish they could've done more.
poster 2: stop being such a pessimist, we're gonna do fine this season.
and so on and so on. it's a really vicious cycle. i don't understand why people get involved in these arguments to refute someone's feelings.
poster 1: man, i'm excited for the upcoming season!
poster 2: why the hell should you be? this team isn't going anywhere.
OR
poster 1: this team did squat this offseason, i wish they could've done more.
poster 2: stop being such a pessimist, we're gonna do fine this season.
and so on and so on. it's a really vicious cycle. i don't understand why people get involved in these arguments to refute someone's feelings.
