NOOOOO! Kings looking at Walker?!?!
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Kwame's career bests are 30 points and 19 rebounds both from a game in 2004. Guess who the Wizards were playing.
That's the game I remember. Webber had just come back and was having serious problems with his lateral movement. That's not a knock on Webb. He simply couldn't move. It wasn't as if Brown was dominant, he just wasn't challenged by anyone in a purple jersey.
That's the game I remember. Webber had just come back and was having serious problems with his lateral movement. That's not a knock on Webb. He simply couldn't move. It wasn't as if Brown was dominant, he just wasn't challenged by anyone in a purple jersey.
Seems like there were a lot of similar comments when we originally traded for Webber. He had the shoulder injuries, the marijuana troubles, and the woman that accused he and Juwan Howard of rape. He then went on to be a key figure in the Kings resurgence.
The Kings have obvious deficiencies on defense, but those are tough to fix in a league where skilled big men are so rare. I don't know if Walker could work as a King, but with his career assist numbers on teams that don't emphasize passing, he might fit the passing big man mold of what the recent Kings teams have needed.
Who knows if the trade will even happen, but it might not be the end of the world like some insist.
The Kings have obvious deficiencies on defense, but those are tough to fix in a league where skilled big men are so rare. I don't know if Walker could work as a King, but with his career assist numbers on teams that don't emphasize passing, he might fit the passing big man mold of what the recent Kings teams have needed.
Who knows if the trade will even happen, but it might not be the end of the world like some insist.
Webber also wasn't 29 years old. I am hoping this is just Walker's agent talking, trying to drive up interest in his guy. I really want to see a youth movement from the Kings, not a continuingly tenuous hold on mediocrity. Let's suck for a couple years, throw our hat in the Oden sweepstakes, and go from there.
I'm not a fan of Walker's, but if we're intent on keeping the core, than he wouldn't be a bad pick-up system wise. My biggest beef with him on this team is that he isn't a shot-blocker and we need one. I would much rather take the gamble on Kwame Brown- if we are interested in a player who isn't a shot blocker- but he wouldn't fit into our system like Walker would, and a Brown melt-down could hurt us enormously. We will lose some because of Walker, but we'll win just as many with him. He just might be the mouth piece the team needs.
I wouldn't bring him in if we kept KT. Kenny has already shown he can fit in and with Walker's attitude he can very easily fall into Adelman's dog house and never leave the bench. It would be wasted money on a player not getting any younger.
And I agree with those saying we should be going young.
I wouldn't bring him in if we kept KT. Kenny has already shown he can fit in and with Walker's attitude he can very easily fall into Adelman's dog house and never leave the bench. It would be wasted money on a player not getting any younger.
And I agree with those saying we should be going young.
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That's the problem I have with Walker, he keeps us where we're at, which isn't a good thing. Unless your holding on with white knuckles, hoping for a new arena and all that. In which case, maintaining a playoff team is of the utmost importance. And I'll repeat what I've said before, Sacramento fans are not that sophisticated, and would buy off on a Walker/Bibby/Miller/Peja team. Those guys will score points, and win 50 games, and they're all in their primes. They'll do well enough that Sacramento people can complain about the poor officiating and small-town bias, and then vote for a new downtown arena. We'll spend the next 3-4 years talking about bringing in defense, Peja's potential, and how Walker isn't always the best teammate. . .but we'll look pretty in our first and second round exits.
I don't disagree with you. It looks like managment is intent on keeping the core and if that's the case, from a management perspective Walker would be an ideal candidate to keep the status quo going. I also agree that most fans aren't "sophisticate" as you put it. Just from my interaction, most people feel, the only way to win is to play like we do. That's understandable since we've been so good the past couple of years, and the style has been so glorified, but we're just limiting ourselves with that outlook. Winning is pretty no matter how you play.
If it was up to me I'd be going young. I'd use one of our core as a focal point in a trade in exchange for young guys. I would be looking to build the next era instead of sustaining past accomplishments.
If it was up to me I'd be going young. I'd use one of our core as a focal point in a trade in exchange for young guys. I would be looking to build the next era instead of sustaining past accomplishments.
Sorry to be gloomy, but status quo possibly won't even make the playoffs next year. Lakers, Clippers and Golden State will do more than just stay the same. I'm not sure that walker/bibby/peja/miller team would win 50 let alone 41 with a couple of rookie type 2's. The lineup in fact would make for some dull basketball.
Chh-chhh-changes are coming. Or a change at least.
I'm starting to feel like the optimistic boy on Christmas morning who kept smiling even though all he found under the tree was a pile of horse manure. He just knew there had to be a pony somewhere. Don't tell me we're gonna wait until December 26th and all we're gonna find is Antoine Walker.
Chh-chhh-changes are coming. Or a change at least.
I'm starting to feel like the optimistic boy on Christmas morning who kept smiling even though all he found under the tree was a pile of horse manure. He just knew there had to be a pony somewhere. Don't tell me we're gonna wait until December 26th and all we're gonna find is Antoine Walker.
Horrible comparison.
When the Kings got Webber, we were getting bigger and younger and coming off a 27 win season. I was excited, most everyone I knew was excited. Others were cautiously optimistic. There was no questioning of Webber's ability to bring the Kings out of the lottery. Saying that this is similar to the Webber trade makes it sound like you weren't a Kings fan in '98 when it went down, or your memory is faulty.
Thinking about Walker on this team gives me a distinct feeling of despair and hopelessness. The Kings would be unbearable to watch with Walker on the squad. At best, we'd be a .500 team.
When the Kings got Webber, we were getting bigger and younger and coming off a 27 win season. I was excited, most everyone I knew was excited. Others were cautiously optimistic. There was no questioning of Webber's ability to bring the Kings out of the lottery. Saying that this is similar to the Webber trade makes it sound like you weren't a Kings fan in '98 when it went down, or your memory is faulty.
Thinking about Walker on this team gives me a distinct feeling of despair and hopelessness. The Kings would be unbearable to watch with Walker on the squad. At best, we'd be a .500 team.
Walkers not a terrible player, im sure if he learned our system he would be smarter with his shots, and he can pass the ball which is good for our team. The only thing is he's not much of a defensive presence he's a decent man-to-man defender because ofhis quickness but he's not much of a leaper, we need size at the Power forward slot, Walkers 6'8-6'9, I think we'd be going in the wrong direction if we picked him up, we need size and shot blocking to Compensate for Kennys lack of... But I geuss we could do worse then picking up Walker, he did lead his team with Pierce far in the playoffs a cuple times..
People really aren't being fair at all in this thread. Walker left a horrid Atlanta team and jumped over to a mediocre Boston team midseason, and managed to turn Boston into a good team, a legit playoff team, and, some said, a team not uncapable of pulling of an upset or two against the better teams in the east. Sacramento has turned into a mediocre team in the deep west. There are two stances to take here: go young and build for the future or aquire old vets and keep the team alive. Most people seem to think that these are mutually exclusive, and that aquiring Walker in a sign and trade for Mobley (pretty much the only way we can get him) will prevent us from building. That is completely false. If we let Mobley walk, we will continue to be over the cap, thus unable to attract young free agents. The alternative that everyone keeps bringing up is trading for Nene. Denver has said no to that. So people don't want to get Walker because he makes us feel bad about the team, knowing we won't win a championship. Here's an idea: trade Cat for Walker, let them team stay in the playoff hunt. Walker gets some (undeserved) praise for filling Webber's shoes (he won't, but this is the media talking here). Some none too bright in the Isaih Thomas mold GM hears all this, and when brought an offer of Walker for some young talent, jumps at it. Look! Youth! Or, he actually pans out, does some good stuff for the team, we pick up a good SF and become contenders again.
Alternative: we do what the fans want and hold out for Nene. Denver still says no. Cat walks for nothing. We miss the playoffs, are over the cap, and our only trade pieces are Peja, Mike and Brad. With a team like that, there are no trades to be pulled off to make the team better. We enter the lottery, the new "promised land" of Kings fans. Celebration ensues. The team sucks and spirals back into the abyss of insignifigance in the NBA. Congratulations. Aren't you glad we didn't get Walker?
Honestly, for everyone saying we need youth, no one has any vision for how to add it. I have yet to hear a better idea than grabbing Walker and letting the situation play itself out, taking stock of the team in a couple months, and decide where to go with our 4 (Four!) very attractive trade pieces. Hell, if we package Walker we might be able to get rid of the behemoth contracts we got for Webber.
Alternative: we do what the fans want and hold out for Nene. Denver still says no. Cat walks for nothing. We miss the playoffs, are over the cap, and our only trade pieces are Peja, Mike and Brad. With a team like that, there are no trades to be pulled off to make the team better. We enter the lottery, the new "promised land" of Kings fans. Celebration ensues. The team sucks and spirals back into the abyss of insignifigance in the NBA. Congratulations. Aren't you glad we didn't get Walker?
Honestly, for everyone saying we need youth, no one has any vision for how to add it. I have yet to hear a better idea than grabbing Walker and letting the situation play itself out, taking stock of the team in a couple months, and decide where to go with our 4 (Four!) very attractive trade pieces. Hell, if we package Walker we might be able to get rid of the behemoth contracts we got for Webber.
WHO? What seven foot athletic shot blocking scoring power forward has slipped under the radar of the league's GMs that we can pick up for the MLE? Maybe the Spurs are sick of Duncan and we can grab him. Or KG. That's always a nice little scenario. Shouldn't we get him by now?
People keep saying that signing Walker means GP has no vision, but no one posting here has the vision to present a real (feasible) alternative to acquiring Walker. The only presented idea is signing Kwame to the MLE, but that means he's backing up K9 and we still have the same problems as we do now.
Please, please, PLEASE, someone present an intellegent alternative. If you can't, then who can say who is lacking 'vision'?
People keep saying that signing Walker means GP has no vision, but no one posting here has the vision to present a real (feasible) alternative to acquiring Walker. The only presented idea is signing Kwame to the MLE, but that means he's backing up K9 and we still have the same problems as we do now.
Please, please, PLEASE, someone present an intellegent alternative. If you can't, then who can say who is lacking 'vision'?
You make a legitimate point. Walker is a good player but IMO it's just more offense.
I think Kings fans are getting frustrated because everyone wants a "quick" fix. I don't think it is going to happen. I would like to see the Kings try to obtain a younger power player like Swift, Magliore, Curry or Chandler as opposed to a player like Walker.
Now, getting there is the hard part!!
I think Kings fans are getting frustrated because everyone wants a "quick" fix. I don't think it is going to happen. I would like to see the Kings try to obtain a younger power player like Swift, Magliore, Curry or Chandler as opposed to a player like Walker.
Now, getting there is the hard part!!
I would be extremely happy if we got Swift, Magliore, Curry or Chandler. I would take any one of those guys over Walker in a heartbeat. One problem: it ain't happening. Short of trading two of the 'big three,' we're not getting one of those guys. I understand that Walker is not the best, or even in the elite, power forwards in the game. But if we can get him cheap, there is no reason not to. The Kings need to deal with reality, not imagine what good PFs we could get. Aquiring any of those PFs listed above is about as feasible as Garnett or Duncan.