NOH - PHI - SAC (Building around CP3 in NOH)

[Smills91]

With Paul rumored to be staying in NOH, I can totally foresee this type of deal going down.

Hornets, Sixers, Kings

I truly believe that Andre Iguodala is the next big money, big time player to move teams. The SIxers have their back straight up against the Lux Tax threshold. I think they want to ditch their long term salary and begin a rebuild focused around Holiday, Turner, Young, Speights and Hawes.

I think that Iguodala is easily a target of New Orleans to appease Paul. With our cap space, we can help alleviate the financial concerns that both teams might have in order to get some value back in return and fill out our roster with some veterans.

My three way trade idea:

Sixers give – Iguodala and Kapono, Jodie Meeks 3 million cash
Sixers receive: Peja, Thornton, 1st rounder from NOH, 2 2nd rounder from Sacramento, 6.6 TPE

Sixers add shooting, slash future payroll, pick up a nice young asset in Thornton and gain a 3 future picks to help build up cheap talent.

Hornets deal – Peja, Songaila, Collison, and Thornton, 1st round pick(lotto protected), 3 million cash
Hornets receive: Iguodala, Darnell Jackson and Jodie Meeks, 1.3 TPE

Hornets get a dominate wing to help Paul, West and Okafor become competitive. The Hornets move enough cash to gain some financial solace.

Kings deal – Darnell Jackson, 6.6, 4,8 TPE and 1.3 million TPE’s, 2 2nd round picks
Kings receive: Jason Kapono, Darius Songaila, Darren Collison, 6 million cash

Kings add a nice young guard to their roster and get a veteran at the three and four for depth. THey receive 6 million to offset over half of the contracts and get themselves above the Min. salary threshold at the expense of 2 future 2nd rounders. All contracts, minus Collisons’ are expiring and give the Kings maximum financial flexibility going forward.

Kings new roster:

C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Thompson, Songaila
SF: Greene, Casspi, Kapono
SG: Evans, Garcia, Wright
PG: Collison, Beno, Jeter

waive Sloan’s non-guaranteed contract.

Hornets:

C: Okafor, Gray
PF: West, Brackins, Jackson
SF: Wright, Pondexter, Posey
SG: Iguodala, (Brown), Meeks
PG: Paul, (House), (Crittenton)

Sign Shannon Brown, Javaris Crittenton and Eddie House to contracts(using part of their MLE for all) to fill out the roster

Sixers:

C: Hawes, Battie
PF: Brand, Speights, Smith
SF: Young, Nocioni
SG: Turner, Thornton, Green
PG: Holiday, L. Williams, (E. Watson)

Signs Earl Watson for a vet. PG in the backcourt for the minimum.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

chris paul doesn't get shuffled around? i'm almost positive even with this trade paul will still leave NOH. they are putting band aid trades to appease him. if he doesn't see talent around him that will be competing for a ring each year.. he'll bolt. i think they should just blow it up over there and start over w/ lots of young players, capspace and picks. as their roster stands, its not going to get better and those long term contracts are going to be the chain and ball that will keep them in the cellar for a long time.

 

[Chupacabra]

I think its unlikely that New Orleans lets go of Collison AND Thornton. I know i wouldnt trade both of them to get Igoudala.

Its too good to be true for the Kings. The Kings essentially give up nothing and receive DARREN COLLISON?! Also, whats with the need to move Evans to the shooting guard spot? Why are there still so many people that so adamently refuse to accept that Tyreke plays point guard lol? It seems that the majority of people agree that the position of need, if any, is at shooting guard. However, if you can get Darren Collison for nothing then by all means.

Fairly solid deal for the Sixers.

 

[Superman]

Even with this trade, the Hornets are still a 48-54 win team, and not good enough to beat the top teams in the West in the playoffs. I don't think it makes them significantly better than they are, and they still don't have cap space.

 

[bajaden]

Even with this trade, the Hornets are still a 48-54 win team, and not good enough to beat the top teams in the West in the playoffs. I don't think it makes them significantly better than they are, and they still don't have cap space.

The Hornets are exactly where I don't want the Kings to be. Which is why I like what the Kings are doing right now. The Hornets are in the position where they might be just good enough to make the playoffs, maybe, and thats about it. The don't have the cap space, or enough tradable assets other than Collison to build something around Paul. It doesn't take a genius to look at that team and realize there's no championship in their future. I know its a tough pill to swallow, but if I were them I'd seriously look at what I could get for Paul. Okafor is basicly untradable, and so is Posey, who they overpaid for. I'd see if I could fill another position with a young quality player and perhaps a couple of expiring contracts, along with a first round pick.

Something along the lines of Paul going to the Pistons for Tayshaun Prince (expiring), Chris Wilcox (expiring) and Austin Daye. If you don't like Daye, maybe you can pry Greg Monroe loose instead. You get a one year tryout with Prince, and if you like him then resign him. Hell you may even get him cheap with the new CBA. Anyway, just an example.

 

[hammystyle]

Even with this trade, the Hornets are still a 48-54 win team, and not good enough to beat the top teams in the West in the playoffs. I don't think it makes them significantly better than they are, and they still don't have cap space.

When Chris Paul was healthy in 08 and 09 they won 56 and 49 games. They alaready are a 48-54 win team...Iguodola is a HUGE upgrade on the wing, and him playing with a PG like Paul might take his game to the next level. Plus I think they'll probly get good production out of Brackins and Pondexter. So their depth will be better than it was. They're still probly too light up front to beat the Lakers, but it still a better idea to try this instead of dumping Chris Paul and starting over. Chris Pauls are extremely hard to get.

 

[Superman]

When Chris Paul was healthy in 08 and 09 they won 56 and 49 games. They alaready are a 48-54 win team...Iguodola is a HUGE upgrade on the wing, and him playing with a PG like Paul might take his game to the next level. Plus I think they'll probly get good production out of Brackins and Pondexter. So their depth will be better than it was. They're still probly too light up front to beat the Lakers, but it still a better idea to try this instead of dumping Chris Paul and starting over. Chris Pauls are extremely hard to get.

I don't think Iggy is as good as you do. I guess that's the biggest area where we disagree. I don't think he'd take a bubble team and make them a contender. Volume scorer, not a great shooter, needs the ball to get points ... none of that complements Chris Paul. Great defender, great athlete, could be a Shawn Marion-like auxiliary piece, I suppose, but the Suns couldn't beat the best teams in the West when Shawn Marion was there, so I don't know how far that gets you.

That and the fact that New Orleans had a pretty good coach and better shooting two years ago when they were a 50 win team. The West is deeper now, and I don't think they're a 50 win team as they're currently comprised. I'm projecting, of course...

 

[hammystyle]

The Hornets are exactly where I don't want the Kings to be. Which is why I like what the Kings are doing right now. The Hornets are in the position where they might be just good enough to make the playoffs, maybe, and thats about it. The don't have the cap space, or enough tradable assets other than Collison to build something around Paul. It doesn't take a genius to look at that team and realize there's no championship in their future. I know its a tough pill to swallow, but if I were them I'd seriously look at what I could get for Paul. Okafor is basicly untradable, and so is Posey, who they overpaid for. I'd see if I could fill another position with a young quality player and perhaps a couple of expiring contracts, along with a first round pick.

Something along the lines of Paul going to the Pistons for Tayshaun Prince (expiring), Chris Wilcox (expiring) and Austin Daye. If you don't like Daye, maybe you can pry Greg Monroe loose instead. You get a one year tryout with Prince, and if you like him then resign him. Hell you may even get him cheap with the new CBA. Anyway, just an example.

Yikes Baja! THAT's all you're getting for Chris Paul. Expirings and Ausin Daye or Greg Monroe?

 

[bajaden]

Yikes Baja! THAT's all you're getting for Chris Paul. Expirings and Ausin Daye or Greg Monroe?

It was just an example I threw together on the spur of the moment. I'm sure they could get a lot more than that. The idea is to get young talent to rebuild with. Not to just exchange one high priced superstar for another one, because that doesn't get them any cap relief, nor does it make the team signficantly better. The problem when you look around the league at all the rosters and connected salaries, is first you have to find a team with a need at the point guard position, and a team that also has some assets that you desire. The Pistons for example have the need. But to come up with more assets would essentially gut the team, and Paul would be no better off there than he was with the Hornets. The next question would be whether you would trade him to another team in the west, and if not, you then limit how many teams you can deal with.

If I were the Hornets, I'd let be known that were open for offers and see what pops up. Hell, Khan loves and collects point guards. He'd probably trade half his team for Paul..

 

[Superman]

If I were the Hornets, I'd let be known that were open for offers and see what pops up. Hell, Khan loves and collects point guards. He'd probably trade half his team for Paul..

Yeah, but his team is awful. I doubt the Wolves could put together a package good enough for a star point guard that doesn't includes three first rounders. Just sayin.

 

[hammystyle]

I don't think Iggy is as good as you do. I guess that's the biggest area where we disagree. I don't think he'd take a bubble team and make them a contender. Volume scorer, not a great shooter, needs the ball to get points ... none of that complements Chris Paul. Great defender, great athlete, could be a Shawn Marion-like auxiliary piece, I suppose, but the Suns couldn't beat the best teams in the West when Shawn Marion was there, so I don't know how far that gets you.

That and the fact that New Orleans had a pretty good coach and better shooting two years ago when they were a 50 win team. The West is deeper now, and I don't think they're a 50 win team as they're currently comprised. I'm projecting, of course...

Ok, there may be varying degrees to how good you think Iggy is but you HAVE to agree this trade makes them better, and it even saves them money next year.

Just because a trade doesn't immediately vault you into being a championship favorite doesn't mean its not a good trade.

 

[Superman]

Ok, there may be varying degrees to how good you think Iggy is but you HAVE to agree this trade makes them better, and it even saves them money next year.

Just because a trade doesn't immediately vault you into being a championship favorite doesn't mean its not a good trade.

Chris Paul wants to be immediately vaulted into contention, so for the Hornets prospects of resigning him in 2012, I have to say it's not a good trade. I haven't looked at the numbers post-trade, but if this allows them to be a free agent player in 2012 after losing Paul, then it would have redeeming factors to it.

I'm just saying that adding Iguodala doesn't scratch the Hornets particular itch.

 

[hammystyle]

Chris Paul wants to be immediately vaulted into contention, so for the Hornets prospects of resigning him in 2012, I have to say it's not a good trade. I haven't looked at the numbers post-trade, but if this allows them to be a free agent player in 2012 after losing Paul, then it would have redeeming factors to it.

I'm just saying that adding Iguodala doesn't scratch the Hornets particular itch.

I don't agree with the holes you have in the Iggy plan, but what has me confused is, what would you do? Stand pat? Trade Paul? Hope you can get someone better than Iggy for Collison/Thornton? Who? Its not like there are a ton of favorable options in their corner.

BTW - The Hornets biggest weakness has been a lack of athleticism on the wings.

 

[Superman]

I don't agree with the holes you have in the Iggy plan, but what has me confused is, what would you do? Stand pat? Trade Paul? Hope you can get someone better than Iggy for Collison/Thornton? Who? Its not like there are a ton of favorable options in their corner.

BTW - The Hornets biggest weakness has been a lack of athleticism on the wings.

I kind of think the Hornets are up the creek, to be honest. I don't see any reasonable scenario, aside from them pulling out a monster trade to land a second star player, that keeps Chris Paul in New Orleans. I wouldn't trade him, for sure, just out of general principle, but I don't see a lot of options they have. If the Iggy trade would provide them with flexibility beyond 2012, then maybe it's a deal you do as you look down the road and say "we want to be out of salary cap hell, and we want to have the ability to build in the new CBA".

My criticism of this deal in particular is that it wouldn't appease their star player. Doesn't make them good enough, and doesn't provide them with the ability to add other key pieces to be good enough, not within the next two years.

 

[mr. moustache]

There are flaws in this trade, but Iggy going to NO isn't one of them. I think he'd be a great fit on their team. I think Paul could be placated if he's in the playoffs the next two years. I think he's been frustrated that they have literally done nothing to add to their talent level in years.

 

[hammystyle]

I kind of think the Hornets are up the creek, to be honest. I don't see any reasonable scenario, aside from them pulling out a monster trade to land a second star player, that keeps Chris Paul in New Orleans. I wouldn't trade him, for sure, just out of general principle, but I don't see a lot of options they have. If the Iggy trade would provide them with flexibility beyond 2012, then maybe it's a deal you do as you look down the road and say "we want to be out of salary cap hell, and we want to have the ability to build in the new CBA".

My criticism of this deal in particular is that it wouldn't appease their star player. Doesn't make them good enough, and doesn't provide them with the ability to add other key pieces to be good enough, not within the next two years.

It would make their star player very happy. Why wouldn't it? It makes them better. It might not be enought in two years, but it would be a step in the right direction.

And personally, I think it vaults them right into the group behind the Lakers in the West and maybe at the top of the heap. I mean, they were just there two years ago...and I think they'd be better now. But that's just part of what I think of Iggy who I consider more like a B to Scotty Pippen's A, then a Shawn Marion clone. He'd be phenomenal with a PG like Paul.

 

[Kingstime]

It would make their star player very happy. Why wouldn't it? It makes them better. It might not be enought in two years, but it would be a step in the right direction.

And personally, I think it vaults them right into the group behind the Lakers in the West and maybe at the top of the heap. I mean, they were just there two years ago...and I think they'd be better now. But that's just part of what I think of Iggy who I consider more like a B to Scotty Pippen's A, then a Shawn Marion clone. He'd be phenomenal with a PG like Paul.

I agree about AI2 I think he would flourish around cp3 and that would also fix Nos main hole in their roster. The second scorer who can get his without mr. Pauls help, if they had a guy like him 2 years ago they beat the spurs in the playoffs.

My only prob wit the trade is on the kings end. Reke is our pg so these random 3 team trades involving us where we get back a Collison or Ty Lawson are laughable. 1 because those talents are not going to be given away to help in a 3 team trade or salary dumps. 2. I really believe Reke will be a top 5 NBA player in 3 years no need to try and bring in players who wont see mins being his backup

 

[NME]

My only prob wit the trade is on the kings end. Reke is our pg so these random 3 team trades involving us where we get back a Collison or Ty Lawson are laughable.

Seriously, the combined Collison/Lawson trade threads have to be into the dozens by now.

 

[bajaden]

I agree about AI2 I think he would flourish around cp3 and that would also fix Nos main hole in their roster. The second scorer who can get his without mr. Pauls help, if they had a guy like him 2 years ago they beat the spurs in the playoffs.

My only prob wit the trade is on the kings end. Reke is our pg so these random 3 team trades involving us where we get back a Collison or Ty Lawson are laughable. 1 because those talents are not going to be given away to help in a 3 team trade or salary dumps. 2. I really believe Reke will be a top 5 NBA player in 3 years no need to try and bring in players who wont see mins being his backup

I agree with this. This type of trade mentality is coming from those that still believe Tyreke is a shooting guard instead of a point guard. I call it a passive aggressive way of making their point. The Kings have a need. And that need is at the shooting guard position. This trade does nothing to address that need. It may help the other teams involved, but who the hell cares about the other teams? I do like Jason Kapono and Collison as players. But neither is a shooting guard. I'd rather have Jodie Meeks thrown in instead of Songaila. At least he's a young shooting guard.

Actually I would love Iggy on the Kings. But that contract is too huge and too long..

 

[Asaf]

I tend to think that Collison is pretty much untouchable as far as NOH are concerned. More likely than not, CP will be gone in 2012 at the latest, and Collison is the one who is projected to replace him as the star PG and leader of that team. Bringing Iggy might make them slightly better, but definitely not good enough to convince CP to abandon his dream of forming another super-team with Amare and Carmelo (or joining the Lebroshwade trio in Miami?). So, assuming they know they are not going to be contending in the next 2 years, they will probably want to keep Collison for the future, when they will be able to rebuild and try to get back into contention.

 

[Kingstime]

Seriously, the combined Collison/Lawson trade threads have to be into the dozens by now.

I know right and I agree heavily that our weakest position is the 2 so anybody have trade ideas that would land us a young swing man? I'm thinking if we like the young pgs like Collison/Lawson, anybody know how we could land a younng SG like Brandon Rush?(Throwing names out there I haven't seen too much of him, I know he D's up and can knock down a 3 ball.)

 

[mr. moustache]

Actually I would love Iggy on the Kings. But that contract is too huge and too long..

Me too. Unfortunately, that money is more or less already tied up in Landry/Thompson/Casspi/Green. Paying anyone not already on our roster is a dangerous move until we have a definite idea of what we really have in our young guys.