Nocioni:

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He's apparently being shopped, but also seems to be hurting his value. Here's a quote from an article by John Perrotto in Basketball Prospectus.

Meanwhile, the Sacramento Kings</SPAN> have let teams know that forward Andres Nocioni is very much available in trade. Nocioni has become expendable now that rookie sensation Omri Casspi has taken his place in the lineup.
However, Nocioni has a contract that runs through 2012 and hasn’t helped his trade value by putting up a 10.1/3.4/1.2/23.0 line with a 103 Offensive Rating and a 111 Defensive Rating.

Hopefull his shots will start falling...
 
Can you hear that rumbling sound? It's the sound of rival GM's beating a path to Petrie's door! :D
 
It might make sense in the long run to give him the majority of minutes at the small forward spot for the next 30 days or so.
 
Merdiesel said:
It might make sense in the long run to give him the majority of minutes at the small forward spot for the next 30 days or so.
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No way in hell they do that. They'll wait and shift him to the far end of the bench, possibly to consume his ever-declining salary to the bitter end, rather than risk the development of our kids.

You don't showcase Nocioni. He's not an unknown in this league. And he's not gonna be the center of any trade talks. You hope someone will develop a need for him because of some injury or whatever, and keep your fingers crossed that if it happens, they call. You don't bench young guys with potential when you're rebuilding and starting to gain some kind of chemistry on the court.
 
NoBonus said:
I sense a Dalembert for Noc deal in the works...
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I hope so. I like your idea in the other thread of

Dalembert

for

Nocioni
Hilton Armstrong

It would save Philly money in the long run, give them one servicable player, and finally get Dalembert out of there which he has been begging for.

We open up time for Casspi/Greene, shorten Nocioni's deal by a year, and get some interior defense, rebounding, and shotblocking.

The only bummer is that Dalembert still doesn't feel like a long term solution.
 
V21 I think you're right on. I like Noc but there is no need to showcase him. He has value though limited. They all know him. And I don't see the coaching staff changing anything for him.
 
pshn80 said:
V21 I think you're right on. I like Noc but there is no need to showcase him. He has value though limited. They all know him. And I don't see the coaching staff changing anything for him.
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Personally I think he has been showcased. He's getting enough minutes to show what he can do. Unfortunately what he can do isn't all that appealing right now. Lets hope he gets on a hot streak. Every little bit helps.
 
bajaden said:
Personally I think he has been showcased. He's getting enough minutes to show what he can do. Unfortunately what he can do isn't all that appealing right now. Lets hope he gets on a hot streak. Every little bit helps.
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Yeah, I think a team like Boston might want him though. A team that needs a vet presence, some defense, and some 3 point shooting. Or maybe the Cleveland LeBrons. Maybe the Spurs. It'd be nice if we could get something back. I wouldn't mind the trade for Dalembert though. A center would be nice. I dunno.
 
NoBonus said:
I sense a Dalembert for Noc deal in the works...
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I'm not so sure about this... The truth is that the Sixers are in the east and they still have playoff hopes. Especially since they have been playing well recently. Also, Dalembert has been having huge games including a 20 - 20 performance. If they are going to look for a trade, its going to be one that makes them better. Noc doesn't make them better.
 
VF21 said:
No way in hell they do that. They'll wait and shift him to the far end of the bench, possibly to consume his ever-declining salary to the bitter end, rather than risk the development of our kids.

You don't showcase Nocioni. He's not an unknown in this league. And he's not gonna be the center of any trade talks. You hope someone will develop a need for him because of some injury or whatever, and keep your fingers crossed that if it happens, they call. You don't bench young guys with potential when you're rebuilding and starting to gain some kind of chemistry on the court.
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Exactly. Not to mention "showcasing" him right now is just going to show how crappy he is playing as of late.
 
Kings Faithful said:
I'm not so sure about this... The truth is that the Sixers are in the east and they still have playoff hopes. Especially since they have been playing well recently. Also, Dalembert has been having huge games including a 20 - 20 performance. If they are going to look for a trade, its going to be one that makes them better. Noc doesn't make them better.
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This is sort of a chicken or egg thing. Its well known that they were vigoriously shopping Dalembert. But his trade value had dropped because of either lack of playing time, or his bad play, or both. So apparently the offeres weren't that good. Now, he's playing much better, so his trade value is going up. Whch would mean better offers. I would think thats what you would want if your trying to trade him.

I mean do you suddenly decide, after having this guy on your team for years, that you don't want to trade him now, when his stock is going up?
 
VF21 said:
No way in hell they do that. They'll wait and shift him to the far end of the bench, possibly to consume his ever-declining salary to the bitter end, rather than risk the development of our kids.

You don't showcase Nocioni. He's not an unknown in this league. And he's not gonna be the center of any trade talks. You hope someone will develop a need for him because of some injury or whatever, and keep your fingers crossed that if it happens, they call. You don't bench young guys with potential when you're rebuilding and starting to gain some kind of chemistry on the court.
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You also don't bench the veteran's in a funk, with a longish deal if you are trying to trade him. This is a short term pain for the long term gain.

Kenny Thomas was also a known commodity but he has been untradeable for years now because he rode the end of the bench.

We need to get away from Nocioni's contract ASAP and if that means him getting a bit more time and shots out there to play himself back into it then so be it. The worst thing that can happen to this franchise is Nocioni getting burried at the end of the bench getting little playing time and us having to wear that contract for its duration.
 
Čarolija said:
You also don't bench the veteran's in a funk, with a longish deal if you are trying to trade him. This is a short term pain for the long term gain.

Kenny Thomas was also a known commodity but he has been untradeable for years now because he rode the end of the bench.

We need to get away from Nocioni's contract ASAP and if that means him getting a bit more time and shots out there to play himself back into it then so be it. The worst thing that can happen to this franchise is Nocioni getting burried at the end of the bench getting little playing time and us having to wear that contract for its duration.
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Now it would be nice to get Philly to take KT as part of a trade deal. They are the ones that acutally gave him that ridicuously over-priced contract. Its not KT's fault for taking it.

*Edit* I take that back. After waiting all these years for the d*** contract to expire, I don't want Philly to get the only value KT's contract really has left for us. ;)
 
Čarolija said:
You also don't bench the veteran's in a funk, with a longish deal if you are trying to trade him. This is a short term pain for the long term gain.

Kenny Thomas was also a known commodity but he has been untradeable for years now because he rode the end of the bench.

We need to get away from Nocioni's contract ASAP and if that means him getting a bit more time and shots out there to play himself back into it then so be it. The worst thing that can happen to this franchise is Nocioni getting burried at the end of the bench getting little playing time and us having to wear that contract for its duration.
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Yeah, um...no.

The Kings are drawing fans back in again. The Maloofs are not going to allow that to be jeopardized just to give Nocioni more time on the court. It ain't gonna happen.

His contract isn't anywhere near as bad as KT's and we buried him for quite a while. and he wasn't untradeable because we benched him; he was untradeable because his contract was HUGE and he had pretty much shown absolutely nothing as far as talent. Hell, he couldn't hit water out of a boat by the time he was shuffled to the deserted end of the bench. This idea that destroying the first blush of improvement just to "showcase" what every freaking GM in the league - and their gramdmothers - already knows is just myopic.

The worst thing that can happen to the franchise is taking time away from Donte, Omri, or whomever in favor of Nocioni. Why? Because it's watching aging veterans with limited skillsets that drove the fans screaming from Arco in the first place. The Maloofs are doing everything they possibly can to reinvigorate the fan base. Nocioni isn't worth jeopardizing any or all of that.
 
bajaden said:
This is sort of a chicken or egg thing. Its well known that they were vigoriously shopping Dalembert. But his trade value had dropped because of either lack of playing time, or his bad play, or both. So apparently the offeres weren't that good. Now, he's playing much better, so his trade value is going up. Whch would mean better offers. I would think thats what you would want if your trying to trade him.

I mean do you suddenly decide, after having this guy on your team for years, that you don't want to trade him now, when his stock is going up?
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I'm not saying he's untradeable. I'm saying they still have a shot at the playoffs. Trading their starting center when they don't have a suitable back up lessens their chances for a playoff spot... meaning, unless there is some HUGE benefit for them, they aren't going to trade him unless they get better in the process. I still think there is a very good chance he gets traded... just not for Nocioni and a bag of chips.
 
sidney said:
I hope so. I like your idea in the other thread of

Dalembert

for

Nocioni
Hilton Armstrong

It would save Philly money in the long run, give them one servicable player, and finally get Dalembert out of there which he has been begging for.

We open up time for Casspi/Greene, shorten Nocioni's deal by a year, and get some interior defense, rebounding, and shotblocking.

The only bummer is that Dalembert still doesn't feel like a long term solution.
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We can't include Hilton Armstrong in a trade unless he's the only outgoing player
 
SacKings7 said:
We can't include Hilton Armstrong in a trade unless he's the only outgoing player
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That rule is only true for the teams that are over the cap. Since we are under the cap, we can package Armstrong with anyone we like if we wanted to.

There are numerous links on this board to the rule.
 
NoBonus said:
I sense a Dalembert for Noc deal in the works...
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Where do I sign?!

Shorter contract, addresses the need. Hell I am all over that one like a cheap suit. Somehow I VERY much doubt Philly even considers it. They have a glut of options for SF/PF that it becomes unrealistic for them to even consider it.
 
Čarolija said:
That rule is only true for the teams that are over the cap. Since we are under the cap, we can package Armstrong with anyone we like if we wanted to.

There are numerous links on this board to the rule.
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I didn't know that. I thought we were under the cap, but according to this, we aren't:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm

The cap is ~57M I believe

Edit: Hmm...I'm guessing this site doesn't take some things into account, like SAR's contract being covered by insurance?
 
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