rekehavoc73186
G-League
http://aroyalpain.com/2012/04/15/andres-nocioni-is-no-fan-of-the-kings-tyreke-evans/
curious to what everyone thinks about this
curious to what everyone thinks about this
Nocioni rips tyreke
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upinsmoke
All-Star
In a nutshell he praised the Bulls franchise D. rose especially. Noc then followed up by saying coach westfail lacked character and has hard feeling for Evans stating the franchise needed to stricter with him. Lastly he says Sergio Rodriguez was unfairly treated min wise to appease Evans.
I'm curious what he's alluding to by saying Tyreke brought trouble in the locker room. Is it because his teammates thought he was selfish or because they resented Paul Westphal's double standards? If it's the latter than I think it's ironic that Evans has now become the cast-aside veteran losing his starting position and minutes to another rookie PG. Can't really fault Isaiah or Tyreke for their coach's (organizations?) poor decisions.
Pretty much spot on. I saw it as Noc saying that the environment lacked order, which we saw. Also intimated that Lebron only excels because of his physical strength. His point on Rose was what we knew-great athlete, needed to improve in his all around game in order to take it to the next level, which he did.
I didn't see it as "ripping" Evans, but he does have resentment in terms of how Sergio was treated in comparison.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Oh he ripped Evans saying he could not say what he really fealt about Evans on t.v so it's clear there is some kind of problem between the two.
Eh... my Google-Fu appears to be weak today, but I could swear that somebody posted this interview here a year ago.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I do remember Noc and Reke getting into it heading to a timeout. Noc really got into him, Reke said a few things, and Noc apologized to the team later. Me thinks Noc had a little problem with anyone who didn't pass it to him as he thought he was the 2nd coming of Peja. But there is truth to what he said. Was Reke intentionally a problem in the locker room? Doubt it. Did Westy create a situation where Reke was coddled and the other guys had resentment because of it? Likely. Same way vets were pissed with the Jimmer hype before the season started.
But really I don't care. This organization has F'd up the development of a number of youngsters. Nothing new. And too bad Sergio didn't get more opportunities, we might have made the playoffs....hope Noc and Sergio are having a great time playing in the 2nd best league in the world as they can't cut it in the top league.
But really I don't care. This organization has F'd up the development of a number of youngsters. Nothing new. And too bad Sergio didn't get more opportunities, we might have made the playoffs....hope Noc and Sergio are having a great time playing in the 2nd best league in the world as they can't cut it in the top league.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Rather notoriously Noc is a grumpy guy (that's code for basically an *******) and has had problems wherever he went, and nobody else has ever said that about Reke as a lockerroom presence. Indeed its very hard to imagine him as a lockerroom problem. Now Noc wanting himself or his boy to be more featured instead of Reke...that would be predictable. And in such a case the lockerroom problem would be more along the lines of Noc being, in a shocking development, upset about roles, shots etc. There have been several of those: Omri, Sergio was unhappy with his use basically everywhere he went -- Euros with big egos are a consistent theme. And of course Kevin. That was a distraction to say the least. Transfers of power are always messy, and have to leave all the role players in an uncertain state waiting for it all to shake out. But lockerroom problem as in a problem presonality? Very difficult to see to say the least.
Kevin's Good Feet
G-League
Sergio was on the bench because Sergio was not very good. Not to appease Evans, but because he wasn't any good.
After we waived Sergio, he went to the Knicks. That's right, the D'Antoni "I'm going to make Chris Duhon look like an actual PG and Jeremy Lin look like Magic Johnson" Knicks. He proceeded to do nothing remarkable despite being gifted a golden opportunity and then found himself out of the league. Add in an unremarkable Portland stop and the simplest explanation is just that Sergio was really flash but not very good.
After we waived Sergio, he went to the Knicks. That's right, the D'Antoni "I'm going to make Chris Duhon look like an actual PG and Jeremy Lin look like Magic Johnson" Knicks. He proceeded to do nothing remarkable despite being gifted a golden opportunity and then found himself out of the league. Add in an unremarkable Portland stop and the simplest explanation is just that Sergio was really flash but not very good.
DesertFox
Starter
I can see how the handling of Evans caused problems, not necessarily Tyreke's own actions. I remember specifically the moments at the end of games where Westphal would just give Evans the ball in the corner and let him work, defending it by saying things like "that's what Kobe/Lebron do so might as well let him do it now."
That philosophy hasn't paid off in Tyreke's development.
That philosophy hasn't paid off in Tyreke's development.
Section 101
All-Star
The date appears to be april 12, 2012. But I know the one your talking about.
agree with most of this.
Kingfanpaul
Starter
We're talking about Noc? Seriously? Not going to say he's lying or anything, but he's going to come out and "rip" Tyreke now? When he's not even in the league anymore. Sounds like someone trying to still be relevant.
Boogie-havoc
Bench
lol I remember that.
God I hate Westphal. To think we turned the soon to be back to back 'Coach of the year' for that lame excuse of a coach cause he interviews better. fml.
mr. moustache
Bench
I'd rather discipline Cousins between games. He takes himself out of games when he gets disciplined during games. I'd rather have him put up 18/12 with some bonehead plays than 12/4 while he pouts and plays 18m.
Evans on the other hand is a man and can be treated like a man. His response to this year's "coaching" has been exemplary. His game can be frustrating, but it's hard to fault his willingness to be a team player.
sidney
Starter
At the end of the game, sometimes you need a guy to take over for the last play. It's a weapon few teams have. We have one of the best although it is often forgotten.
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This is expected from a rejected player who thinks highly of himself while playing on Kings uniform. He thought he was better than anyone and probably still thinks he should had been the number one option on this team and allowed to chuck all those 3s whenever he wanted to. I do agree though that Sergio Rodriguez should have had more playing time, but the playing time should never be (and as happened) at the expense of Evan's playing time.
IMO, there was nothing wrong with coddling Evans during his rookie season. He was seen at that time as the franchise player because of his enormous talent. He rightfully deserved all those playing time and freedom for his development. And it panned out with a 20/5/5 ROY rookie season for him. Also, just remember the first 2 years of the chucking and trigger-happy Durant and it would be easier to swallow the whole idea of coddling Evans.
Also, the arrested development of Evans is completely understandable. The kid was often times injured on his second year. On his third year, Cousins became more dominating, and here comes MT trying to be the number one scoring option, and then later another ball-dominant IT trying to be one too. Not that I blame MT or IT, but the situation somehow interferes with Evans development. Remember that there is only one ball during game time. I would have to add that we should admire Evans for swallowing all these bad things and that Evans has not not complained yet regarding his development.
IMO, there was nothing wrong with coddling Evans during his rookie season. He was seen at that time as the franchise player because of his enormous talent. He rightfully deserved all those playing time and freedom for his development. And it panned out with a 20/5/5 ROY rookie season for him. Also, just remember the first 2 years of the chucking and trigger-happy Durant and it would be easier to swallow the whole idea of coddling Evans.
Also, the arrested development of Evans is completely understandable. The kid was often times injured on his second year. On his third year, Cousins became more dominating, and here comes MT trying to be the number one scoring option, and then later another ball-dominant IT trying to be one too. Not that I blame MT or IT, but the situation somehow interferes with Evans development. Remember that there is only one ball during game time. I would have to add that we should admire Evans for swallowing all these bad things and that Evans has not not complained yet regarding his development.
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M
Mal
Guest
Yeah, Sergio was mistreated in Portland, Sacramento and New York and is back in Spain where he can't make the Olympic squad.
Tyreke just needs to keep adding to his game - it's as simple as that. There is NO player who can become a superstar in the league by staying the same player that they were when they came in. For some it's a matter of conditioning or strength, others just veteran savvy, or post moves etc. As long as Tyreke keeps adding to his game, heck even just improving his left hand first, he'll become a very very good player, because he already has a good base to work with. Since the coaching staff clearly wants no part to play in his development it's up to him to stick it to them.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well Mac, you had me right up to the, "Since the coaching staff clearly wants no part to play in his development", part. I sincerly doubt thats true. I'm sure many on the coaching staff from Smart on down, and including Petrie, have let their feelings be known to Tyreke as to his shortcomings. The problem is, there just isn't enough time during the regular season to refine or improve the necessary parts of a players game. Thats why the offseason is so important to a players development. But its hard work! Boring work, because of the repetition thats required. Its hard work to shoot the same shot, from the same spot on the floor 500 times a day, seven days a week for 3 months in a row. BORING! But you know what? Amazingly, your shot from that spot improves.
Its hard work to practice making a layup with your left hand day after day after day. The point is, this is all up to the player. The coaching staff and Petrie can suggest as many things as they want, but the player is left to his own discretion once the season ends. So the onnus is on Tyreke. He's not stupid or deaf. He knows what he needs to do. Its time to take his game to the next level.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People really do need to get over the left hand layup thing. Yes, it would be nice, but he's better with his right hand alone than all but a few people in the wolrd are with both hands. He's tied for 2nd in the NBA in attempts at the rim -- with Blake Griffin. And his finishing percentage in there is 63.6%, which is above the league average and better than Derrick Rose (58.4), Russel Westbrook (62.7), John Wall (61.7) Carmelo Anthony (61.3), and Kyrie Irving (58.5), and this against a league full of people packing the paint who absolutely know what he wants to do.
mr. moustache
Bench
If Jason Thompson can show up with a new left hand game over the summer(who predicted that?); Tyreke Evans can do the same. He's already a maestro with his right hand, but he needs to be able to make the simple play with his left.
Clearly his jumper should be his primary concern this off season. An incremental improvement in his left hand will increase his efficiency at the rim. I was hoping he'd be able to start focusing on these tertiary skills the summer after his third year, but we're not there yet.
Section 101
All-Star
Ya who cares about the left hand. DUNK THE FREAKING BALL !!!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Can we agree given the numbers I posted that it is a luxury item?
Putting a further filter on the lists, amongst all guards who get to the rim consistently:
Tyreke 7.1FGA 63.6%
Wade 6.8FGA 66.0%
Rose 6.3FGA 58.4%
Westbrook 6.3FGA 62.7%
Wall 5.7FGA 61.7%
Irving 5.6FGA 58.5%
Rondo 5.1FGA 58.8%
Ellis 4.8FGA 63.4%
Stuckey 4.7FGA 53.7%
Parker 4.7FGA 65.5%
Lawson 4.7FGA 61.5%
Jennings 4.6FGA 57.2%
Thornton 4.5FGA 66.8%
Teage 4.3FGA 59.3%
Allen 4.2FGA 58.9%
DeRozan 4.0FGA 58.3%
First of all notice the names at the top fo that list, and none better than Reke. And of all the guys anywhere remotely in his neighborhood -- guys getting to the rim 5 or more times a game, the only 1 converting better than Reke is Wade, who has the advantage of being a dunker. Even if you take it all the way down to 4 attempts at the rim a game -- just barely more than half as many as Reke creates -- there are still only 3 guys out of 16 converting better than Reke.
Which brings me to this: next time somebody starts complaining about how Reke struggles to finish in there, tell them to hold it right there. This is a perception gap. Fans have this bizarre distortion thing going on where they think everybody else around the league is finishing all the time and Reke is the only guy who misses a layup. When in fact there are only 2 or 3 guys in the league who have any real claim at doing it better than the guy we have right here. There may be dudes taking 2 layups a game at high percentage, but that's because those are open shots. Reke leads all guards at getting to the rim, defenses stack up waiting for him, and he STILL finishes them better than nearly everybody.
Adding left handed layups on top of that would be almost unfair.
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Agent23
Starter
I would like to see him finish with a dunk in traffic more often. I know he can do it.
Still only counts as two points.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not with enough ease to make it a strong play. Reke is not at all a high flyer. When he dunks its almost always in the open court when he can get a good run at it and get his steps perfect. Dunking off his normal array of off balance jukes, side/Euro steps etc. would be virtually impossible for him.
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