Nocioni & Hawes Traded for Dalembert

By the way, I fully endorse this trade. Player for player, SD > Hawes, Noc. We fill a need in shot blocking and rebounding and we help clear the SF logjam by getting rid of a potential cancer in Noc. We also clear cap space for next summer and we have a possible trading piece in SD at the deadline this year.

I'm legitimately excited for our future again. Well done GP!
 
From what I've seen, Philly got under the luxury tax number with this move. Could be an important factor since they have the real albatross contract from Brand that can't be moved. Kings had the pieces and the room to take on the 12 million contract. I wondered why they would move an ending contract so early. But the salary cap hit is a big one.
 
What is the most active 76ers forum? I googled it and I can't find any major forums.
 
Late to the party, but I'm down with this trade. To think, I would have traded Hawes and Noce for Okafor, and his contract is much more onerous. Very interesting that our two starting bigs are both UFA's next summer, but that means they should be playing their hearts out this year. I think Dalembert's game will fit Landry's nicely.

As for the draft, nothing changes. As others have previously pointed out, the Kings only had one true center, now they've swapped him but still need another. I think Cousins is still the main target, but if he's gone drafting Monroe becomes a lot easier because he's not as redundant with Hawes gone and Dalembert hopefully helps address Monroe's defensive deficiences.

Solid move by the FO.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Late to the party, but I'm down with this trade. To think, I would have traded Hawes and Noce for Okafor, and his contract is much more onerous. Very interesting that our two starting bigs are both UFA's next summer, but that means they should be playing their hearts out this year. I think Dalembert's game will fit Landry's nicely.

As for the draft, nothing changes. As others have previously pointed out, the Kings only had one true center, now they've swapped him but still need another. I think Cousins is still the main target, but if he's gone drafting Monroe becomes a lot easier because he's not as redundant with Hawes gone and Dalembert hopefully helps address Monroe's defensive deficiences.

Solid move by the FO.
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Indeed...and I HOPE Cousins is still there, but I dont think it will be any a step back if we get Monroe, he's Sam Perkins 2.0, not too shabby.
 
Ok. Just deleted my first message on accident....

WTF?

I'm gone all day from my computer and this happens? I'm ok with this trade, but as time went on Noc and Spencer grew on me. Wish them well. (Wish we could have seem Spencer really develop)

I think this works more for what direction the team wants to go in and points more in the direction of taking Cousin's in the draft. We need another big body, Dalembert is not that. Shotblocking, rebounding yes, but not a big wide body that we need. Plus he comes off the book after this next year, so if it doesn't work out its fine.

A PF/C rotation of Landry/JT/Dalembert/Cousins and Brock to fill in some spots (in whatever combination(s) Coach W decides) works for me!

We still need another guard/ upgrade in the 2/3 spots =/
 
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Bricklayer said:
As a brief sidenote, I hope this does not mean anything for resigning Brockman. He and Spencer were teammates in college, and I think friends. I think Speincer even had something to do with us drafting him. But if anything this is another move for defense and toughness and it doesn't look like Geoff has lost that focus yet (and damn, where the hell was that focus for all the down years? Jeesh.). So Brock still fits that ideally.
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Spence and Brock have been very good friends since just about 8th grade. I'm up here in Seattle.

Nonetheless, I don't think any of that will factor into what we do with Brock. Brock is the ****, and our org knows it. We put a lot of marketing $$ into him last year what with the t-shirts and whatnot. He's a perfect compliment to what we are trying to do, doesn't demand minutes, and his style is such that he can come in and impact a game within seconds, it's not like he needs to heat up and get in a groove. You just put him to work and he's always there for you. That is a huge benefit.

*By the way. I like the trade.
 
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I'm not a fan of this deal, even though I understand why it was made. Hawes was, IMO, gaining consistency and improving in the second half of the season. He was more aggressive on the glass, and on the defensive end. But, the reality is that this deal wasn't about Hawes, but about dumping Noc. Who knows, maybe the kings could make Hawes an offer when his contract comes up.
 
I see many positives in this deal besides the obvious of shedding Noc's contract. It opens the possibility of a trade come deadline time or the front line begins to solidify.
 
Showtime said:
I'm not a fan of this deal, even though I understand why it was made. Hawes was, IMO, gaining consistency and improving in the second half of the season. He was more aggressive on the glass, and on the defensive end. But, the reality is that this deal wasn't about Hawes, but about dumping Noc. Who knows, maybe the kings could make Hawes an offer when his contract comes up.
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Hawes had his shot and played Brad Miller ball... the Kings are going for toughness... rebounding... not centers that shoot threes.
 
Superman said:
Does this allow us to bring Landry off the bench, or do we still need him to start?
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Might depend on our draft.

What Dalembert and Landry bring are so radically different that it shard to see one having any effect on the other. In fact if there is any effect, it would be dalembert covering for all the things Landry can't do (block shots, rebound) while Landry does the same with his offense. But a Landry/Dalembert frontcourt, while complimentary, is hardly scaring anyone. JT is a good guy to backup both spots, but still...not scaring anyone. Need to get a stud in the draft (or theoretically in FA) before it comes together as anything intimidating.
 
Also, happier the Kings got Dalembert for Noc instead of trading down the #5 for the #7 to move Noc and get Prince!
 
We need landrys offense if dalembert starts. If we get cousins then I can see Thompson starting. Here's how I'd like to see the starting frontcourt:

landry and dalembert or
thompson and cousins.
 
Bricklayer said:
Might depend on our draft.

What Dalembert and Landry bring are so radically different that it shard to see one having any effect on the other. In fact if there is any effect, it would be dalembert covering for all the things Landry can't do (block shots, rebound) while Landry does the same with his offense. But a Landry/Dalembert frontcourt, while complimentary, is hardly scaring anyone. JT is a good guy to backup both spots, but still...not scaring anyone. Need to get a stud in the draft (or theoretically in FA) before it comes together as anything intimidating.
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True, but the frontcourt is getting there...
 
SacKings384 said:
Seriously... Sometimes I read some these the player's twitter accounts and wonder how they graduated high school.
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Worse than that, my sister-in-law is an English teacher and quite bright. Yet when she texts us it is without proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation. I don't think people realize how dumb typing in text speak makes you appear. And the bad part is that people have trouble compartmentalizing it. With enough repitition, that laziness creeps over to more formal communication without them realizing it.

As for the trade, it doesn't affect the draft IMO.

But here's a few things it does tell me:

(1) The Kings gave up on Spencer

Some combination of his soft play, inconsistency, attitude and injury history made them think that he could never develop into a quality NBA center. He's still very young and a guy like Chris Kaman shows that sometimes you just have to give a guy time but I can't fault Petrie. With Hawes I didn't see a need to smooth out rough edges so much as a lack of competitive fire and toughness.

(2) The Kings are still pushing for defense and rebounding

As much as people like to talk about "Petrie players", the Kings have been steadily been moving towards a bigger, tougher and more defensive squad. With Martin moved for Landry, Hawes was about the only"finesse" player left on the team. This Kings team still needs more talent (a legitimate 2nd star most of all) but they will scrap and fight and play tough.

(3) They were ecstatic to dump Noc's contract

He clearly wanted out and the Kings didn't see him (or his contract) as being part of their long term plans. It didn't help that Nocioni went to the press and blabbed that the Kings were trying to move him when I didn't think anybody wanted him in the first place. And yet they dumped his contract for a shotblocking/rebounding center with a large expiring contract. I'm still amazed at that part of it.

(4) This doesn't effect the Kings draft plans

Nocioni wasn't going to get minutes over Greene and Casspi and if the Kings were still looking at bigs despite having Hawes then the presence of Dalembert won't change that. He's on the last year of his deal, is 29 and while he provides some things the Kings need, if Geoff was looking at Cousins before, then he certainly still will be.

(5) It makes me wonder about the Kings supposed interest in Monroe

Why deal Spencer Hawes and then use the 5th pick in the draft on a VERY similar player?
 
Showtime said:
But, the reality is that this deal wasn't about Hawes, but about dumping Noc. Who knows, maybe the kings could make Hawes an offer when his contract comes up.
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I beg to differ! This deal was every bit as much about trading Hawes as it was about trading Nocioni. Some of you just can't see Hawes for what he is. You just see his potential.
 
Not that the Kings are going to lure a big name FA this offseason, but this move allows them to add 18 million in contracts this season (possibly through trades) and then they'll have another 12 million next season after Dalembert contract expires.

30 million in salaries within the next 13 months. This team will be a lot different July 1, 2011.
 
jcassio said:
I beg to differ! This deal was every bit as much about trading Hawes as it was about trading Nocioni.
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No, it wasn't. Hawes was a necessary piece to make the deal happen. Even if the salaries matched, there's no way Philly makes a straight up swap between Noc and Sammy D. They would have wanted an additional piece to add to their team, and they got a young, serviceable big to help their frontline. The kings were actively shopping an unhappy Noc. Last time I checked, Hawes hadn't made any requests to get out of town, nor did the team express any view that they no longer were interested in him playing here. To say the Kings were as eager to dump Hawes as Noc is unfounded speculation.

Some of you just can't see Hawes for what he is. You just see his potential.
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What he IS is still a valuable player because there aren't many big men who has his skills in passing and shooting. And in the second half of last season, he really improved his effort on the defensive end.
 
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funkykingston said:
(2) The Kings are still pushing for defense and rebounding

As much as people like to talk about "Petrie players", the Kings have been steadily been moving towards a bigger, tougher and more defensive squad. With Martin moved for Landry, Hawes was about the only"finesse" player left on the team. This Kings team still needs more talent (a legitimate 2nd star most of all) but they will scrap and fight and play tough.
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I think this might be the most encouraging part of the whole thing. It doesn't appear to be a one year blip now, but rather a full fledged committment. And I still have to wonder what the hell happened -- exact same front office and yet doing a complete 180 in the last year and a half. And thank god.

Also might have relevance to the draft, but how is not clear. On the one han if the committment to defense/rebounding is still in place, then Monroe would no longer be a fascination, and people predicting him are living in the past. On the other hand Geoff might feel like he bought himself one softie with Dalembert, and certainly if Cousins is gone the various defensive roleplaying centers available in this draft might be seen as duplicative with Dalembert.

P.S. It should also be noted, and has been y some, that a major factor may have been the looming end of Specner's rookie deal. We were going to be put in an uncomfrotable positon of either paying him big $$ if he had a strong year, and having to cross our fingers that it wasn't just a contract push and would continue, or losing him. Dalmebert is an ender too, but people know what he is, and nobody is throwing another mega-deal at him at 30. $6-$8mil under the current CBA? Sure. $10-$12 mil? No.
 
I keep hearing on 1140 lamenting that giving up on Spencer when he is so young. He may be only 21, but his knees are not of a 21 year old athlete. Big men and knee history problems are the biggest red flag of all.
 
Chupacabra said:
As long as Minny really does like Johnson i dont think we have to worry about any teams leapfrogging us. Im certain the top 3 teams wont give up their picks. I think we're almost in the clear.
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Flynn is lobbying hard for Johnson. Both being Syracuse players. However they never actually played together. Johnson had to sit out Flynn's last year at Syracuse because of Johnson transfering. Apparently they became good friends working out together in practice, since Johnson was allowed to practice with the team. Unless the 76ers or the Nets decide to do something unforseen, Cousins should drop to us.
 
Showtime said:
What he IS is still a valuable player because there aren't many big men who has his skills in passing and shooting. And in the second half of last season, he really improved his effort on the defensive end.
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Granted, but what does that get you. I have seen the talent, but am more concerned with the potential post play talent. What does a shooting/passing big man get you exactly? Perkins is battling Bynum, who was battling Dwigth last year. Before that it was Shaq, and Oberto/Duncan, and Big Ben Wallace and etc. etc. When has that soft shooting/passing center won anything? People say they are valuable because they are rare. But valuable for what? They don't win. Just having a rare skill that is of little value in the W/L column doesn't make you valuable.

Good teams have squads of board munching shotblocking bigs up front ot control that middle. They have passers and shooters too, but they call them guards.
 
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defense is not a position. It's a mindset of an entire squad. You do need the personnel who are dedicated to said effort, and are smart enough to be effective. You can't just plug in a defensive center and expect the entire team to be a great defensive TEAM. The kings may get better shot blocking around the basket, which is something they could use and have lacked, but this trade isn't going to turn this team into a defensive stalwart, so don't give your hopes up.
 
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