No laughing allowed on bench

[Kingaholic]

Not sure if anyone else saw this but Tim Duncan just got ejected for laughing at a call while he was sitting on the bench. He did not say a word... he just laughed and put a towel over head. Joey Crawford kicked him out of the game.

I know that you are not allowed to show up the ref or yell and scream at him but this is unbelievable.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Joey's a Mavs Fan

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Damn, mute a game for five minutes...

 

[sloter]

he was mocking the ref. its questionable if the ref should have just ignored it, but i agree with his decision.

 

[VF21]

You don't mess with Joey Crawford.

 

[Jerryaki]

he came off like a jack*** to me after hitting duncan with the second T. it wasn't necessary, and duncan certainly wasn't "showing the ref up"...he was on the bench! no one was even looking at him!

 

[Jer]

That'll teach you to be amused by something

This just in: Joey Crawford is a horrible referee

 

[Gargamel]

Crawford has a healthy ego. They interviewed him on the Bryant Gumbel sports show on HBO recently. Joey made it clear that he won't take any kind of direct challenge to his authority (he called it "credibility"). He ain't the only one who would've done the same, btw. Ronnie Garretson kicked out Sheed for maddogging him in the playoffs. Javie kicked out Payton once for rolling the ball to him after a call.

 

[Dave McNulla]

AOL Sports

"He looked at me and said, 'Do you want to fight? Do you want to fight?" If he wants to fight, we can fight. I don't have any problem with him, but we can do it if he wants to. I have no reason why in the middle of a game he would yell at me, 'Do you want to fight?"'

if that's true, the league office should rescind the T and suspend crawford. you gotta be in your right mind to be an official and he apparently is not.

 

[Superman]

he was mocking the ref. its questionable if the ref should have just ignored it, but i agree with his decision.

So WHAT?

Joey Crawford shouldn't be an NBA official (a position of relative authority, but all authority comes with criticism) if he can't take getting laughed at. By the way, I don't even think Crawford made the call that Duncan was apparently laughing at.

When officiating a game late in the season that has playoff implications (by losing the game, the Spurs lost any chance of catching the Suns for the 2nd seed in the West), the officials' ego or "opinion" or whatever should not have such a direct and significant bearing on the outcome of the game. The Spurs lost by five points on the road in a game where Duncan was approaching triple-double numbers. And he gets thrown out of the game after a series of calls that he wasn't even on the court for. It was ridiculous and unnecessary, and Crawford looked like an absolute moron throwing two technicals fouls within 40 seconds of each other at a player who was neither in the game nor saying anything to any of the officials to warrant either foul.

Can you say "power trip"?

 

[Jer]

AOL Sports
if that's true, the league office should rescind the T and suspend crawford

Never going to happen in a million years

 

[Packt]

Who to believe, Saint Duncan or Joey Crawford? I highly doubt Duncan did or said nothing. What he said or did, out of context probably didn't deserve a technical, but he was most likely talking mess. The quote from Duncan about Crawford wanting to fight tells you the whole story. I'd say he cost his team an important win by getting at Crawford, except they still have two All-Stars on the floor. Poor Spurs, they couldn't hold the lead with just two All-Stars.

 

[VF21]

The best part of this whole incident is going to the Spurs and Mavs boards. Reading how Mavs fans try and justify Crawford's actions is actually cheering me up. And the Spurs fan indignation at the idea St. Duncan could do anything wrong is also pretty good.

It's nice to see someone other than Kings and Lakers fans going at each other over officiating.

 

[4cwebb]

So WHAT?

Joey Crawford shouldn't be an NBA official (a position of relative authority, but all authority comes with criticism) if he can't take getting laughed at. By the way, I don't even think Crawford made the call that Duncan was apparently laughing at.

When officiating a game late in the season that has playoff implications (by losing the game, the Spurs lost any chance of catching the Suns for the 2nd seed in the West), the officials' ego or "opinion" or whatever should not have such a direct and significant bearing on the outcome of the game. The Spurs lost by five points on the road in a game where Duncan was approaching triple-double numbers. And he gets thrown out of the game after a series of calls that he wasn't even on the court for. It was ridiculous and unnecessary, and Crawford looked like an absolute moron throwing two technicals fouls within 40 seconds of each other at a player who was neither in the game nor saying anything to any of the officials to warrant either foul.

Can you say "power trip"?

When was the last time anyone heard anything about the NFL's referees talking about being disrespected, etc.? Players are always going to disagree with the calls --- as long as they aren't slowing down the game or making a huge show out of the situation, a ref should just turn his/her back and walk away.

 

[VF21]

When was the last time anyone heard anything about the NFL's referees talking about being disrespected, etc.? Players are always going to disagree with the calls --- as long as they aren't slowing down the game or making a huge show out of the situation, a ref should just turn his/her back and walk away.

You can't really compare the NBA and NFL in this regard. The NFL is played on a wide open field with helmets, etc. and little chance of an official or anyone else overhearing some kind of comment made by a player about a call.

The NBA, on the other hand, is in your face. Close-ups of players, no helmets to conceal emotions or actual words, etc.

While I tend to agree that Crawford apparently just went over the edge in this case, I don't think it's comparable to the NFL. And remember, the NFL only plays once a week. The officials and the players don't interact anywhere near as often.

 

[Dave McNulla]

So WHAT?

Joey Crawford shouldn't be an NBA official (a position of relative authority, but all authority comes with criticism) if he can't take getting laughed at. By the way, I don't even think Crawford made the call that Duncan was apparently laughing at.

When officiating a game late in the season that has playoff implications (by losing the game, the Spurs lost any chance of catching the Suns for the 2nd seed in the West), the officials' ego or "opinion" or whatever should not have such a direct and significant bearing on the outcome of the game. The Spurs lost by five points on the road in a game where Duncan was approaching triple-double numbers. And he gets thrown out of the game after a series of calls that he wasn't even on the court for. It was ridiculous and unnecessary, and Crawford looked like an absolute moron throwing two technicals fouls within 40 seconds of each other at a player who was neither in the game nor saying anything to any of the officials to warrant either foul.

Can you say "power trip"?

joe needs to go.

 

[4cwebb]

You can't really compare the NBA and NFL in this regard. The NFL is played on a wide open field with helmets, etc. and little chance of an official or anyone else overhearing some kind of comment made by a player about a call.

The NBA, on the other hand, is in your face. Close-ups of players, no helmets to conceal emotions or actual words, etc.

While I tend to agree that Crawford apparently just went over the edge in this case, I don't think it's comparable to the NFL. And remember, the NFL only plays once a week. The officials and the players don't interact anywhere near as often.

I don't think the two are directly comparable, but I would like the NBA to take a page out of the NFL officials' playbook that you don't really associate outcomes or games with the officiating.

I'd be surprised if NFL officials' calls weren't objected to with all varieties of unkind words --- I don't really see an offensive lineman holding his tongue when a ref is explaining a penalty. I would also be surprised if there weren't a fair number of insults thrown the refs way, if not by the players, then by the coaches (and quite often during a game at that).

Sure, the games are only once per week --- all the more opportunity to hear in the seven days afterwards how a ref was disrespected by a coach, and so gave the coach an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. My guess would be that plenty of football coaches, both college and professional, would be suspended for more than one game if they said similar things to a NBA referee as they say on Saturdays and Sundays to linesmen and referees. Yet I've still not heard of football referees being "disrespected".

 

[grego]

The best part of this whole incident is going to the Spurs and Mavs boards. Reading how Mavs fans try and justify Crawford's actions is actually cheering me up. And the Spurs fan indignation at the idea St. Duncan could do anything wrong is also pretty good.

It's nice to see someone other than Kings and Lakers fans going at each other over officiating.

Well Duncan did say stuff(that of course can't be said on here) after 2 T's. And Duncan in the past has sometimes complained too much, even if he is the team captain.

Anyway, i think the footage speaks for itself.
Replay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGeNWwBN5bQ

TD's comments: http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=384684

 

[4cwebb]

Crawford shouldn't worry one bit about whether or not a player is making fun of his calls from the bench, so long as he's not doing so in a manner completely disruptive to the game. I'm as much of a "Duncan-is-a-big-whiner" guy as anyone, but that second technical foul was just disgraceful.

I'll be interested to see how Duncan's postgame comments are handled by the league (or whether DCrawford is disciplined in any way).

 

[vladetomiller]

You can't really compare the NBA and NFL in this regard. The NFL is played on a wide open field with helmets, etc. and little chance of an official or anyone else overhearing some kind of comment made by a player about a call.

The NBA, on the other hand, is in your face. Close-ups of players, no helmets to conceal emotions or actual words, etc.

While I tend to agree that Crawford apparently just went over the edge in this case, I don't think it's comparable to the NFL. And remember, the NFL only plays once a week. The officials and the players don't interact anywhere near as often.

The basic difference is the attitude from the two leagues. NFL agrees that the refs make mistakes inspite of having multiple refs in the game and gives the players and the coaches a chance to correct it by the replay rule. It is an attempt to make the game more decided on the field without the zebras deciding the game. I am impressed with the last 2 minutes of play in NFL where every questionable call or even calls that have some remote chance of an error are reviewed from up and ensured that it was the right call.

That is an attempt by the NFL to let the players decide the winner whereas NBA takes an attitude saying yes we make mistakes, we will continue to make mistakes and you cant do anything about it. the problem is having the inner motive or atleast some fans have the feeling that there is an inner motive and they dont care there is that perception and they dont seem to make changes in that regard.

Everyone is widely aniticipating the lakers suns matchup in round 1, if the spurs win they have a possibility of taking the 2nd seed and would the nba want that. Probably duncan was talking about that and joking saying "ah they want us to play the nuggets" and he was t'd up. Probably Joe was mad cos it was duncan who was in fact a product of the super star show put on by the nba. Taking a good player and making him a mega superstar when he was not and joe had as much effort in that as duncan had.

 

[Geoff]

That call was bull-manure, from what I saw on the Youtube clip. I'm curious what the Sternmeister will say about it all...

 

[love_them_kings]

That call was bull-manure, from what I saw on the Youtube clip. I'm curious what the Sternmeister will say about it all...

I agree. Whether or not Duncan is a whiner is irrelevant, there is no way a player should get thrown out of a game for sitting on the sidelines laughing. That's ridiculous.

 

[Jer]

(or whether DCrawford is disciplined in any way).

DAN Crawford is actually a pretty good ref. Joey's the bald idiot.

Even Joey himself said "That's his opinion. He said nothing when he was walking off the court and he called me a piece of (s--t)? Is that nothing?"

Yeah, after you already ejected him, sure. Players say a lot worse to refs after they've been tossed; thanks for ruining a great game Joey!

 

[Superman]

You can't really compare the NBA and NFL in this regard. The NFL is played on a wide open field with helmets, etc. and little chance of an official or anyone else overhearing some kind of comment made by a player about a call.

The NBA, on the other hand, is in your face. Close-ups of players, no helmets to conceal emotions or actual words, etc.

While I tend to agree that Crawford apparently just went over the edge in this case, I don't think it's comparable to the NFL. And remember, the NFL only plays once a week. The officials and the players don't interact anywhere near as often.

Plus, players don't get kicked out of games in the NFL.

 

[NikateeN]

I enjoyed it, i cant stand Duncan so it put a big smile on my face, not to mention it lead to their loss.

 

[vladetomiller]

Plus, players don't get kicked out of games in the NFL.

I think players get kicked out of games for unsportsmanline conduct.

 

[VF21]

I think players get kicked out of games for unsportsmanline conduct.

Totally different definitions, however. It takes something REALLY ugly to get a player off the field in the NFL. Going nuts and beating up an opponent comes to mind.

Now, about your other comment:

Probably Joe was mad cos it was duncan who was in fact a product of the super star show put on by the nba. Taking a good player and making him a mega superstar when he was not and joe had as much effort in that as duncan had.

That is purely delusional. Your whole book of conspiracy theories is actually more than a little sad. How can you possibly enjoy the game of basketball with all these conspiracies floating around in your head?

 

[vladetomiller]

Incidentally that last comment is not mine, thats from a spurs long time fan on the spurs board. I think the quote was "Duncan was put on the expressway to startdom by Stern", go and search their site to find that out. Similarly this season Brick knows that the kings are getting far too many FTs than what they are due, I dont know if its really good cos you are looking at as many Lins as possible

You can think about all the missed calls and call it bad luck or maybe say that only a certain team gets all the calls. I try to think beyond that and try to see if there could be a motive, frustrations are the same but I think more about it to see if there is a pattern. Sadly i am not the only one thinking that way I suppose, yesterday the espn guy (some buchard i think) was talking about this call and how conspiracy theorists would talk about it in a certain way. How come so many people think that way about the nba err nbe, we dont see similar reactions in baseball or nfl. Those are also human refs in a fast paced game, people think of them as errors.

To clarify, I enjoy the game much more than you do, cos I dont get frustrated with calls that dont go my teams way, I actually add that to the date to refine the pattern. Lets see if my predictions hold good, then we will see.

 

[VF21]

Similarly this season Brick knows that the kings are getting far too many FTs than what they are due, I dont know if its really good cos you are looking at as many Lins as possible.

That's odd. I pretty much read everything Brickie posts and I cannot recall him ever making that kind of statement. Could you refresh my memory?

To clarify, I enjoy the game much more than you do, cos I dont get frustrated with calls that dont go my teams way, I actually add that to the date to refine the pattern. Lets see if my predictions hold good, then we will see.

Whatever floats your boat.

For the record, second-guessing the officials has never been my stock in trade. Ever.

Refine the pattern? Dude, it's entertainment. I watch games - and have for over 40 years - because I truly love basketball. And even if your "predictions" came true, it wouldn't prove your hypothesis. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[vladetomiller]

Well two years in a row would be nice to have, talk to slim about last years prediction.

I think Brick made that statement after the lakers game where the kings found a way to lose after that inbounds call on kobe etc etc