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Uh Oh 9er fans... 34-31 Cowboys late 4th Q.

Rattay did have a good game especially if you compare it to last weeks 3INT 0TD performance. It is also better than his <200yds, 2TD week one game.

He makes mistakes but what quarterback doesnt. We (Raider fans) feel your pain; were stuck with a backup QB as our starter too.
 

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Regardless of how the game actually ends, I'm encouraged by what I've seen from my 49ers this year. They're playing hard and they're playing right up until the final second. It's a pretty big improvement in attitude and effort from last year.

The rest will come. A few more additions to the defense and a little more experience and I think they'll start winning these types of games.
 

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hoops4kings said:
This is a game they should have won. I'm not too encouraged by the way they gave this one away. Kinda predicted it.
They should have won? I quit expecting the 49ers to WIN quite a while back.

Our defense still has a lot of problems. No matter how much the offense steps up, they can't do it all. 31 points should have been enough to win the game but you can NEVER count the Cowboys out in a 49ers-Cowboy match-up. And both teams seem to have the ability (and drive) to really want to make the home fans miserable.

My only worry at this point is I certainly hope Arnaz Battle didn't do any serious injury to his foot/ankle.
 
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Congrats to the niners. Told you those 4 points at the half would cost us. And guess what? We lost by 3.
 

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^^That's not quite fair, BIC.

Sorry I started the whole thing.

I - PERSONALLY - am very glad to see the 49ers putting forth effort again, showing pride in themselves and the team. I don't expect them to become champions again over night. That's just me.

ONEZERO has a right to his opinion. I just hate to see people who call themselves fans make comments more troll-like than supportive.

Oh well...

Now, let's not let this dissolve any further from the topic at hand, okay?
 
i thought that 2 point conversion was bull, but i thought they played well, especially lloyd with the 2, i hate the cowboys, they did that to the seahawks too on a monday night, and they are the reason i lost my fantasty football game last week. Those punks gave up 2 td's to santana moss with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
 
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They should have won? I quit expecting the 49ers to WIN quite a while back.

Our defense still has a lot of problems. No matter how much the offense steps up, they can't do it all. 31 points should have been enough to win the game but you can NEVER count the Cowboys out in a 49ers-Cowboy match-up. And both teams seem to have the ability (and drive) to really want to make the home fans miserable.

My only worry at this point is I certainly hope Arnaz Battle didn't do any serious injury to his foot/ankle.
Up 31-19 in the 4th, yes they should have won this game. Costly bonehead penalties, bad execution and flat out lack of being able to close the deal lead to this "choke" loss. I too don't expect them to win all that often but c'mon? This game was very winnable and when you lead a team for 58 out of 60 minutes it's very realistic to think this is one game that they should have won.

The defense has problems with being consistent, but today the offense blew it when it really counted. Also that must have been one of the dumbest play calls on 3rd and 2 when they tried that end around. Stupid call. Best to go with a quick slant or a throw to the tight end. That was way too risky and it lead to Dallas' go ahead TD. I'm not encouraged by this way of losing. it's worse than getting blown out. We lost a lot of games last year that were close going into the 4th quarter. This year is a transitional year, but I think we'll be seeing a pattern of not being able to close out games where it looks like we should win. It sucks. Being a fan for 30 years, this is harken back to 1979 and the 2-14 years. At least then we had a good offense, but a crummy defense, and DeBerg would pull a Tim Rattay with patented 4th quarter INT's. BTW, that was Rattay's 11th 4th quarter INT. Pattern? Yep. Even if it was tipped, the receiver was blanketed. Bad decision. I even said, "watch, here comes the INT!"....I was just being sarcastic, but then it HAPPENS! UGH!

Anyway, I'm just venting. I really thought, and still do think, that this team is better than last years, but if they keep giving up big leads this is gonna be an even longer year than I thought.

And I too hope that the Battle is ok.
 

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^^I understand, believe me I do...

I've been a 49er fan since the mid-1950s. I have seen them SO HORRIBLE that even thinking about picking them to win in a football pool was beyond comprehension. I, too, recall the days of 2-14 - and the years when at least one of those 2 would be because the other team just tried for the entire game to lose.

I lived through the good years of Montana and Young. I survived the tenure of Jeff Garcia and the attempts (I thought at the time) of Dr. York to totally scuttle the team.

So, this year, with Coach Nolan, Alex Smith in our future, some surprisingly good talent like Battle, and a reason to think the future might just not be dismal and gloomy, I guess I'm a little more patient.

Frustrated? Oh yeah - my daughter is a Cowboys fan. I'm already ducking her phone calls. It isn't going to be pretty.

I really should have put the winking ;) emoticon after my first comments. But, as another long-suffering 49er fan, you know as well as I do that it's gonna take a while for us to quit thinking that they'll find a way to lose, no matter how big the lead.

;)
 
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Troll? Only support them when they win? Yeah, that's why I've been a fan for 12-13+ years. That's why I watch all the games. That's why I wear my jersey with pride no matter the outcome of the game. That's why I've still supported them the last few years despite no playoffs appearances and a 2-14 record last year.

I take losses and victories very personal. Now, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know, but what I do know is that I aint no troll nor do I only support them when they win. Last year, I probably wouldn't have made any frustrating comments because I knew that they weren't a good team. Did I still support them? Hell yeah. Now this year I feel that we are a good team. And I'm sorry, I don't buy into that assumption that I'm not worried that they lost and I'm still happy to see the effort they put in. They have a chance to win a lot of games this year and make the playoffs. Championship over night? No ones expecting them to win the championship over night, including me. But what I do want and what I do expect from this team is to win the division. Even with this loss coupled with the rams and seahawks winning, we are only out by 1 game in the division, including a win against a division rival and condender in the rams.
 
ONEZERO said:
They have a chance to win a lot of games this year and make the playoffs.
The Raiders are in the same boat. Weak division and losing close games. IMO the 49ers just arent good enough to go from 2-14 to the playoffs in one season. The 49ers are a young team and like VF21 said they need experience and with experience comes winning close games. I wouldnt have expectations as high as the playoffs this year because there are just too many little issues (some mental) that take time to overcome. I was raised a 49er fan and have always been a supporter but my heart is with the Raiders and from what I see, they look like they have the same problems.

Be happy with 1 win. Look at the talent the Raiders have and we're 0-3.
 
Of course you were going to see me in here :)

With that smiley said, I must say I was impressed with the defensive intensity by the Niners. I am not a Rattay fan as expressed earlier so it's not fair for me to comment and be unbiased. I am also not a Bledsoe fan so I guess that evens out.

I was expecting us to walk all over the Niners after what the Eagles did to you guys last week. I am happy with the win but more impressed with the Niners overall play compared to our comeback play. It IMO shouldn't have gotten to that for us and they should of been playing on offense like that the entire game. I noticed the same conservative style play last week. It drives me nuts.

It's a Niners thread so I won't hijack it. Anyway I haven't called back the 3 messages from Niners fan on my VM from halftime. I should catch up on those!
 

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^^I was waiting for you to show up, BW. :D

There were a couple of times I thought I was looking at ANY team but the Cowboys. I just don't care for Parcells' style of coaching or play. Never have, and apparently never will... If I was a Cowboys fan, I would be sorely tempted to set off a few bottle rockets in his direction, just to wake his arse up!

;)
 
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^^I was waiting for you to show up, BW. :D

There were a couple of times I thought I was looking at ANY team but the Cowboys. I just don't care for Parcells' style of coaching or play. Never have, and apparently never will... If I was a Cowboys fan, I would be sorely tempted to set off a few bottle rockets in his direction, just to wake his arse up!

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Why would I want to do that. He is the reason we are a better team. I was very pleased with the outcome. Go Cowboys!!!
 
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Why would I want to do that. He is the reason we are a better team. I was very pleased with the outcome. Go Cowboys!!!
lol...... i bet u didnt think you were a better team when it was halftime..... its all good we will meet again........
 
<sighs>


A good example of stealing a defeat from the jaws of victory.


I'm a Cowboy hater and to lose to Dallas really hurts. I really thought we
had win this one late.:(

The defense let us down once again. Especially he secondary!
 
I think this game put the win over the Rams into a little perspective too. We nearly blew that halftime lead too. It's going to be one of those seasons. Hope Peterson's hammy isn't to serious.
 
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i hope we beat the cardinals next week........ cuz after that we have the colts.... and i would hate to see us go down 1-4
 
Ouch!!

VF21Frustrated? Oh yeah - my daughter is a Cowboys fan. I'm already ducking her phone calls. It isn't going to be pretty.[/QUOTE said:
At least you can duck yours VF. My Cowboys fan was sitting next to me at the 'stick rubbing it in all the way home. I may sleep on the couch to keep her from grabbing my throat and making choking sounds!:mad:
 
I'm just glad we're playing better after last year well I won't go there. We may not be winning but we will and as long as there's hope I'm OK. I got ragged enough last year to last me a lifetime, but losing to the Cowboys is the worst!!:mad:
VF-I'm sorry about your daughter, you ever thought of putting her up for adoption?;)
 
Some things never change. I don't know who our defensive backs coach is but he ought to be fired. How many years in a row now have our Corners been playing 5 yards off the line and giving the opposition anything underneath? Killed us yesterday on Johnson's TD and 2 pt conversion (that wasn't...what did the replay official not see about the receiver only having one foot down...amazing) in the fourth quarter. And why we abandoned the off tackle runs infavor of right up the gut I'll never know.
 
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We had a real good chance of going 3-1 next week against arizona. Damn. And still some feel that were not good enough to even attempt at the playoffs. Why? I have no idea.
 

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Apparently, those of you who were really mad are in pretty good company...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13627669p-14470132c.html

The 49er unfaithful
Coach Mike Nolan points the finger of blame at players who ignored their instructions
By Matthew Barrows -- Bee Staff Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - The words were a bit cryptic, but the message Sunday was clear.

Following the 49ers' 34-31 loss to Dallas in which his team blew a 12-point, fourth-quarter lead, a seething Mike Nolan blamed the breakdowns that fueled the Cowboys' comeback on a lack of "trust," a word he used repeatedly in a postgame rant.

"When you call a defensive or offensive play, a player can do what he's supposed to do or think he knows better and do what he wants to do," the coach said through a clenched jaw. "I'm getting a clearer picture of who's a part of this and who possibly will not be a part of this."

Whether that meant changes in the starting lineup or even to the 53-man roster was unclear. "There might be," Nolan said when asked about pending roster maneuvers. The coach declined to point out the plays that miffed him most or those players who were bucking the team concept.

What came through loud and clear is that Nolan won't tolerate the same losing attitude that hung like a persistent fog over last season's dreadful squad. And if that means shaking up the team, so be it.

"It's unacceptable to lose that game," he said. "We're not a 2-14 football team. When all of a sudden you start thinking you're a 2-14 football team, that's an OK performance. I want our players to know that is unacceptable."

Nolan has reason for concern.

The 49ers (1-2) followed a script that seemed ripped from 2004, racing to a big lead, only to lose it in a flurry of second-half mistakes.

After last week's rotten performance at Philadelphia, quarterback Tim Rattay looked sharp and in command early against Dallas (2-1).

On the 49ers' first possession, he led an 11-play drive that he capped with a 15-yard touchdown pass to a diving Arnaz Battle. After the Cowboys cut the lead to 7-6, Rattay answered with an 89-yard touchdown pass to Brandon Lloyd. The play, in which Lloyd outran the Cowboys' secondary for the final 50 yards, was the longest in both players' careers and the sixth-longest touchdown strike in team history.

But it was a missed opportunity at the end of the first half that was the difference in the end.

Ahead 21-12, the 49ers seemed poised for another touchdown when Kevan Barlow took a short pass to the Cowboys' 1. Barlow, however, was stuffed for no gain on first down, and on second down Rattay fumbled the snap and fell on the ball.

With 30 seconds left, the 49ers seemed to have enough time for one more pass in the end zone. Instead, Rattay was told to spike the ball, which he did with 18 seconds remaining. At that point, Joe Nedney kicked a 20-yard field goal.

Nolan afterward said a typical play takes about 18 seconds and he wanted to come away with at least three points.

"I thought it was too risky," he said of a third-down pass.

The 49ers continued to squander opportunities in the second half.

The fourth-quarter woes that plagued Rattay last season - he had 10 turnovers in the final period a year ago - reappeared with two more interceptions. On the first, the ball was tipped at the line of scrimmage and hauled in by linebacker Al Singleton. The second came in the final minutes after the Cowboys had taken their first lead.

Trying to rally the 49ers with just one minute remaining, Rattay tried to force the ball to receiver Otis Amey on a slant. That pass also was tipped and fluttered into the arms of Dallas linebacker Dat Nguyen.

Afterward, Rattay was asked if this was the most disappointing loss of which he has been a part. "Absolutely," the quarterback said. "I didn't make any plays at the end. I take full responsibility for this loss on the offensive side."
 

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And another article:

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13627671p-14470125c.html

49ers defense is defenseless
By Matthew Barrows and Jim Jenkins -- Bee Staff Writers

SAN FRANCISCO - Julian Peterson may have guaranteed a win Sunday, but he wasn't on the field to back it up.

The 49ers linebacker strained his right hamstring midway through the fourth quarter and was on the sideline when Drew Bledsoe drove the Cowboys 76 yards for the game-winning touchdown. The 49ers' entered the game with the worst defense in the league, and after giving up 443 yards Sunday, it's a safe bet they'll keep that distinction for at least one more week.

Peterson said he badly wanted to be on the field at the end but didn't want to hurt the team. He also said there was a little strategy behind last week's guarantee, which for most of the game looked like it would hold.

"We didn't want that Philly loss to make us lose two games," he said of the 42-3 blowout to the Eagles. "I wanted to make sure everybody came to play. That's why I made my guarantee."

Dallas coach Bill Parcells understood Peterson's ploy.

"He's a good player, that kid," Parcells said. "I'm sure he was trying to put a little pressure on his team to respond positively."

Sea of blue - Quarterback Tim Rattay wanted to conduct the team's final drive out of the shotgun, but he said the crowd noise forced him under center. The problem with that scenario? Most of that noise was coming from Cowboys fans, who seemed to make up about a third of the Monster Park crowd.

"It sounded almost like a home game for them," receiver Otis Amey said.

After a Week 1 win over the St. Louis Rams, coach Mike Nolan made a point of thanking the home crowd for its support. His message after this one?

"I'd like our 49ers fans to keep their tickets," he said. "That would be nice."

Sea of yellow - In their first two games, the 49ers committed a total of seven penalties, the lowest figure in the NFL. They more than matched that Sunday, committing eight for 67 yards.

Passing Joe - Off his 363-yard effort against the 49ers, Dallas' Drew Bledsoe passed Joe Montana for eighth place on the NFL's all-time list for regular-season passing yardage. Bledsoe now has 40,658. Montana finished his career with 40,551. In first place is Dan Marino with 61,361. Said Bledsoe of nudging past Montana:

"He's a guy I really admired. It's something I can tell my grandchildren someday."

Et cetera - Brandon Lloyd's 89-yard touchdown catch for the 49ers in the second quarter was the second-longest pass ever completed against the Cowboys. ... Bledsoe's streak of not throwing an interception through Dallas' four preseason games and two regular-season contests ended when he was picked off twice by San Francisco.

Injuries - In addition to Peterson, receiver Arnaz Battle (hamstring) and cornerback Ahmed Plummer (groin) were injured. All three are questionable for Sunday's game in Mexico City.

The Bee's Matthew Barrows can be reached at mbarrows@sacbee.com