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i know ive been a real rattay hater lately, but honestly, dont we have the worst starting qb in the league? look at all the starting qb's in the league and i would take any of them over rattay.
afc west: plummer, collins, brees, and green.
afc east: brady, pennington, losman, and frerrote
afc north: palmer, rothlesberger, boller, dilfer
afc south: mcnair, manning, leftwich, carr
nfc west(without rattay): bulger, hasselbeck, warner(i would take rattay over him, but only cause of how slow warner is)
nfc east: mcnabb, bledsoe, manning, brunnell
nfc north: favre, cullpepper, harrington, chicagos always hurt so im not even gonna count them.
nfc south: vick, griese, delhomme, brooks.
afc west: plummer, collins, brees, and green.
afc east: brady, pennington, losman, and frerrote
afc north: palmer, rothlesberger, boller, dilfer
afc south: mcnair, manning, leftwich, carr
nfc west(without rattay): bulger, hasselbeck, warner(i would take rattay over him, but only cause of how slow warner is)
nfc east: mcnabb, bledsoe, manning, brunnell
nfc north: favre, cullpepper, harrington, chicagos always hurt so im not even gonna count them.
nfc south: vick, griese, delhomme, brooks.
Tim Rattay was never really supposed to be the starting QB. He was backup to Garcia and then all the hopes were that Ken Dorsey would eventually step up and be the next great 49er QB. Right now, Rattay is filling Smith's spot...
It's not a matter of us taking another QB over him. It's making the best of what you have at the time...
It's not a matter of us taking another QB over him. It's making the best of what you have at the time...
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At least we're playing better from what I can tell. I actually get to see them play this Sunday.
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CraigRMassei
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Posted: 9/28/05 1:29:21 pm
Winborn leaves 49ers - team seeking trade
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Jamie Winborn has left the 49ers at the suggestion of coach Mike Nolan, and the team is currently attempting to work out a trade with another team for the fifth-year linebacker, whose name plate already had been removed from above his stall Wednesday in the team locker room.
i wonder what happened? winborn was doing good and is a great linebacker
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Posted: 9/28/05 1:29:21 pm
Winborn leaves 49ers - team seeking trade
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Jamie Winborn has left the 49ers at the suggestion of coach Mike Nolan, and the team is currently attempting to work out a trade with another team for the fifth-year linebacker, whose name plate already had been removed from above his stall Wednesday in the team locker room.
i wonder what happened? winborn was doing good and is a great linebacker
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) - Linebacker Jamie Winborn cleaned out his locker and left the San Francisco 49ers on Wednesday as the club abruptly announced plans to trade the former starter.
Winborn lost his job to converted defensive end Andre Carter last week, and coach Mike Nolan suggested the fifth-year pro should stay away while the 49ers find him a new home.
"He sees himself as a starter, and I would tend to agree with that," Nolan said. "It just won't be here."
Winborn's departure is the biggest move yet in a promised shakeup by Nolan, who hasn't been pleased with the 49ers (1-2) after consecutive losses. Nolan said he already received several inquiries from teams seeking the speedy linebacker, who has showed flashes of brilliance since the 49ers drafted him out of Vanderbilt in 2001.
Winborn's teammates were surprised by the swiftness of his departure from San Francisco, where he never played a full season because of injuries. He was among the 49ers' fastest players, earning the nickname "Speed Limit" because of his No. 55 jersey.
But Winborn developed a reputation for sometimes playing without discipline and relying on his athleticism to cover it. Nolan hasn't specifically criticized Winborn, but after last week's 34-31 loss to Dallas, he was furious about unnamed players who refused to trust the coaching staff's schemes and decisions.
"I guess it's a good situation," said linebacker Julian Peterson, who praised Winborn's leadership and locker-room levity. "It's all part of the business. He just wanted to go in his own direction right now. It's hard to keep rotating two good, talented guys like (Winborn and Carter)."
Winborn had 104 tackles and a career-high 4 1/2 sacks last season while starting 10 games. but for the third straight year, he was injured at the end of the season, missing the final two games with a shoulder problem.
Carter, who also joined the 49ers in 2001 as the seventh overall pick, spent his first four NFL seasons as an average defensive end before Nolan moved him to linebacker in the coach's new 3-4 defensive scheme. Finally pain-free after a series of back problems, Carter has adapted quickly to his new responsibilities.
"It's weird for this to happen with Jamie, but he's moving on to do bigger and better things, hopefully, and I'll do bigger and better things," Carter said. "Me and Jamie were just talking about the draft class of 2001, how there were only four of us left. Now there's only three."
Carter and backup Corey Smith both said they learned important aspects of the job by watching Winborn and Peterson. Derek Smith and Jeff Ulbrich are the other two starters in the 49ers' impressive corps of linebackers, which was among the main reasons Nolan converted the defense to a 3-4 scheme this season.
But Nolan, the former defensive coordinator for Baltimore, Washington and both New York clubs, is making several adjustments after his club gave up a league-high 101 points in the first three games. He switched positions for two defensive backs on Monday, moving Michael Adams to safety and putting Mike Rumph back at cornerback.
But Rumph hurt his foot in practice Wednesday and was scheduled to undergo an MRI exam. Ahmed Plummer, the 49ers' starting cornerback opposite Shawntae Spencer, will have arthroscopic surgery Thursday on his ankle, keeping him out at least three weeks.
Winborn lost his job to converted defensive end Andre Carter last week, and coach Mike Nolan suggested the fifth-year pro should stay away while the 49ers find him a new home.
"He sees himself as a starter, and I would tend to agree with that," Nolan said. "It just won't be here."
Winborn's departure is the biggest move yet in a promised shakeup by Nolan, who hasn't been pleased with the 49ers (1-2) after consecutive losses. Nolan said he already received several inquiries from teams seeking the speedy linebacker, who has showed flashes of brilliance since the 49ers drafted him out of Vanderbilt in 2001.
Winborn's teammates were surprised by the swiftness of his departure from San Francisco, where he never played a full season because of injuries. He was among the 49ers' fastest players, earning the nickname "Speed Limit" because of his No. 55 jersey.
But Winborn developed a reputation for sometimes playing without discipline and relying on his athleticism to cover it. Nolan hasn't specifically criticized Winborn, but after last week's 34-31 loss to Dallas, he was furious about unnamed players who refused to trust the coaching staff's schemes and decisions.
"I guess it's a good situation," said linebacker Julian Peterson, who praised Winborn's leadership and locker-room levity. "It's all part of the business. He just wanted to go in his own direction right now. It's hard to keep rotating two good, talented guys like (Winborn and Carter)."
Winborn had 104 tackles and a career-high 4 1/2 sacks last season while starting 10 games. but for the third straight year, he was injured at the end of the season, missing the final two games with a shoulder problem.
Carter, who also joined the 49ers in 2001 as the seventh overall pick, spent his first four NFL seasons as an average defensive end before Nolan moved him to linebacker in the coach's new 3-4 defensive scheme. Finally pain-free after a series of back problems, Carter has adapted quickly to his new responsibilities.
"It's weird for this to happen with Jamie, but he's moving on to do bigger and better things, hopefully, and I'll do bigger and better things," Carter said. "Me and Jamie were just talking about the draft class of 2001, how there were only four of us left. Now there's only three."
Carter and backup Corey Smith both said they learned important aspects of the job by watching Winborn and Peterson. Derek Smith and Jeff Ulbrich are the other two starters in the 49ers' impressive corps of linebackers, which was among the main reasons Nolan converted the defense to a 3-4 scheme this season.
But Nolan, the former defensive coordinator for Baltimore, Washington and both New York clubs, is making several adjustments after his club gave up a league-high 101 points in the first three games. He switched positions for two defensive backs on Monday, moving Michael Adams to safety and putting Mike Rumph back at cornerback.
But Rumph hurt his foot in practice Wednesday and was scheduled to undergo an MRI exam. Ahmed Plummer, the 49ers' starting cornerback opposite Shawntae Spencer, will have arthroscopic surgery Thursday on his ankle, keeping him out at least three weeks.
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heres some more bad news...
49ers | Rumph Likely Done for 2005
Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:56:49 -0700
SF49ers.com reports an MRI on San Francisco 49ers CB Mike Rumph's (foot) injured foot revealed Rumph had in fact torn his plantar fascia, the same injury that ended TE Eric Johnson's season. Rumph is expected to go on Injured Reserve Thursday, Sept. 29, the second year in a row his season has ended due to injury.
49ers | Rumph Likely Done for 2005
Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:56:49 -0700
SF49ers.com reports an MRI on San Francisco 49ers CB Mike Rumph's (foot) injured foot revealed Rumph had in fact torn his plantar fascia, the same injury that ended TE Eric Johnson's season. Rumph is expected to go on Injured Reserve Thursday, Sept. 29, the second year in a row his season has ended due to injury.
Here's the info from the Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13641171p-14483522c.html
Call Winborn a former 49er; Rumph hurt, out
By Matthew Barrows -- Bee Staff Writer
SANTA CLARA - An already reeling 49ers defense took a double jolt Wednesday when cornerback Mike Rumph was lost for the season with a foot injury and linebacker Jamie Winborn was sent looking for a new team.
Players arrived at work Wednesday morning surprised to find Winborn's locker empty and his nameplate removed. Later, coach Mike Nolan, who had hinted at a locker-room shake-up earlier in the week, told the team he was trying to trade Winborn, a former starter and one of the most popular players on the team.
"It's very unusual," friend and fellow linebacker Julian Peterson said. "In basketball, it's very frequent that you see people get traded during the season. For us, it's been kind of weird because it was the first time experiencing it."
The first indication that Winborn had fallen out of favor with Nolan came Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys when, for the first time this season, Andre Carter started ahead of him at outside linebacker and Corey Smith filled in as the primary backup.
Though Winborn remains under contract with the 49ers - he is scheduled to become a free agent at the end of the season - he has been advised by Nolan not to attend practice until he finds a new team.
Asked if he would cut Winborn if he can't be traded, Nolan said, "I'm not at that point yet."
Rumph, meanwhile, was injured during his first practice since being moved from free safety to cornerback. A team spokesman said the injury was identical to the one suffered by tight end Eric Johnson last week - a tear to the band of muscles on the underside of his foot. Like Johnson, Rumph was placed on the injured reserve list, ending his season.
That news came on the same day cornerback Ahmed Plummer announced he would have surgery to remove a bone fragment from his left ankle, a procedure that will cost him at least three weeks. That means either Willie Middlebrooks or Derrick Johnson will start at cornerback Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals' formidable receiving corps.
Middlebrooks, a five-year veteran, spent training camp with the 49ers before being cut Sept. 3. He was re-signed Wednesday. Johnson is a rookie who has received scant playing time this season.
"I'm looking for someone to take the (cornerback) job, seriously," said Nolan, who has watched his team give up a league-high 101 points through three games. "We've got to find another guy."
Rumph also missed most of the 2004 season after breaking his forearm Oct. 3 against the St. Louis Rams. He was moved to free safety during the offseason, an experiment that was declared a bust this week after he gave up several big plays in the team's first three games.
As for Winborn, Nolan said the linebacker's departure had more to do with Carter's and Smith's solid play than anything Winborn had done.
"This is not in any way - and I want to emphasize that - a reflection of anything that Jamie has done negatively," Nolan said. "This is not a discipline thing or anything like that. Jamie sees himself as a starter, which I would tend to agree with him ... but at this time it will not be here."
Still, the odd maneuver came three days after Nolan lashed out against players he indicated he felt were freelancing during the team's 34-31 loss to the Cowboys. Winborn didn't play much in that game, but the athletic linebacker has a reputation for overrunning plays and being out of position.
Peterson said Winborn, like any competitor, didn't want to give up his starting role. Asked if he felt that Winborn had landed in Nolan's doghouse, Peterson said he wasn't sure.
"I guess the coaches wanted something else," he said. "Jamie was a potential star, and 'Dre (Carter) is a star, too. So it's kind of hard to keep two great, talented guys like that."
Fullback Fred Beasley also has seen his playing time diminish under the Nolan regime. Beasley called Winborn a "locker-room favorite" and said he wasn't sure what kind of message Nolan was trying to send.
"But hey, they made a decision they thought was best for the team," Beasley said. "If getting rid of Jamie is best for the team, then we're all for it. I'm just an employee. I work for the 49ers. I don't make decisions around here. I've just got to do what I've got to do."
Nolan said several teams have inquired about Winborn.
The Bee's Matthew Barrows can be reached at mbarrows@sacbee.com.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13641171p-14483522c.html
Call Winborn a former 49er; Rumph hurt, out
By Matthew Barrows -- Bee Staff Writer
SANTA CLARA - An already reeling 49ers defense took a double jolt Wednesday when cornerback Mike Rumph was lost for the season with a foot injury and linebacker Jamie Winborn was sent looking for a new team.
Players arrived at work Wednesday morning surprised to find Winborn's locker empty and his nameplate removed. Later, coach Mike Nolan, who had hinted at a locker-room shake-up earlier in the week, told the team he was trying to trade Winborn, a former starter and one of the most popular players on the team.
"It's very unusual," friend and fellow linebacker Julian Peterson said. "In basketball, it's very frequent that you see people get traded during the season. For us, it's been kind of weird because it was the first time experiencing it."
The first indication that Winborn had fallen out of favor with Nolan came Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys when, for the first time this season, Andre Carter started ahead of him at outside linebacker and Corey Smith filled in as the primary backup.
Though Winborn remains under contract with the 49ers - he is scheduled to become a free agent at the end of the season - he has been advised by Nolan not to attend practice until he finds a new team.
Asked if he would cut Winborn if he can't be traded, Nolan said, "I'm not at that point yet."
Rumph, meanwhile, was injured during his first practice since being moved from free safety to cornerback. A team spokesman said the injury was identical to the one suffered by tight end Eric Johnson last week - a tear to the band of muscles on the underside of his foot. Like Johnson, Rumph was placed on the injured reserve list, ending his season.
That news came on the same day cornerback Ahmed Plummer announced he would have surgery to remove a bone fragment from his left ankle, a procedure that will cost him at least three weeks. That means either Willie Middlebrooks or Derrick Johnson will start at cornerback Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals' formidable receiving corps.
Middlebrooks, a five-year veteran, spent training camp with the 49ers before being cut Sept. 3. He was re-signed Wednesday. Johnson is a rookie who has received scant playing time this season.
"I'm looking for someone to take the (cornerback) job, seriously," said Nolan, who has watched his team give up a league-high 101 points through three games. "We've got to find another guy."
Rumph also missed most of the 2004 season after breaking his forearm Oct. 3 against the St. Louis Rams. He was moved to free safety during the offseason, an experiment that was declared a bust this week after he gave up several big plays in the team's first three games.
As for Winborn, Nolan said the linebacker's departure had more to do with Carter's and Smith's solid play than anything Winborn had done.
"This is not in any way - and I want to emphasize that - a reflection of anything that Jamie has done negatively," Nolan said. "This is not a discipline thing or anything like that. Jamie sees himself as a starter, which I would tend to agree with him ... but at this time it will not be here."
Still, the odd maneuver came three days after Nolan lashed out against players he indicated he felt were freelancing during the team's 34-31 loss to the Cowboys. Winborn didn't play much in that game, but the athletic linebacker has a reputation for overrunning plays and being out of position.
Peterson said Winborn, like any competitor, didn't want to give up his starting role. Asked if he felt that Winborn had landed in Nolan's doghouse, Peterson said he wasn't sure.
"I guess the coaches wanted something else," he said. "Jamie was a potential star, and 'Dre (Carter) is a star, too. So it's kind of hard to keep two great, talented guys like that."
Fullback Fred Beasley also has seen his playing time diminish under the Nolan regime. Beasley called Winborn a "locker-room favorite" and said he wasn't sure what kind of message Nolan was trying to send.
"But hey, they made a decision they thought was best for the team," Beasley said. "If getting rid of Jamie is best for the team, then we're all for it. I'm just an employee. I work for the 49ers. I don't make decisions around here. I've just got to do what I've got to do."
Nolan said several teams have inquired about Winborn.
The Bee's Matthew Barrows can be reached at mbarrows@sacbee.com.
