Nik Stauskas

Should Nik Stauskas start the last 2 games?

  • NO- He does not deserve to get a start

    Votes: 8 40.0%

  • NO- He may ruin the little trade value he has

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • YES- Let's see if he has any game

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • YES- He may go off and INCREASE his trade value 10X

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
206Fan said:
I don't think I'm missing the point. Like Green, Nik is a very unique player with a versatile skill set. He has the ability to handle the ball and create for his teammates. He also has the length to guard positions 1-3, but he doesn't have the size. There's no reason why we couldn't play a lineup of McLemore and Stauskas together.



You said:

I provided you with playoff teams that play out of position in starting lineups. My point is that there is nothing wrong with having a starting lineup without a traditional PG-SG-SF-PF-C at each and every position.

I'm thinking that we have different definitions of "positionless basketball".

I think positionless basketball is when a starting lineup doesn't have a traditional 1-2-3-4-5 at every slot.

For example, I pulled out the Raptors. They have Lowry-DeRozan-Ross-Johnson-Valanciunus. This is positionless basketball because Ross is out of position. He's more of a SG who's playing SF. That is a magnified tiny example of positonless basketball. It's what we'd see if we had Nik in the starting lineup.

An example of a heavy positonless basketball team are the Bucks.
They have MCW-Middleton-Giannis-Ilyasova-Zaza
Middleton is a combo SG/SF. He has the length and size to guard positions 1-3, but he plays as the "2" here because of his teammates around him. Giannis is 6'11 and ATHLETIC, but he can't shoot too well yet, and he doesn't have the weight..so he plays the "3". Ilyasova is a lengthy "4" who has a lot of game around the perimeter. He's a "stretch 4" in this lineup.
None of those three players are natural at their current positions if you're going by the traditional 2-3-4. They're just put together in a lineup because they compliment another.

That right there, is positionless basketball imo. A lot of the league has at least 1 player out of position in their starting lineup. People over look this because it's not a huge change. Many people think of 5 guards at the same time, or 4 D-Wills on the floor at the same time when they think about positionless basketball, but that's not how I see it.

Even if Green is a unique player, the Warriors STILL have positionless basektball incorporated into their team. Green is not a traditional 4, and he's really more of a small forward/elite wing type of player.
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You are what you can defend. If you can defend multiple positions, then you can play multiple positions (thus not being played out of position). Stauskas is still adjusting to SGs. If you try to have him defend the quickness of PGs or strength of SFs, then he's in for a world of hurt.

Draymond can guard PFs so the Warriors have success with him playing there.
Ross can handle some SFs but if you ask him to guard stronger PFs, the Raptors are going to struggle. This is my point.
MCW, Middleton, & Giannis can guard multiple positions therefore they can play multiple positions.

The point being playing a player out of position (meaning they can't defend that position) is a recipe for disaster. Positionless basketball often results in players actually being played out of position rather than having players who can defend multiple positions. This is what I am against. Versatility has always been around the NBA. It's when teams and coaches try to force versatility is when the problem begins to occur.
 
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206Fan said:
I don't think I'm missing the point. Like Green, Nik is a very unique player with a versatile skill set. He has the ability to handle the ball and create for his teammates. He also has the length to guard positions 1-3, but he doesn't have the size. There's no reason why we couldn't play a lineup of McLemore and Stauskas together.
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That's the reason why you can't play them together. You just gave the reason, then said there was no reason? He isn't strong enough or a good enough defender or rebounder to have any business playing the 3. He isn't a good enough ball handler and set up guy to play the 1 next to Ben. He can play either of those positions if you have better ballhandling somewhere or a lot better rebounding/defense from Mclemore. We don't.

They don't compliment each other right now because they are both incredibly mediocre to poor starters.
 
twslam07 said:
You are what you can defend. If you can defend multiple positions, then you can play multiple positions (thus not being played out of position). Stauskas is still adjusting to SGs. If you try to have him defend the quickness of PGs or strength of SFs, then he's in for a world of hurt.

Draymond can guard PFs so the Warriors have success with him playing there.
Ross can handle some SFs but if you ask him to guard stronger PFs, the Raptors are going to struggle. This is my point.
MCW, Middleton, & Giannis can guard multiple positions therefore they can play multiple positions.

The point being playing a player out of position (meaning they can't defend that position) is a recipe for disaster. Positionless basketball often results in players actually being played out of position rather than having players who can defend multiple positions. This is what I am against. Versatility has always been around the NBA. It's when teams and coaches try to force versatility is when the problem begins to occur.
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The thing is that the Kings heavily talked about NBA 3.0 and positionless basketball..let's be real, we never even touched that side of the field this year. We didn't try any cherry pickings, and we've barely had D-Will start any games..if any. The only time JT was out of the starting lineup was when Karl started experimenting with the roster, but aside from that, we've never touched basis of NBA 3.0.

Our lineup has always been Collison/Ben/Rudy/JT/Cuz. Switch out Collison for Ray.

People make positionless basketball sound like such a huge terrible idea, when in reality, it's not. Teams have been very very successful with players out of traditional position, but they've just never called it positonless basketball. The Kings basically invented that term and trademarked it. Ironically, we're the ones who haven't really tried it yet.
 
206Fan said:
The thing is that the Kings heavily talked about NBA 3.0 and positionless basketball..let's be real, we never even touched that side of the field this year. We didn't try any cherry pickings, and we've barely had D-Will start any games..if any. The only time JT was out of the starting lineup was when Karl started experimenting with the roster, but aside from that, we've never touched basis of NBA 3.0.

Our lineup has always been Collison/Ben/Rudy/JT/Cuz. Switch out Collison for Ray.

People make positionless basketball sound like such a huge terrible idea, when in reality, it's not. Teams have been very very successful with players out of traditional position, but they've just never called it positonless basketball. The Kings basically invented that term and trademarked it. Ironically, we're the ones who haven't really tried it yet.
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I'm not arguing if we've tried it this year. We we're originally arguing about Stauskas playing SF which would be playing him out of position since he can't guard SFs. I took that as being for positionless basketball (that is the positionless basketball that plays people out of position).

The other "positionless basketball" you speak of would be called versatile basketball in my books and it's not a style you play. It's indicative of your roster. You can't play versatile basketball. You either have the personnel to play it or you don't. Teams that have players that can guard multiple positions have never been criticized. Never. That's an advantage anyway you look at it.

Playing positionless basketball with the notion that it doesn't matter who you're guarding because there are no positions is lunacy. The Kings have very few players who can guard multiple positions.
 
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I'm disappointed because Nik has not raised his game here at the end of the season. Never-the-less I would have loved to have seen him get a start or two. I hope he comes back pumped up and confident and playing well.
 
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