New Uniforms Unveiled
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To break apart from the "New Logo" Thread - the Kings officially unveiled the new uniforms today.
Here's the link: http://www.nba.com/kings/NewUniforms
Interested to hear the reactions from you all.
Update: here are some images
Here's the link: http://www.nba.com/kings/NewUniforms
Interested to hear the reactions from you all.
Update: here are some images
You asked....
First, they refused to let anyone resell tickets to the finale on ticketmaster all season long - for the whole year that game and only that game was blocked off of the resale market. Unprecedented and made it impossible to get any fair sense of what tickets to that game were "worth".
Then, finally in early April they offered me (and other STH) a "special season ticket holder invitation" to buy extra tickets to the finale, and I did buy a pair - ghastly expensive over $600 for a pair of tix with typical face value more like $200 but hey it was a special opportunity right? Many people I read on twitter were saying "wtf no way" at the prices but I bit on 'em.
Then a week later they offered me a second "special opportunity" and the exact same tickets (same row and section) were about $30 cheaper than they were for my first "special invitation". And they weren't even being grabbed up at that. I knew there had to be a mistake right?
When I called about it, seriously expecting them to cheerfully make good on the price difference AT LEAST ... the ticket office VP stunned me by saying in essence "tough crap - dynamic pricing - the computer algorithm does it - look at the price on this second offer as a discount and you can average down". I was completely floored - hurt by the realization that the STH who got the first special offer... we were the guinea pigs - and the cool reception by most STH to that offer made them ratchet down the price for EVERYBODY ELSE subsequently. And surprised at the lack of any slight effort to make good (knock my price down to the current price or offer to take them back).
My tickets could not be sold for the exhorbitant face value they placed on them (they were advertised here at face value along with other places). In the end I ate a $600 pair of tickets - gave them away. Their entire approach to the final game was not straightforward - did not feel honest - and was pain for me. The game, the event - all awesome and memorable. But the ticket policies.. a misery.
This episode informed my feelings toward the current management, and I won't give the Kings any merchandise $$. I could not force them to take the tickets back or refund the perceived overcharge - that would have been an accommodation - not something I could really lean hard on them about. But I CAN do this: Every hat and shirt and soda and fancy sandwich and popcorn I DON'T buy helps me nibble back at the deficit, and then some. If I can influence anybody else to buy one less shirt or hat or beer... so much the better. I felt they did cutthroat pricing games with me for a few bucks while I spend >$18K in tickets next year and it does not feel right.
The whole thing just made me realize that contrary to what I had previously thought - the season ticket holder is an ATM to them. Nothing more. They have others lined up to step in if I step out, and there is no instinct to treat me fairly, much less special.
Honestly... really have to be honest here... the Maloofs had a tendency to treat their STH much much better - it came naturally to them. They would have apologized when they realized what had happened, refunded the price difference or offered to take them back so fast it would make your head spin. Probably would have comped a future game - they did that kind of thing way more generously than the current group. They weren't perfect - but they were marketing guys and realized that happy ticket holders who buy beers and jerseys and stuff... they make up $60 in one afternoon at the team store. They are raving fans and are valued. Maloofs staff occasionally sent me courtside tix, Genesis concert in the suite, stuff like that. And I was only buying like $5-9K/yr in season tix back then.
the current regime seems to be of the school that something like this will blow over - like it would have been throwing money away to make it right. Well it blew over in the sense that I'm not mad anymore but I am focused on getting the money back plus some. I remember when it was my $60 and it mattered to me and I was stressed about it - they told me to pound sand.
Anyway I will pay for the G1C tickets and enjoy the games and root like hell for the team and Vlade and Dave and DeMarcus and the basketball end... but I won't spend on concessions and merchandise. I won't bite on "special STH offers" naively. I'm a raving fan of the team, and a detractor of ... well ... the money changers in the temple I guess. I think the head ticket guy is probably in synch with the general disposition of the organization and it isn't a good feeling. It all feels kinda Jed York'ish when it comes down to it (yeah I have Niners tix too and it's not only the Kings who treat their ticket holders this way... and I don't buy Niners merch either).
Oh yeah, when the Kings were going all over Sacramento giving away t-shirts and hats and stuff on logo day... yeah you guessed it. I was directed to the team store and invited to pay $$$ if I wanted anything - the freebies were supposedly for first year STH only (but seemed like pretty much everybody on twitter in fact got em). They sent me a window sticker a couple weeks later. People lining up for free tattoos all over Sacramento and they couldn't float a t-shirt or ball cap to their G1C season ticket holders???
By the way - I should be clear - it is not the rank and file ticket guys I have a problem with - those guys are all cool. It is the top line - the policy setters who let me down.
Hope nobody read all that - its boring.
Anyway I love all the uniforms!!! Love em! just won't buy em.
Go Kings.
First, they refused to let anyone resell tickets to the finale on ticketmaster all season long - for the whole year that game and only that game was blocked off of the resale market. Unprecedented and made it impossible to get any fair sense of what tickets to that game were "worth".
Then, finally in early April they offered me (and other STH) a "special season ticket holder invitation" to buy extra tickets to the finale, and I did buy a pair - ghastly expensive over $600 for a pair of tix with typical face value more like $200 but hey it was a special opportunity right? Many people I read on twitter were saying "wtf no way" at the prices but I bit on 'em.
Then a week later they offered me a second "special opportunity" and the exact same tickets (same row and section) were about $30 cheaper than they were for my first "special invitation". And they weren't even being grabbed up at that. I knew there had to be a mistake right?
When I called about it, seriously expecting them to cheerfully make good on the price difference AT LEAST ... the ticket office VP stunned me by saying in essence "tough crap - dynamic pricing - the computer algorithm does it - look at the price on this second offer as a discount and you can average down". I was completely floored - hurt by the realization that the STH who got the first special offer... we were the guinea pigs - and the cool reception by most STH to that offer made them ratchet down the price for EVERYBODY ELSE subsequently. And surprised at the lack of any slight effort to make good (knock my price down to the current price or offer to take them back).
My tickets could not be sold for the exhorbitant face value they placed on them (they were advertised here at face value along with other places). In the end I ate a $600 pair of tickets - gave them away. Their entire approach to the final game was not straightforward - did not feel honest - and was pain for me. The game, the event - all awesome and memorable. But the ticket policies.. a misery.
This episode informed my feelings toward the current management, and I won't give the Kings any merchandise $$. I could not force them to take the tickets back or refund the perceived overcharge - that would have been an accommodation - not something I could really lean hard on them about. But I CAN do this: Every hat and shirt and soda and fancy sandwich and popcorn I DON'T buy helps me nibble back at the deficit, and then some. If I can influence anybody else to buy one less shirt or hat or beer... so much the better. I felt they did cutthroat pricing games with me for a few bucks while I spend >$18K in tickets next year and it does not feel right.
The whole thing just made me realize that contrary to what I had previously thought - the season ticket holder is an ATM to them. Nothing more. They have others lined up to step in if I step out, and there is no instinct to treat me fairly, much less special.
Honestly... really have to be honest here... the Maloofs had a tendency to treat their STH much much better - it came naturally to them. They would have apologized when they realized what had happened, refunded the price difference or offered to take them back so fast it would make your head spin. Probably would have comped a future game - they did that kind of thing way more generously than the current group. They weren't perfect - but they were marketing guys and realized that happy ticket holders who buy beers and jerseys and stuff... they make up $60 in one afternoon at the team store. They are raving fans and are valued. Maloofs staff occasionally sent me courtside tix, Genesis concert in the suite, stuff like that. And I was only buying like $5-9K/yr in season tix back then.
the current regime seems to be of the school that something like this will blow over - like it would have been throwing money away to make it right. Well it blew over in the sense that I'm not mad anymore but I am focused on getting the money back plus some. I remember when it was my $60 and it mattered to me and I was stressed about it - they told me to pound sand.
Anyway I will pay for the G1C tickets and enjoy the games and root like hell for the team and Vlade and Dave and DeMarcus and the basketball end... but I won't spend on concessions and merchandise. I won't bite on "special STH offers" naively. I'm a raving fan of the team, and a detractor of ... well ... the money changers in the temple I guess. I think the head ticket guy is probably in synch with the general disposition of the organization and it isn't a good feeling. It all feels kinda Jed York'ish when it comes down to it (yeah I have Niners tix too and it's not only the Kings who treat their ticket holders this way... and I don't buy Niners merch either).
Oh yeah, when the Kings were going all over Sacramento giving away t-shirts and hats and stuff on logo day... yeah you guessed it. I was directed to the team store and invited to pay $$$ if I wanted anything - the freebies were supposedly for first year STH only (but seemed like pretty much everybody on twitter in fact got em). They sent me a window sticker a couple weeks later. People lining up for free tattoos all over Sacramento and they couldn't float a t-shirt or ball cap to their G1C season ticket holders???
By the way - I should be clear - it is not the rank and file ticket guys I have a problem with - those guys are all cool. It is the top line - the policy setters who let me down.
Hope nobody read all that - its boring.
Anyway I love all the uniforms!!! Love em! just won't buy em.
Go Kings.
Well, that's just a massive bummer.
I agree with you regarding the dynamic pricing BS. I hate it. Even as a non-season ticket holder, I hate it. I know family who have season tickets. And I remember them telling me that they know of people who were able to purchase tickets to games for a much cheaper price than what they paid for as season ticket holders.
I am shocked that they blocked people from reselling tickets online.
I also remember one of my friends who got season tickets, starting next season at the G1C, telling me that they received some pretty sweet merchandise with the new logo. This same friend, upon hearing that only new season ticket holders received the merchandise, actually ended up driving out to one of the Kings stores, and returned the merchandise, claiming that it was unfair that he got all of this awesome merchandise, but long time season ticket holders practically got nothing.
I'll be honest with you, I am not even remotely close to giving up on this regime, as I actually do think that they will be able to work things out with the roster and put a winning product on the floor, and a product we all will be extremely proud of. Maybe I'm biased in that way because, after all, I am Indian. And so is Ranadive.
With all of that being said.......Go Kings! Time to bring home a championship!!!!!
I agree with you regarding the dynamic pricing BS. I hate it. Even as a non-season ticket holder, I hate it. I know family who have season tickets. And I remember them telling me that they know of people who were able to purchase tickets to games for a much cheaper price than what they paid for as season ticket holders.
I am shocked that they blocked people from reselling tickets online.
I also remember one of my friends who got season tickets, starting next season at the G1C, telling me that they received some pretty sweet merchandise with the new logo. This same friend, upon hearing that only new season ticket holders received the merchandise, actually ended up driving out to one of the Kings stores, and returned the merchandise, claiming that it was unfair that he got all of this awesome merchandise, but long time season ticket holders practically got nothing.
I'll be honest with you, I am not even remotely close to giving up on this regime, as I actually do think that they will be able to work things out with the roster and put a winning product on the floor, and a product we all will be extremely proud of. Maybe I'm biased in that way because, after all, I am Indian. And so is Ranadive.
With all of that being said.......Go Kings! Time to bring home a championship!!!!!
That dude is awesome!
I don't really think this stuff is about Vivek. I could not be happier with Vivek - the way he conducted himself as owner during the second season proves he is a really bright and aware guy who is always learning and growing. I think we're in great hands with Vivek Ranadive.
I think it is a Granger/Horn thing. And I think they know exactly what they are doing - its just that they have a different value system. It probably takes a little cutthroat ruthlessness to thrive in those roles.
To think... after twisting our arms to hang in there the last three years at Sleep Train as some sort of downpayment on priority treatment for the new arena - and then to stiff us on the new logo merch?? ugh. Like I said... ATMs
I don't really think this stuff is about Vivek. I could not be happier with Vivek - the way he conducted himself as owner during the second season proves he is a really bright and aware guy who is always learning and growing. I think we're in great hands with Vivek Ranadive.
I think it is a Granger/Horn thing. And I think they know exactly what they are doing - its just that they have a different value system. It probably takes a little cutthroat ruthlessness to thrive in those roles.
To think... after twisting our arms to hang in there the last three years at Sleep Train as some sort of downpayment on priority treatment for the new arena - and then to stiff us on the new logo merch?? ugh. Like I said... ATMs
maybe, but I exceeded my quota of hate on Vivek in the aftermath of the Malone firing... and I like him now. It's his fault he hired Pete and all the bad consequences that came with it... but the cleanup has been surprisingly swift and thorough imo. Probably his fault we're having the silly gummy bear art work in front too but I'm over that. Anyway why mess with a good thing if I can assign it to Phil and Chris.
It depends on who you believe, but I think Vivek is not a micro-manager and that Chris and Phil decide who to comp, how much, who to give t-shirts and hats and concert tickets to, and when to make ticket price accommodations with big picture in focus. They decide to give 4 NCAA tickets per account even if my account has 4 tickets instead of 2. They're responsible for the botched opening night McCartney ticket rollout. They were cryptic and secretive about relocation protocols and pricing, and they are secretive about future pricing plans (expect 20-30% hikes though unless the team is a true train wreck on the floor). They are secretive about what ticket inventory is available... they performed a shell game in declaring a sell-out at an arbitrary number of tickets (simply once the buying petered out they pumped fists in the air and called it a sellout). They insult the intelligence of the fans and never get called on it so maybe they aren't wrong about it - but the "sellout" hypocrisy was pretty funny to me. Anyway I'm sure Vivek leaves them to their work on all this.
I think it was on Phil to fix this ticket situation and I'd never think of kicking it over his head. He was always accessible and responsive I will give him that (I don't bother him anymore post 4/9)... but on this he decided to dig in, for his own reasons, and that's the end of it. Maybe he gets more right than wrong. It is a novelty how Chris and Phil will call you on the phone and be accessible, but in the end they are stubborn - not accommodating. When I tried to get a promise of certain seat location parity in the new arena it was blown off and I was auto-assigned to an inferior spot (remedied ultimately, by me during relocation process - not by any act of management).
I don't think there is a consensus that Phil and Chris are costing Vivek money or social/political capital with their tactics and decisions - so a complaint over their heads would fall on deaf ears I think. And those guys have well honed political machinery singing their praises on social media - they aren't dumb. For me as a fan, I can find fault with the certain business guys who specifically pick my pocket with their specific decisions - and not let it wash over Vivek nor the basketball operations side.
Go Kings! Great uniforms!!
It depends on who you believe, but I think Vivek is not a micro-manager and that Chris and Phil decide who to comp, how much, who to give t-shirts and hats and concert tickets to, and when to make ticket price accommodations with big picture in focus. They decide to give 4 NCAA tickets per account even if my account has 4 tickets instead of 2. They're responsible for the botched opening night McCartney ticket rollout. They were cryptic and secretive about relocation protocols and pricing, and they are secretive about future pricing plans (expect 20-30% hikes though unless the team is a true train wreck on the floor). They are secretive about what ticket inventory is available... they performed a shell game in declaring a sell-out at an arbitrary number of tickets (simply once the buying petered out they pumped fists in the air and called it a sellout). They insult the intelligence of the fans and never get called on it so maybe they aren't wrong about it - but the "sellout" hypocrisy was pretty funny to me. Anyway I'm sure Vivek leaves them to their work on all this.
I think it was on Phil to fix this ticket situation and I'd never think of kicking it over his head. He was always accessible and responsive I will give him that (I don't bother him anymore post 4/9)... but on this he decided to dig in, for his own reasons, and that's the end of it. Maybe he gets more right than wrong. It is a novelty how Chris and Phil will call you on the phone and be accessible, but in the end they are stubborn - not accommodating. When I tried to get a promise of certain seat location parity in the new arena it was blown off and I was auto-assigned to an inferior spot (remedied ultimately, by me during relocation process - not by any act of management).
I don't think there is a consensus that Phil and Chris are costing Vivek money or social/political capital with their tactics and decisions - so a complaint over their heads would fall on deaf ears I think. And those guys have well honed political machinery singing their praises on social media - they aren't dumb. For me as a fan, I can find fault with the certain business guys who specifically pick my pocket with their specific decisions - and not let it wash over Vivek nor the basketball operations side.
Go Kings! Great uniforms!!
I'm good with the uniforms. Sort of predictable based on the new logos but that's actually a good thing. My criteria for uniforms is pretty simple...
1) Try to limit the color scheme to 3 colors or less.
The Kings accomplished this and it makes for a sleeker and overall better look as opposed to teams that have over 4 colors in their uniforms like Orlando or OKC.
2) Use the same style or wordmark on the uniform that you have in the logo.
Again, the Kings did this so I'm good. The "KINGS" in the logo is the same wordmark that we saw on the home and away jerseys and the "SAC" wordmark on one of the alternate logos is the same as the city uniform.
3) Use large font and upright, vertical lettering as opposed to the radial arch where the letters are tilted.
Again, they got it right. The radial, tilted lettering just looks to amateurish. Something you would see on high school uniforms. Sadly, some teams seem to be going back to that look when they unveiled new uniforms recently. Milwaukee, New Orleans and Toronto come to mind. OTOH, Charlotte, Philly and the Kings used large, upright lettering.
4) Be creative with striping and trim but don't overdo it.
Whiffed here. The striping down the side is huge and just seems too big. I would let that pass if say, you eliminated the striping on the outer sleeve area extending from the arm pit to the top of the shoulder but they have striping there to. Uniforms usually look best when it's either/or but when you do both, it seems like trim overkill.
5) Only use uniform colors that you use in the logo as well.
I know that I'm in the minority here as most seem to like the black "global" uniform but they wiped out black as a member of the color scheme in the logo so it comes off as out of place. Again, I know that the Lakers, Warriors and Bucks all have black alternates or sleeved uniforms but I'm against that also. Looks tacky and almost like the organization can't decide if their color scheme works or isn't "hip" enough.
I will say that I wish that the team had kept black as part of the scheme as it's been with the team since '94. Not sure why they went away from it and even with grey/silver in the mix, it would still qualify as 3 colors or less that I mentioned in the beginning of this post. But if they're going to go with just purple and grey/silver then they should stick with that and get rid of the black unis as opposed to what appears like a compromise.
6) No SLEEVES.
Great job. 4 different designs and not one of them has sleeves. Always a plus for me. Hopefully, NIKE does away with all of them next year.
Lastly, I do find it funny that on the official site, they talk a lot about the uniforms reflecting the pride that the organization has in the city of Sacramento. But not one of them has "Sacramento" across the front. I know they have the "SAC" unis and they look good but it would've been cool if the away unis could've had Sacramento across the front. They've done it twice before with the roads they introduced in '02 then the homes from '09. No reason they couldn't have done it again. I know that Sacramento is long and they would have to arch it a bit but as long as you use the same style/wordmark from the logo like I mentioned in the 2nd part of this post, you could have something that works.
Nonetheless, it's an overall good look. Kudos to the organization for pretty much a job well done.
1) Try to limit the color scheme to 3 colors or less.
The Kings accomplished this and it makes for a sleeker and overall better look as opposed to teams that have over 4 colors in their uniforms like Orlando or OKC.
2) Use the same style or wordmark on the uniform that you have in the logo.
Again, the Kings did this so I'm good. The "KINGS" in the logo is the same wordmark that we saw on the home and away jerseys and the "SAC" wordmark on one of the alternate logos is the same as the city uniform.
3) Use large font and upright, vertical lettering as opposed to the radial arch where the letters are tilted.
Again, they got it right. The radial, tilted lettering just looks to amateurish. Something you would see on high school uniforms. Sadly, some teams seem to be going back to that look when they unveiled new uniforms recently. Milwaukee, New Orleans and Toronto come to mind. OTOH, Charlotte, Philly and the Kings used large, upright lettering.
4) Be creative with striping and trim but don't overdo it.
Whiffed here. The striping down the side is huge and just seems too big. I would let that pass if say, you eliminated the striping on the outer sleeve area extending from the arm pit to the top of the shoulder but they have striping there to. Uniforms usually look best when it's either/or but when you do both, it seems like trim overkill.
5) Only use uniform colors that you use in the logo as well.
I know that I'm in the minority here as most seem to like the black "global" uniform but they wiped out black as a member of the color scheme in the logo so it comes off as out of place. Again, I know that the Lakers, Warriors and Bucks all have black alternates or sleeved uniforms but I'm against that also. Looks tacky and almost like the organization can't decide if their color scheme works or isn't "hip" enough.
I will say that I wish that the team had kept black as part of the scheme as it's been with the team since '94. Not sure why they went away from it and even with grey/silver in the mix, it would still qualify as 3 colors or less that I mentioned in the beginning of this post. But if they're going to go with just purple and grey/silver then they should stick with that and get rid of the black unis as opposed to what appears like a compromise.
6) No SLEEVES.
Great job. 4 different designs and not one of them has sleeves. Always a plus for me. Hopefully, NIKE does away with all of them next year.
Lastly, I do find it funny that on the official site, they talk a lot about the uniforms reflecting the pride that the organization has in the city of Sacramento. But not one of them has "Sacramento" across the front. I know they have the "SAC" unis and they look good but it would've been cool if the away unis could've had Sacramento across the front. They've done it twice before with the roads they introduced in '02 then the homes from '09. No reason they couldn't have done it again. I know that Sacramento is long and they would have to arch it a bit but as long as you use the same style/wordmark from the logo like I mentioned in the 2nd part of this post, you could have something that works.
Nonetheless, it's an overall good look. Kudos to the organization for pretty much a job well done.
John Galt, I appreciate your telling you "last game" ticket experience. Vert poor treatment and business practice.
I am a season ticket holder since the beginning. Now it is just one seat in the new arena at $85 per. Two of us side by side make a pair of seats we snare. My recent STH package included a hat with one of the new logs and a t-shirt. Nice hat which I have worn a lot and have got a number of positive comments about - both the hat and the logo.
I am a season ticket holder since the beginning. Now it is just one seat in the new arena at $85 per. Two of us side by side make a pair of seats we snare. My recent STH package included a hat with one of the new logs and a t-shirt. Nice hat which I have worn a lot and have got a number of positive comments about - both the hat and the logo.
Cool. I enjoy the new colors and logo a lot. I will enjoy seeing others wear them. It is just my private revenge to not spend on that stuff, for the Kings that is (Raiders are completely different - an amazing class act in their ticket office - it is inspiring how much they care about the customer compared to the Kings).
I do think it is cool that they gave special goodies to the guys who held tickets all the way through - that's perfectly fine. But they do quite a bit wrong. They ignore the rank & file current STH - take them for granted completely as they scramble for NEW members and wine & dine long time members and social media VIPs like Mike the Hat and Jill and the millionaire kids who were courtside at the Warriors playoffs etc... their inner circle. And to go all over the community giving out shirts and hats to anybody at all... and first come first serve tattoos to anybody at all regardless of ticket status ... but blow off the current batch of STH for a damn t-shirt??? not very good... very short sighted. That was a disappointing day on twitter lol as everybody except me got a free shirt and a visit from Doug Christie or Bobby Jackson it seemed like. Was amazing how everybody on twitter that day got a freebie lol.
It is just too plain that the rank and file STH is "in the bag and not worth bothering over" to them. They show it in many different ways. ie not coming thru with an adjustment or refund when they realized how they had completely dicked the first wave of STH to buy the "special pre-sale" for the finale, and not sending new logo gear to everyone.
If they change their style it will be cool but just watch- they are going to to jack ticket prices to the sky. For that reason I bought a second pair in the upper deck, so when they price me out of the lower level (won't take but a couple seasons I'm sure) I'll already have a foothold in the upper level. I can see it coming. 20-30% price hike next year mark this post. If my two current partners want to pick up my share of the $175 tickets that are soon to be $210 ... they can have em (or they can recruit a third guy to take my place). And I'll slide up into the $40 soon to be $52 tickets upstairs probably with new partners.
But it's a business. I do love going to Kings games. Still love on-court NBA basketball. Love Vivek's evolution. Some day this ticket regime will be replaced by a kinder one. I'll keep paying and keep reminding people to be skeptical of "special pre-sale offers" because they WILL be happy to jack you over if you cough up the dough too easy. It's like to them, it would be immoral not to take down a sucker.
And I should clarify I'm not mad. If I see Phil Horn or Chris Granger at the arena or at some event I'm not filled with contempt and anger. Just a shrug. It's just business I don't think they single me out for shabby treatment - they are like machines it isn't personal. It just goes with being some wallet out there that they already have their mits on. Once you're locked in the basement you don't have to be courted anymore. And the guys in the ticket office - the reps... are awesome. My rep is awesome but doesn't always have latitude to fix issues (probably not Phil & Chris' culture to empower their customer service guys as much as many of us probably would). Funny if my rep had been empowered to void the first "special presale" purchase when he found out the price discrepancy - or to refund the $35'ish difference... then I'm not ranting here 3 months later. But hey, this is free publicity right - at least they are being talked about
Speaking of business... has anybody reached out to you about parking? Just curious I was told I'd get parking info "any day now" .... about 4-6 weeks ago.
New uniforms and logos are great!!
I do think it is cool that they gave special goodies to the guys who held tickets all the way through - that's perfectly fine. But they do quite a bit wrong. They ignore the rank & file current STH - take them for granted completely as they scramble for NEW members and wine & dine long time members and social media VIPs like Mike the Hat and Jill and the millionaire kids who were courtside at the Warriors playoffs etc... their inner circle. And to go all over the community giving out shirts and hats to anybody at all... and first come first serve tattoos to anybody at all regardless of ticket status ... but blow off the current batch of STH for a damn t-shirt??? not very good... very short sighted. That was a disappointing day on twitter lol as everybody except me got a free shirt and a visit from Doug Christie or Bobby Jackson it seemed like. Was amazing how everybody on twitter that day got a freebie lol.
It is just too plain that the rank and file STH is "in the bag and not worth bothering over" to them. They show it in many different ways. ie not coming thru with an adjustment or refund when they realized how they had completely dicked the first wave of STH to buy the "special pre-sale" for the finale, and not sending new logo gear to everyone.
If they change their style it will be cool but just watch- they are going to to jack ticket prices to the sky. For that reason I bought a second pair in the upper deck, so when they price me out of the lower level (won't take but a couple seasons I'm sure) I'll already have a foothold in the upper level. I can see it coming. 20-30% price hike next year mark this post. If my two current partners want to pick up my share of the $175 tickets that are soon to be $210 ... they can have em (or they can recruit a third guy to take my place). And I'll slide up into the $40 soon to be $52 tickets upstairs probably with new partners.
But it's a business. I do love going to Kings games. Still love on-court NBA basketball. Love Vivek's evolution. Some day this ticket regime will be replaced by a kinder one. I'll keep paying and keep reminding people to be skeptical of "special pre-sale offers" because they WILL be happy to jack you over if you cough up the dough too easy. It's like to them, it would be immoral not to take down a sucker.
And I should clarify I'm not mad. If I see Phil Horn or Chris Granger at the arena or at some event I'm not filled with contempt and anger. Just a shrug. It's just business I don't think they single me out for shabby treatment - they are like machines it isn't personal. It just goes with being some wallet out there that they already have their mits on. Once you're locked in the basement you don't have to be courted anymore. And the guys in the ticket office - the reps... are awesome. My rep is awesome but doesn't always have latitude to fix issues (probably not Phil & Chris' culture to empower their customer service guys as much as many of us probably would). Funny if my rep had been empowered to void the first "special presale" purchase when he found out the price discrepancy - or to refund the $35'ish difference... then I'm not ranting here 3 months later. But hey, this is free publicity right - at least they are being talked about
Speaking of business... has anybody reached out to you about parking? Just curious I was told I'd get parking info "any day now" .... about 4-6 weeks ago.
New uniforms and logos are great!!
Cool. I enjoy the new colors and logo a lot. I will enjoy seeing others wear them. It is just my private revenge to not spend on that stuff, for the Kings that is (Raiders are completely different - an amazing class act in their ticket office - it is inspiring how much they care about the customer compared to the Kings).
I do think it is cool that they gave special goodies to the guys who held tickets all the way through - that's perfectly fine. But they do quite a bit wrong. They ignore the rank & file current STH - take them for granted completely as they scramble for NEW members and wine & dine long time members and social media VIPs like Mike the Hat and Jill and the millionaire kids who were courtside at the Warriors playoffs etc... their inner circle. And to go all over the community giving out shirts and hats to anybody at all... and first come first serve tattoos to anybody at all regardless of ticket status ... but blow off the current batch of STH for a damn t-shirt??? not very good... very short sighted. That was a disappointing day on twitter lol as everybody except me got a free shirt and a visit from Doug Christie or Bobby Jackson it seemed like. Was amazing how everybody on twitter that day got a freebie lol.
It is just too plain that the rank and file STH is "in the bag and not worth bothering over" to them. They show it in many different ways. ie not coming thru with an adjustment or refund when they realized how they had completely dicked the first wave of STH to buy the "special pre-sale" for the finale, and not sending new logo gear to everyone.
If they change their style it will be cool but just watch- they are going to to jack ticket prices to the sky. For that reason I bought a second pair in the upper deck, so when they price me out of the lower level (won't take but a couple seasons I'm sure) I'll already have a foothold in the upper level. I can see it coming. 20-30% price hike next year mark this post. If my two current partners want to pick up my share of the $175 tickets that are soon to be $210 ... they can have em (or they can recruit a third guy to take my place). And I'll slide up into the $40 soon to be $52 tickets upstairs probably with new partners.
But it's a business. I do love going to Kings games. Still love on-court NBA basketball. Love Vivek's evolution. Some day this ticket regime will be replaced by a kinder one. I'll keep paying and keep reminding people to be skeptical of "special pre-sale offers" because they WILL be happy to jack you over if you cough up the dough too easy. It's like to them, it would be immoral not to take down a sucker.
And I should clarify I'm not mad. If I see Phil Horn or Chris Granger at the arena or at some event I'm not filled with contempt and anger. Just a shrug. It's just business I don't think they single me out for shabby treatment - they are like machines it isn't personal. It just goes with being some wallet out there that they already have their mits on. Once you're locked in the basement you don't have to be courted anymore. And the guys in the ticket office - the reps... are awesome. My rep is awesome but doesn't always have latitude to fix issues (probably not Phil & Chris' culture to empower their customer service guys as much as many of us probably would). Funny if my rep had been empowered to void the first "special presale" purchase when he found out the price discrepancy - or to refund the $35'ish difference... then I'm not ranting here 3 months later. But hey, this is free publicity right - at least they are being talked about
Speaking of business... has anybody reached out to you about parking? Just curious I was told I'd get parking info "any day now" .... about 4-6 weeks ago.
New uniforms and logos are great!!
I do think it is cool that they gave special goodies to the guys who held tickets all the way through - that's perfectly fine. But they do quite a bit wrong. They ignore the rank & file current STH - take them for granted completely as they scramble for NEW members and wine & dine long time members and social media VIPs like Mike the Hat and Jill and the millionaire kids who were courtside at the Warriors playoffs etc... their inner circle. And to go all over the community giving out shirts and hats to anybody at all... and first come first serve tattoos to anybody at all regardless of ticket status ... but blow off the current batch of STH for a damn t-shirt??? not very good... very short sighted. That was a disappointing day on twitter lol as everybody except me got a free shirt and a visit from Doug Christie or Bobby Jackson it seemed like. Was amazing how everybody on twitter that day got a freebie lol.
It is just too plain that the rank and file STH is "in the bag and not worth bothering over" to them. They show it in many different ways. ie not coming thru with an adjustment or refund when they realized how they had completely dicked the first wave of STH to buy the "special pre-sale" for the finale, and not sending new logo gear to everyone.
If they change their style it will be cool but just watch- they are going to to jack ticket prices to the sky. For that reason I bought a second pair in the upper deck, so when they price me out of the lower level (won't take but a couple seasons I'm sure) I'll already have a foothold in the upper level. I can see it coming. 20-30% price hike next year mark this post. If my two current partners want to pick up my share of the $175 tickets that are soon to be $210 ... they can have em (or they can recruit a third guy to take my place). And I'll slide up into the $40 soon to be $52 tickets upstairs probably with new partners.
But it's a business. I do love going to Kings games. Still love on-court NBA basketball. Love Vivek's evolution. Some day this ticket regime will be replaced by a kinder one. I'll keep paying and keep reminding people to be skeptical of "special pre-sale offers" because they WILL be happy to jack you over if you cough up the dough too easy. It's like to them, it would be immoral not to take down a sucker.
And I should clarify I'm not mad. If I see Phil Horn or Chris Granger at the arena or at some event I'm not filled with contempt and anger. Just a shrug. It's just business I don't think they single me out for shabby treatment - they are like machines it isn't personal. It just goes with being some wallet out there that they already have their mits on. Once you're locked in the basement you don't have to be courted anymore. And the guys in the ticket office - the reps... are awesome. My rep is awesome but doesn't always have latitude to fix issues (probably not Phil & Chris' culture to empower their customer service guys as much as many of us probably would). Funny if my rep had been empowered to void the first "special presale" purchase when he found out the price discrepancy - or to refund the $35'ish difference... then I'm not ranting here 3 months later. But hey, this is free publicity right - at least they are being talked about
Speaking of business... has anybody reached out to you about parking? Just curious I was told I'd get parking info "any day now" .... about 4-6 weeks ago.
New uniforms and logos are great!!
For us guys who pay n advance fr season tickets it is easy to imagine and therefore assume that as the season marches on and bargains ar offered to non-STHs, you might find that the strangers sitting next to you paid a lot less for their tickets than you did. I assumed it happened quite a bit. Mote later.