New Trades Vs New Kings

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How Do These New NBA Trades Affect Our Standings At #3?

Do we Stay Put On Final Day Or Shake The World?

Mavs Getting Irving Seems Like They May Shoot Up The Standings A Bit (B+ Trade)

Suns Getting Durant Most Def Means They Will Be Shooting Up The Standings (A+ Trade)

Seems like we are going to stay put and roll with what we have. I hope its enough for at least a playoff spot this year and maybe make noise next year - If We Get hot we can beat anyt time anytime.
 
Getting past the Grizzlies and Nuggets this year would be a tall order if we hung onto 3 and advanced to the second round.

I don't think we should mortgage our future because some teams behind us with aging stars went all in to try to save themselves against the young upstarts. Look at how that has worked for a team like Minnesota that pushed chips in too early.

The West might be a wasteland in 2-3 seasons when we'd be entering the equivalent of 2002 if we keep this core together and make smart, timed, and well informed personnel decisions.
 
fansinceday1 said:
IMO, I just hope we make the playoffs. Anything past that is house money.
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When we sucked people screamed bloody murder at the idea of making a single season move so I hope us being at 3 right now isn't fool's gold to some. Making the playoffs will be nice. I want 10 straight years of playoffs. If we can do that, we'll have a good chance at a legit 2-3 year window and possibly more.
 
I'm withholding until I see what we've got after the trade deadline. I just hope Vivek shows some patience and isn't yelling "sell! sell!" I'm OK with teams in the West mortgaging the future to get a lot older for now. We're just entering our prime...but we do need some more help.
 
fansinceday1 said:
IMO, I just hope we make the playoffs. Anything past that is house money.

With these trades the west is stacked but like whats been pointed out above, these are some close to over the hill players. Personally Id be building for the future.
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Agree, because this team is not a contender this season. Don't make any moves that limits the future, when you could be a contender
 
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Our core is primed for a lot of organic growth.

Murray is going to keep getting better. Fox is really making strides as a #1 scorer for us. Sabonis will always be a walking triple dub. We have a legit coach for the first time in a million years.

We get a playoff rep in. McNair tinkers up some more defense, and we're back and better next season as all these new "superteams" age out and Kyrie does Kyrie things in Dallas.

No big moves! We good!
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Agree, because this team is not a contender this season. Don't make any moves that limits the future, when you could be a contender
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I honestly can't think of anyone available that instantly vaults us into contender status THIS YEAR. Siakam makes us relevant, but at what cost? I'm sure they would want Murray in return, and I can't do that for what likely is a rental. Something like that makes us relevant now, but still not a title contender, and then we have to fill in the holes again next year.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
When we sucked people screamed bloody murder at the idea of making a single season move so I hope us being at 3 right now isn't fool's gold to some.
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People keep saying "fools gold" with regard to the KINGS current standing.

Thing is, it's been 55 games or essentially 66% of the season. It's not just the first month of the season or something. It's a pretty large sample size.

Now, they may fade some or a lot. Or some other teams may improve and pass them up by seasons end. Or the KINGS might indeed capture a top 6 seed then underwhelm in the postseason for whatever reason(s).

But it sure ain't "fools gold".

That said, I sure wish they could have landed Thybulle, OG or Plumlee. But apparently McNair wasn't willing to part with any of the current core and/or these other teams were just asking too much.
 
KingsFanSince85 said:
People keep saying "fools gold" with regard to the KINGS current standing.

Thing is, it's been 55 games or essentially 66% of the season. It's not just the first month of the season or something. It's a pretty large sample size.

Now, they may fade some or a lot. Or some other teams may improve and pass them up by seasons end. Or the KINGS might indeed capture a top 6 seed then underwhelm in the postseason for whatever reason(s).

But it sure ain't "fools gold".

That said, I sure wish they could have landed Thybulle, OG or Plumlee. But apparently McNair wasn't willing to part with any of the current core and/or these other teams were just asking too much.
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I'm not saying that 3 is fools gold as far as this being a good team, I am saying it's fools gold thinking that we can trade our future away for one win now move. We aren't a bunch of aging stars on their last hurrah. We are at the ground floor with a ton of promise. No reason to sell the house.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I'm not saying that 3 is fools gold as far as this being a good team, I am saying it's fools gold thinking that we can trade our future away for one win now move. We aren't a bunch of aging stars on their last hurrah. We are at the ground floor with a ton of promise. No reason to sell the house.
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Gotcha. I agree.

While it's definitely disappointing to see all these other teams making moves while the KINGS stand pat -- I also believe being patient and prudent trumps making moves for the sake of shaking things up.

Clearly all these teams making moves are in a bit of "panic mode". Not that they aren't good teams, but they clearly don't believe they have enough. And let's be real -- not ALL these deals are going to workout for ALL teams involved. That's not possible.

The KINGS clearly believe they don't have to force a deal. Which is good. If the deal ain't right, they can afford to be patient. They have a good young roster and, as the old adage goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day" even though many of us wish it could be.
 
KingsFanSince85 said:
People keep saying "fools gold" with regard to the KINGS current standing.

Thing is, it's been 55 games or essentially 66% of the season. It's not just the first month of the season or something. It's a pretty large sample size.

Now, they may fade some or a lot. Or some other teams may improve and pass them up by seasons end. Or the KINGS might indeed capture a top 6 seed then underwhelm in the postseason for whatever reason(s).

But it sure ain't "fools gold".

That said, I sure wish they could have landed Thybulle, OG or Plumlee. But apparently McNair wasn't willing to part with any of the current core and/or these other teams were just asking too much.
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It's not fool's gold that the Kings are a good team, but I can't confidently say that the Kings are better than the Pelicans, Clippers, and Suns at full strength even before the trade.
 
Spike said:
I honestly can't think of anyone available that instantly vaults us into contender status THIS YEAR. Siakam makes us relevant, but at what cost? I'm sure they would want Murray in return, and I can't do that for what likely is a rental. Something like that makes us relevant now, but still not a title contender, and then we have to fill in the holes again next year.
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Indeed. The question isn't, "Are the Kings a finished product, that should stand pat with this roster." The question is, "Are there any moves the Kings can make at the deadline that will make them significantly better, without disrupting their developing chemistry?" Not only is there nobody available at the deadline that makes Sacramento a title contender in 2023, I'm not 100 percent sure that there's anybody the Kings can trade for that will make them a lock for a Top 6 seed. So yeah, if you can move Len, Okpala, Holmes, maybe Davis for somebody who's going to crack the Top 9, I guess you go ahead and do that. Otherwise, I would be inclined to play the season out, and likely have better options to choose from for addressing the weaknesses in the roster in the offseason.
 
At the beginning of the season we were looking at play in. Now we are number 3 and will continue to be until proven otherwise even though teams have improved on paper. Having us end up in 6-8 seed is a mark improvement from last year. Its nice we are talking about playoff positioning rather than who we are going to draft.
 
KF8 said:
It's not fool's gold that the Kings are a good team, but I can't confidently say that the Kings are better than the Pelicans, Clippers, and Suns at full strength even before the trade.
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Except the difference is the Pelicans are the only team you mentioned that isn't in "Win NOW~!" mode. All of the teams making big moves at the deadline have personnel that place them firmly in "Championship in 2-3 years or failure" territory, and the Kings aren't close to that, so they shouldn't be trying to make a big splash at the deadline.

Y'all just gotta figure out a way to manage y'all's FOMO, is what that is.
 
Spike said:
I honestly can't think of anyone available that instantly vaults us into contender status THIS YEAR. Siakam makes us relevant, but at what cost? I'm sure they would want Murray in return, and I can't do that for what likely is a rental. Something like that makes us relevant now, but still not a title contender, and then we have to fill in the holes again next year.
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I can't really identify any likely playoff team that we matchup well against in a series, if we get in. This is still a team trying to build for a future playoff run
 
KF8 said:
It's not fool's gold that the Kings are a good team, but I can't confidently say that the Kings are better than the Pelicans, Clippers, and Suns at full strength even before the trade.
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The reverse is also true, as far as I can tell. Could you confidently say that those other teams were better than the KINGS at full strength before the deadline? Perhaps, perhaps not.

All I know is the KINGS are ahead of those teams after 55 games played, whatever the reasons may be.

Also, as they say, injuries are part of the equation. They happen every season.

Perhaps the KINGS were actually better than some of these other teams last season and in other season but the injury toll didn't make it so.

It works both ways.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
I can't really identify any likely playoff team that we matchup well against in a series, if we get in. This is still a team trying to build for a future playoff run
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Well, how do they match up with us looking at it from the other side?

How many teams are equipped to deal with Domas down low? How many are equipped to handle Swipa's speed as Domas draws double-teams?? How many are equipped to deal with the perimeter shooting from Red Velvet, Monk, HB, TD, Lyles, and Keegan when De'Aaron penetrates and kicks or Domas passes out of double teams to open teammates???

So far the KINGS opponents aren't faring too well, as evidenced not only by their #3 seed but also by the fact that they own the #1 offense in the league.

So while perhaps the KINGS don't match up well with some teams defensively or due to length -- the KINGS can cause those teams problems too. As I said before, it works both ways.
 
All these teams we play until the Bulls on March 15th made moves I think. The rest of the season should be slightly more difficult because of these trades. As would our potential path thru the playoffs, especially once you start to talk about pushing into the 2nd rd and beyond. There has been a redistribution of power here from east to west.

The Clippers desperately needed a new PG and got Bones Hyland. They needed help on the frontline and got Plumlee.

The Grizzlies were in need of 3pt shooting and got Luke Kennard.

Lakers completely overhauled their roster.

Minnesota trades for instant synergy with Conley and Gobert.

Pelicans get much needed depth on the wing with Josh Richardson.

Phoenix assembles the best 4-man group in the NBA with Paul-Booker-Durant-Ayton.

Portland adds 2nd rd picks while shiftin some defense from guard to the wing moving Payton II and acquiring Thybulle.

Kyrie figures to be very productive in Dallas, he was playing quite well in Brooklyn this season. Unsurprising to see him lead them in scoring first game, n they beat the CLippers with no Luka
 
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fansinceday1 said:
IMO, I just hope we make the playoffs. Anything past that is house money.

With these trades the west is stacked but like whats been pointed out above, these are some close to over the hill players. Personally Id be building for the future.
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Exactly. Now is not the time to copy what these teams are doing to make our "big push". We just need to cook. Like my nonna always said "Don't eat the spaghetti before the sauce is ready!"

She would have been a great GM.

~Vinny Basketballerino
 
This reminds me of the trade deadline in 2008, where teams were freaking out over the Lakers acquiring Paul Gasol. The Mavs responded by landing Jason Kidd, and the Suns getting Shaq. I'm glad the Kings didn't overreact, though I do wish we would have made one small move.
 
Ryan said:
This reminds me of the trade deadline in 2008, where teams were freaking out over the Lakers acquiring Paul Gasol. The Mavs responded by landing Jason Kidd, and the Suns getting Shaq. I'm glad the Kings didn't overreact, though I do wish we would have made one small move.
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They did acquire Kessler Edwards. It remains to be seen just how "small a move" this will prove to be. We may not know until next season.
 
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