NBA worst shooters

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From the Key: Off the Marksmenby Rick Kamla - Senior Editor, Fanball.com
Friday, December 10, 2004

If you're in a five-cat league, you have no problem with a player shamelessly jacking up shots. As a matter of fact, you love those 5-for-20s because your boy is getting all the shots he wants.

However, if you jam in an eight-cat league, where every miss is magnified, you have a big, big problem with sorry shot selection.

Just ask the owners of Jamal Crawford and Allen Iverson, who will never win field goal percentage as long as those selfish gunners are in their lineup. And don't think a dude like Udonis Haslem will balance it out because guys like Crawford and Ivy take twice as many shots.

The point to be made here is that you need to move these gunners from your squad in exchange for players who shoot 45 percent or better. Many of these off-the-marksmen are sexy as hell, so their trade value is still high.

But before I call out the shameless gunners of our beloved NBA, I want to list some of the sharpshooters you should be targeting in swaps. Look into players like Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby, Ray Allen, Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Rashard Lewis, Lamar Odom, LeBron James, Bobby Simmons, and Grant Hill—to name a few.

So, without further ado, here they are, the NBA's worst shooters, in no particular order.

Allen Iverson, Sixers – (.380): Did you like his 2-for-13 against the Wolves on Wednesday? How about his 8-for-27 at Memphis on Dec. 3? Iverson entered the season a .417 career shooter, so you have no one to blame but yourself for your team's brutal field goal percentage.

Marko Jaric, Clippers – (.403): Marko's last game with plus-50-percent shooting came on Thanksgiving night against the Nets. He's 12 for his last 40 from the field. You can have the steals and threes. I'm staying away.

Jamal Tinsley, Pacers – (.411): Tinsley's steals and assists are off the charts. Too bad he has fallen in love with the three-point shot. He's a .393 career shooter, nothing more, nothing less.

Tracy McGrady, Rockets – (.411): Given where you drafted T-Mac and how poorly he's played to this point, he's this year's LVP (least valuable player). Entering Thursday's action, Tracy was 14 of his last 42 from the field. Sweet.

Jason Richardson, Warriors – (.411): JR has been off the mark a lot this year, but there is hope. He shot .438 percent last year and he's a career .425 shooter. The only concern is that his right hand injury is hindering his accuracy.

Rasheed Wallace, Pistons – (.416): Sheed used to be a field-goal mach, but his shooting is in a three-year freefall. Sheed shot .471 in 2002-03, but that percentage dropped to .436 last year and .416 this year. Like Antoine Walker, Sheed's love of the three gets him in trouble.

Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets – (.410): Yeah, that percentage is low, but it's on the rise. Melo has hit 30 of his last 53 shots (.566). And he's young enough for me to hold out hope that he can become a 45 percent shooter. He can become a 45 percent shooter, right? Right?

Kirk Hinrich, Bulls – (.372): Face it, freaks, dude can't shoot. Last year Hinrich shot .386 and this year he's even worse. He went 8-of-26 (.307) in his last two games. I blame Roy Williams.

Paul Pierce, Celtics – (.413): Remember the days when Pierce wouldn't crush your percentage? Some of you may recall his .454 in 2000-01. However, he went .416 in 2002-03 and .402 last year, establishing a trend that's continuing this year. He is what he is at this point.

Jamal Crawford, Knicks – (.396): Since making 17 of 25 shots against the Bobcats last Saturday (he missed his last five shots), Crawford is seven of his last 28 from the field. Dude has no conscience and that's bad for fantasy business.

Rafer Alston, Raptors – (.398): After a terrific start, Skip is in a tailspin. Over his last four games, he's 15-for-48 (.313). It doesn't help that Sam Mitchell calls him out through the media after bad shooting nights. I hate to say it, but you need to trade Skip yesterday.

Jalen Rose, Raptors – (.409): For years, Rose has been an anchor in the underrated category of field-goal percentage. Rose shot .455 in 2001-02, but he's been under 41 percent ever since.

Kobe Bryant, Lakers – (.397): Kobe's a lot better shooter than this, but now that it's his team with his players, he's gonna jack it up as much as humanly possible. After averaging .453 percent over the last three years, it appears as if this category is a giveaway for Bryant owners.

Vince Carter, Raptors – (.411): Given his Achilles injury, the point here may be moot. It's always something with Vinsanity.

Damon Stoudamire, Trail Blazers – (.342): Nope, that is not a typo. Mighty Mouse is shooting less than 35 percent. I know…wow! Damon helps out in assists, steals, threes, and free-throw percentage, but I want no part of 34 percent from the field, thank you very much.

Eddie Jones, Heat – (.352): I've haven't seen apathy like this since I was a fifth year senior at the University of Minnesota. Could someone please remind Eddie that Shaq and Wade wear the same uniform?

Richard Jefferson, Nets – (.425): RJ was shooting around 40 percent without Jason Kidd. But in two games with Magic 2.0, RJ is 15 of 29 from the floor. His percentage will be 48 percent or better as long as Kidd is a Net.

Quentin Richardson, Suns – (.377): I love Q's game. That three against the Lakers was cold-blooded. But that's the problem. Q loves the three too much, and it's dragging down his field-goal percentage. Get used to it because Q has been in the 300s since 2001-02.

Antoine Walker, Hawks – (.427): Actually, 43 percent isn't that bad from Walker, who shot .388 percent in 2002-03. But because he takes around 20 shots a night, you can forget about winning field-goal percentage. Larry

Hughes
, Wizards – (.392): Sure, Hughes is leading the league in steals and giving you 19-6-5 every night, but that percentage is awful. I mean, it's one thing to not help in a category, but quite another to hurt you in a cat.

Carlos Arroyo, Jazz – (.389): Right about now, you should be asking yourself why Arroyo is still on your roster. I'd give it two days to trade him and then I'd cut him loose.
 
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piksi said:
The list is bogus. There are many reasons why some of these players have a low FG %.
The main reason is that they put up shots and they do not go in. It is hard to argue with fg %
 
Selfish Ballhogs

I mean Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Antoine Walker, Vince Carter whats the big surprise?? This list looks like it illustrates who the leagues top ball hogs are pretty well to me. If youre a scorer you have to shoot, but you gotta knock down a better % than that.
 
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If I end up with one of those guys on my team, I normally just consider it a giveaway category and intentionally go out and try to tade for some of the others -- if you're going to lose it anwyay, mght as well REALLY lose it + you can take those guys off the hands of people who still care about those categories.
 
I have Crawford and JRich and actually haven't been doing that bad. But then, with guys like Amare and Yao and Nazr Mohammed, they can make up for it. I'm getting killed in TOs though.
 
KP said:
I mean Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Antoine Walker, Vince Carter whats the big surprise?? This list looks like it illustrates who the leagues top ball hogs are pretty well to me. If youre a scorer you have to shoot, but you gotta knock down a better % than that.
Yeah, what is the big surprise? These guys are supposed to shoot and it's kind of difficult to call Kobe and Iverson ballhogs when they average 7 assists a game (and not all of their passes were converted).

Your last point contradicts the first part. If you're a scorer, you have to shoot... Yep. Who says that shooting a poor percentage necessarily makes you a ballhog?
 
You know what I would like to see? A statistic that tells how many times these guys, especially Kobe and Iverson, TOUCH the ball during an offensive possession. THEN compare that to how many assists they have, how many shots, etc.

People who make it sound as though Kobe and Iverson are always looking to pass the ball and cite their assist ratio as possible justification are, IMHO, dealing with smoke and mirrors.
 
VF21 said:
You know what I would like to see? A statistic that tells how many times these guys, especially Kobe and Iverson, TOUCH the ball during an offensive possession. THEN compare that to how many assists they have, how many shots, etc.

People who make it sound as though Kobe and Iverson are always looking to pass the ball and cite their assist ratio as possible justification are, IMHO, dealing with smoke and mirrors.
I'm sure Stockton touched the ball a lot during the game and no one would call him selfish. Kobe and AI act as PGs and they do make an effort to get their teammates involved. Imo, they could average 9 apg and wouldn't be able to shake the burned-in-brain perception that they're "ballhogs".

You want ballhog? Adrian Dantley was a ballhog.
 
VF21 said:
You know what I would like to see? A statistic that tells how many times these guys, especially Kobe and Iverson, TOUCH the ball during an offensive possession. THEN compare that to how many assists they have, how many shots, etc.

People who make it sound as though Kobe and Iverson are always looking to pass the ball and cite their assist ratio as possible justification are, IMHO, dealing with smoke and mirrors.
Careful... that exact argument could be made to indicate that a certain Kings player is selfish despite his high assist numbers and passing ability.

I would like to see that statistic also.
 
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uolj said:
Careful... that exact argument could be made to indicate that a certain Kings player is selfish despite his high assist numbers and passing ability.

I would like to see that statistic also.

#4 and #10 - I assume.
 
I would still like to the see stat. Out of 100 touches, it might be interesting to see how many times a player shot the ball, passed the ball (non-assist - with breakdowns for non-assist because of another pass and non-assist because of missed shot), turned the ball over or passed the ball (assist)...
 
piksi said:
#4 and #10 - I assume.
Actually, I think the resulting figures might show a certain #24 with some pretty sticky fingers also...

That wasn't the point, however, and I am SO tired of everything having to become all about Webber.

:mad:
 
uolj said:
Careful... that exact argument could be made to indicate that a certain Kings player is selfish despite his high assist numbers and passing ability.
I would be willing to bet that if there were a stat kept for "assists per second of ball being in your hands" there would be very little comparison at all. Our primary ball handler averages 6 asts bringing the ball up court, then handing it off. He's probably got it for 8-10 seconds on an average half-court possession. The guy he hands it off to most often is our PF of all people, who might have it for another 8-10 seconds. The Iversons and Kobes of the world are both the primary ballhandler AND guy who handles it in the half court.
 
Bricklayer said:
The Iversons and Kobes of the world are both the primary ballhandler AND guy who handles it in the half court.
And expecting those guys to have lower FG % is fine. Even when playing poorly those guys are the key to the offense because they present a threat on every single possession. If Kobe drives (which he does quite a bit) the defense collapses on him so he has to pass it off. If the defense does not collapse, as a superior 1 on 1 player , he SHOULD take a shot even if some of those might not be great looks to make defense collapse on him next time. A lot of those shots are desperation ones, with the shotclock running low, or off of broken plays. The problem with the Lakers is that pretty much any shot Kobe takes is almost as good as anything else they can produce as a team.
 
VF21 said:
Actually, I think the resulting figures might show a certain #24 with some pretty sticky fingers also...

That wasn't the point, however, and I am SO tired of everything having to become all about Webber.

:mad:

#24 - agreed.
 
VF21 - I understand that you are tired of everything being about Chris Webber, and I knew that was the case before I responded to your comment. Unfortunately this is one of the few topics that is actually interesting to me when it comes to him and his place amongst the other stars in the league, so I had to stick my nose in. Hope you understand.


The stats I'd like to see are % of times that a player has the ball and passes, shoots, gets fouled, or turns it over, and then how often the passes become assists or the shots/fouls become points.

I never really bought into the notion that guys like Iverson, Bryant or McGrady were necessarily selfish because of the fact that they are the playmakers for their respective teams. Same goes for #4 on the Kings. Other than Bobby Jackson, he is the only one who can consistently create offense. I also never bought into the defense that those guys have high assist numbers, again because they are the primary ball handlers in the offense for their team. I'd be interested in hearing other arguments one way or the other (whether its in relation to the Kings players or not).
 
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