nba refs

[Luv4Kings]

My perspective is, NBA refs do give star treatment. Retired refs have talked about it a lot. It's a fact.

So, as a Kings fan, we have to be good enough to win DESPITE the star treatment for other teams. We've done it before and can do it again. We have to get our own star treatment.

And make our free throws this time.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

grant even called out the referees name that made the blown call.

gotta love the napear

 

[VF21]

being very critcal over the refereeing, and showing a blown call at the end of the game.

doubt theyll get fined tho

Dude, once again: GRANT AND JERRY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE NBA RULES ON CRITICIZING OFFICIALS. Period!!!

 

[vistacruza_kings]

My perspective is, NBA refs do give star treatment. Retired refs have talked about it a lot. It's a fact.

So, as a Kings fan, we have to be good enough to win DESPITE the star treatment for other teams. We've done it before and can do it again. We have to get our own star treatment.

And make our free throws this time.

Grant - "kobe travels everytime he dribbles, thats unbelievable!"

 

[Luv4Kings]

grant even called out the referees name that made the blown call.

gotta love the napear

What else did they say? Did they talk about Kobe being out of bounds? I'm curious how they saw that.

 

[PurpleHaze]

In the video and still shots of the Bryant last second shot Coach W is starring right down at Kobe's foot as he rises up. Coach did not react at all like he thought his heel was out of bounds and said nothing about it in post-game comments. Westphal just calmly walked off the court with a blank stare after the heart-breaking defeat.

 

[Armadillo]

In the video and still shots of the Bryant last second shot Coach W is starring right down at Kobe's foot as he rises up. Coach did not react at all like he thought his heel was out of bounds and said nothing about it in post-game comments. Westphal just calmly walked off the court with a blank stare after the heart-breaking defeat.

And still, I can't help but doubt the legitimacy of the play.

 

[VF21]

What else did they say? Did they talk about Kobe being out of bounds? I'm curious how they saw that.

They briefly mentioned it when they saw the officials reviewing the final shot but neither of them seemed to think it was an issue.

 

[Luv4Kings]

In the video and still shots of the Bryant last second shot Coach W is starring right down at Kobe's foot as he rises up. Coach did not react at all like he thought his heel was out of bounds and said nothing about it in post-game comments. Westphal just calmly walked off the court with a blank stare after the heart-breaking defeat.

I'm not sure Westphaul's reaction is a deciding factor. He certainly isn't going to mention it after the game. At the time, he looked to me like he was just thinking "business as usual in the NBA."

 

[Kings Faithful]

If we hadn't lost the 20-point lead, Kobe wouldn't have been in a position to win the game by some questionable maneuvering and a last shot from out of bounds.

The thing is at some point you have to just quit crying about bad luck and a couple of bad calls at the end of a game. Our guys aren't whining right now and we need to quit using it as our "go to" excuse for losing close games.

At some point, we'll find the way to close out teams without letting them back in. And we'll do it without relying on the officials to bail us out.

The Kings closing out games is, never has been, and never will be a result of the refs bailing us out, its whether the other team gets bailed out or not that decides whether we close out games. We always make mistakes, yes, but so do other teams (Lakers missed freethrows in our first game and bad turnovers in our second). Unfotuneately were the only ones that end up suffering the consequences of our stupid mistakes.

I think the only way we are ever going to escape these types of games like we did in the early 2000's (until the playoffs), is to be so good not even the refs can stop us without being ridiculously obvious about it. I think we are heading in that direction. We were the **** in our golden age but the injury bug and some bad reffing cost us any real recognition from the rest of the league. If we get that good again and stay healthy, we won't just get rings, we'll EARN them. If we can win a championship with a team built around hardship, the draft, and years of bonding without a pompous *** player on our team like Kobe or Lebron... games like this will easily be worth it. Getting the
8th seed and knocking out the Lakers in the playoffs this year would also be up there on my "worth it" scale.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

Dude, once again: GRANT AND JERRY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE NBA RULES ON CRITICIZING OFFICIALS. Period!!!

i didnt say they were, but how do you know?? i have no idea about Stern and his rules, all i know is he doesnt like ref critics.

 

[Luv4Kings]

And still, I can't help but doubt the legitimacy of the play.

The ref is positioned in front of Kobe, not on the sideline.

Oh well... we'll get the b&*(ards next time.

 

[VF21]

The Kings closing out games is, never has been, and never will be a result of the refs bailing us out, its whether the other team gets bailed out or not that decided whether we close out games. We always make mistakes, yes, but so do other teams (Lakers missed freethrows in our first game and bad turnovers in our second). Unfotuneately were the only ones that end up suffering the consequences of our stupid mistakes.

My last sentence was sardonic. Sorry, that doesn't come through very well in print.

I meant when we start taking these kinds of games, we'll do it because we earned it.

 

[Luv4Kings]

They briefly mentioned it when they saw the officials reviewing the final shot but neither of them seemed to think it was an issue.

Thanks.

 

[VF21]

i didnt say they were, but how do you know?? i have no idea about Stern and his rules, all i know is he doesnt like ref critics.

How do I know? Because I've followed the NBA for over 40 years and I've heard comments by commentators that would curl your hair. You may not have any idea about the rules, but I've read all of them - especially the ones on conduct - and there's no provision in there for the commentators.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

The ref is positioned in front of Kobe, not on the sideline.

Oh well... we'll get the b&*(ards next time.

yea his heel was hovering over the line but not touching the line. and it was just out of his hand with .1 on the clock. man i hate kobe

 

[vistacruza_kings]

The ref is positioned in front of Kobe, not on the sideline.

Oh well... we'll get the b&*(ards next time.

WAIT A SEC...how would that ref be able to tell his foot was not on the line???

 

[Kings Faithful]

My last sentence was sardonic. Sorry, that doesn't come through very well in print.

I meant when we start taking these kinds of games, we'll do it because we earned it.

Ahh! So your saying the Lakers DIDNT earn it!?!? I knew you were a closet league conspiracy theorist!

 

[bruinfanatic]

bad calls

games like tonight is why I like College basketball better. A foul is a foul in college. No special rules for teams or star players. The kings didn't deserve to win because of their free throws but neither did the Lakers. Kobe gave Sergio a forearm push to get open. Brown tripped on his own. Five points given to the Lakers. How can that be an excuse!!
In college there are last second fouls all the time. Not making excuses but I really hate the NBA and it's refs.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

How do I know? Because I've followed the NBA for over 40 years and I've heard comments by commentators that would curl your hair. You may not have any idea about the rules, but I've read all of them - especially the ones on conduct - and there's no provision in there for the commentators.

k well now i know thanks. is the rules for national broadcast games different? what about finals games?

 

[Merdiesel]

The night I watched the Lakers shoot 27 4th quarter free throws was the night I lost all respect David Stern and NBA officials. You're delusional if you think things are any different nowadays.

 

[VF21]

Ahh! So your saying the Lakers DIDNT earn it!?!? I knew you were a closet league conspiracy theorist!

No comment.

 

[Luv4Kings]

yea his heel was hovering over the line but not touching the line. and it was just out of his hand with .1 on the clock. man i hate kobe

Oh come on, you can see his heel was only "hovering" from there? LOL!!

 

[Luv4Kings]

WAIT A SEC...how would that ref be able to tell his foot was not on the line???

Exactly, the ref was not on the sideline so he didn't have a clear view of Kobe's heel. I think there wasn't a good enough replay shot to conclusively turn it over, though. Unfortunately.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I honestly didn't know the refs could review whether he was out of bounds or not. I figured its one of those "if they call it, it sticks" type of things. Mabye thats just because if the Kings were in the exact same situation, it would have been called out of bounds and it wouldn't have been reviewable or overturnable.

 

[jcassio]

Fair is fair. Doesn't matter if we are a young team or a veteran team. Call it fair and the game will be more enjoyable for everyone.

For what it's worth, I agree with this sentiment.

But it's a fine line we walk between denial and conspiracy. When you accept or even embrace the lack of fairness demonstrated by NBA officiating (as so many people on this board do), and even blame your own team for the loss, you support a corrupt system. But if you cry foul and see conspiracy at every turn, then you've lost your credibility. We stop listening to you.

I happen to think it's okay to blame the refs for the outcome WHEN they obviously don't call a fair game. How else do you put pressure on them to be fair? To me, it's like a corrupt politician; we should all be outraged; otherwise we simply encourage them! But if you connect your dots and see a conspiracy at work, you've lost me.

 

[Luv4Kings]

I honestly didn't know the refs could review whether he was out of bounds or not. I figured its one of those "if they call it, it sticks" type of things. Mabye thats just because if the Kings were in the exact same situation, it would have been called out of bounds and it wouldn't have been reviewable or overturnable.

They reviewed it to see if he beat the shot clock but there are other things they can also review this year. I don't know what they all are. But some guy winning the game by standing out of bounds SHOULD be reviewable. I still don't think there's a convincing camera angle anyway.

 

[Gliesian]

SAC: 24 Personal fouls 16 FTA
LAL: 15 Personal fouls 29 FTA

Really David?

 

[cstorm]

But if you connect your dots and see a conspiracy at work, you've lost me.

I think that "encouraging" the refs to keep games close and promote marquee teams and players is nowhere near a conspiracy in the Elvis is alive vein. The NBA is a billion dollar (?) industry. There is a lot at stake. Davis Stern is a business man. If the owners and Stern felt it was good for the bottom line, it wouldn't be outlandish at all. A lot more has been done for a lot less.

Back to the Elvis thing. I saw him at the game ya know...

 

[rainmaker]

Some day, not too far in the future, maybe 3 years from now, Tyreke will be getting all the superstar calls, and I will be loving every minute of it.

We should have won this game with all the b.s. calls. This team will grow to the point that calls don't matter, and we win regardless. All young teams have to learn how to play through bad calls. This isn't an excuse for the refs, because I actually think the reffing in the nba is getting progressively worse from year to year. But still, the best teams usually find a way to pull through it.