[NBA] Comments that don’t warrant a thread (JUN)
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Considering how protective he's been of his career and his refusal to come over to situations that would have given him a less than ideal role, I find it hard to believe Micic is going to choose to go to OKC to be the honorary backup to SGA and Giddey and Jalen Williams for a couple of seasons. OKC probably gonna dangle him out in front of a cash strapped contender or two.
Magic really don't need Grant Williams, considering they have like four guys that already play his exact role on their roster, several of whom are cheaper than Grant will be. The Pacers are an interesting fit for him and he does fit Carlisle's favorite player archetype 6'7"-6'8" versatile wing forward who is probably going to completely suck in crunch time. The Mavs do need defensive help but at the same time, I don't think they have enough room to make it work salary wise unless Kyrie walks in which case they won't be needing Grant's services anyways
Damian Lillard is on that mid-00s KG. He wants to have his cake and eat it, too: he's trying to figure out how he can leave Portland without getting labeled a "ring chaser."
You watch what I tell you: Lillard's going to get traded somewhere and win a championship. And then, 5-7 years after he retires, he's going to be doing interviews where he confesses that he wishes he'd left Portland years earlier, same as Garnett did.
You watch what I tell you: Lillard's going to get traded somewhere and win a championship. And then, 5-7 years after he retires, he's going to be doing interviews where he confesses that he wishes he'd left Portland years earlier, same as Garnett did.
I dont know where else to put this but it seems like the new CBA is going to be a reality check for mid skilled/middle aged players and their salareis in the next few years. Seems like the value is now going to be your one or two max superstars and a bunch of guys on rookie contracts. Journey men will have to accept a pay cut or be replaced with rookies.
For the record my only research into this is comments on the board. Not sure how the players agreed to this. Maybe I'm missing something?
For the record my only research into this is comments on the board. Not sure how the players agreed to this. Maybe I'm missing something?
I don't know if that's going to be the case, at least much more than it already is today. The major effect of the new CBA in these respects is to really dial up the penalties on teams that go far over the salary cap. To be honest, thus far the measures that have been introduced haven't really done a whole lot to curb league-wide spending.
"We are instituting a salary cap, but giving you exceptions to sign your own players." "Well, too many teams are going over the salary cap, so we are going to institute a luxury tax." "Well, too many teams are going over the luxury tax, so we are going to institute an apron that curtails some spending ability." "Well, too many teams are going over the apron, so we are going to institute a second apron that is really going to do the job now!"
Yet all along, the thing that is keeping the players happy and their bank accounts fat is the huge number of exceptions to the salary cap that almost all teams take advantage of. Bird Rights, extensions, the various MLEs, the BAE, and of course cap room from teams that don't have two superstars already all go towards giving non-superstar veteran players a decent payday. I don't see that fundamentally changing, even though there's now a much harder cap at a high salary threshold that few teams are willing to approach due to the previous luxury tax/apron implications.
"We are instituting a salary cap, but giving you exceptions to sign your own players." "Well, too many teams are going over the salary cap, so we are going to institute a luxury tax." "Well, too many teams are going over the luxury tax, so we are going to institute an apron that curtails some spending ability." "Well, too many teams are going over the apron, so we are going to institute a second apron that is really going to do the job now!"
Yet all along, the thing that is keeping the players happy and their bank accounts fat is the huge number of exceptions to the salary cap that almost all teams take advantage of. Bird Rights, extensions, the various MLEs, the BAE, and of course cap room from teams that don't have two superstars already all go towards giving non-superstar veteran players a decent payday. I don't see that fundamentally changing, even though there's now a much harder cap at a high salary threshold that few teams are willing to approach due to the previous luxury tax/apron implications.
I think it's really the second contracts that are going to get pinched. I am not sure how much of those guys are the "middle class" of the NBA, but basically if you don't suck, most guys entering RFA ask for the maximum raise. If you are all-star potential, you ask for designated rookie status (I am not sure if teams have ever really gotten into having two guys at the same time fight for this status and what happens, but my guess is Philly may have between Embiid and Simmons which didn't help things?)
That will make things really interesting for the OKC, Detroit, Houstons who went all in on FRP accumulation - right now it looks like OKC are the only team that nailed their picks. I'd think a team like Utah might be inclined to sell some of the capital they got for Spyda and Gobert for established players rather than wait for those picks to convey now.
Will this stop teams from processing in the future?
That will make things really interesting for the OKC, Detroit, Houstons who went all in on FRP accumulation - right now it looks like OKC are the only team that nailed their picks. I'd think a team like Utah might be inclined to sell some of the capital they got for Spyda and Gobert for established players rather than wait for those picks to convey now.
Will this stop teams from processing in the future?
Im not sure I know enough to talk about this but here goes...
It seems like stars will still get star/max money.
Rookies get rookie contracts based on draft position.
They guys in the middle have to earn it. Not that stars don't, it's just more vague when you're a role/bench player. I guess there's a clear starter teir that commands a certian dollar.
I think theres going to bean increased turn over of these mid guys(like a former King with questionable health and overly vocal dad), and rookies will be worth more. GMs won't be paying to "take a chance" on a guy looking for a 2nd contract if he didn't show out as a rook.
Maybe this makes the g-league even more relevant? Keeping guys there until they seem NBA contract ready, or not?
I guess we'll see and know no more in the next couple years as it plays out. Maybe money dosent matter to these folks and they will just keep shelling it out...
It seems like stars will still get star/max money.
Rookies get rookie contracts based on draft position.
They guys in the middle have to earn it. Not that stars don't, it's just more vague when you're a role/bench player. I guess there's a clear starter teir that commands a certian dollar.
I think theres going to bean increased turn over of these mid guys(like a former King with questionable health and overly vocal dad), and rookies will be worth more. GMs won't be paying to "take a chance" on a guy looking for a 2nd contract if he didn't show out as a rook.
Maybe this makes the g-league even more relevant? Keeping guys there until they seem NBA contract ready, or not?
I guess we'll see and know no more in the next couple years as it plays out. Maybe money dosent matter to these folks and they will just keep shelling it out...
Marcus Smart is 29-years-old, still has the same offensive issues that Davion has, and is making 60 million dollars over the next three years. Grizzlies were probably much better off just keeping Tyus Jones and patching things up with Dillion Brooks than trading Jones and two FRP draft assets for a guy they're still gonna need to pencil in as a third guard.
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Marcus Smart is much bigger, longer and can guard more positions/players. He's 3x first team all-NBA defense and has won DPOY. I love Davion Mitchell, but he's not Marcus Smart. And the KINGS could really use a pitbull defender with the length/size Smart has, something they haven't really had since Ron Artest.
Agreed, I wouldn't have given up TWO FRP's, which I clearly stated earlier was too much. But I sure would have loved to get Smart for #24, a player and maybe one of our 2nd rounders.
Smart is gonna fit right in with Memphis' defense-first mentality. But he would have fit in really well here in SAC, with what the KINGS are lacking and also his ability to create for others.
Agreed, I wouldn't have given up TWO FRP's, which I clearly stated earlier was too much. But I sure would have loved to get Smart for #24, a player and maybe one of our 2nd rounders.
Smart is gonna fit right in with Memphis' defense-first mentality. But he would have fit in really well here in SAC, with what the KINGS are lacking and also his ability to create for others.
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