My ideal off-season....

[Smills91]

Trade #1:

Kings deal: Carl Landry
Kings receive: Ty Lawson+filler

Kings sign Tyrus Thomas to a 5 year 32 million dollar front loaded deal.
9M-7M-6M-5M-5M with a team option on the final year and see if the bobcats are willing to add 9 million in salary to their roster(I don't think they will).

Sign Sylven Landesberg to minimum deal and Re-sign Jon Brockman

My new Kings roster:

C: Samuel Dalembert, DeMarcus Cousins, Hassan Whiteside
PF: Jason Thompson, Tyrus Thomas, Jon Brockman
SF: Donte Green, Omri Casspi
SG: Tyreke Evans, Francisco Garcia, Sylven Landesberg
PG: Ty Lawson, Beno Udrih

MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!

 

[Heuge]

Eww...to trade.

1) I think this trade overestimates the value of Ty Lawson and underestimates the value of Landry.

2) I am in the camp that we have our PG. The mismatches that Reke creates because the other teams pg has to cover him should not be overlooked. I think the best pairing with Reke is a smart 2 guard who can shoot and pass and play defense of the Doug Christie mold. Lawson just isnt that. Bringing in a pg like him would force Reke to make shooting become more of a strength in his game, and it simply isnt there yet.

 

[Prince_XY]

Eww...to trade.

1) I think this trade overestimates the value of Ty Lawson and underestimates the value of Landry.

2) I am in the camp that we have our PG. The mismatches that Reke creates because the other teams pg has to cover him should not be overlooked. I think the best pairing with Reke is a smart 2 guard who can shoot and pass and play defense of the Doug Christie mold. Lawson just isnt that. Bringing in a pg like him would force Reke to make shooting become more of a strength in his game, and it simply isnt there yet.

I kind of agree.

Replacing Landry with Tyrus Thomas, as if it would help ease the logjam we have on our bigs?

Ewww.

And acquiring another dwarf in Ty Lawson at the expense of Landry?

Ewww.

I also think Landry has more value than what the OP thought.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I can't get behind this. Why trade away Landry only to get a backup point guard (Yes, Virginia, Tyreke is our point guard) and then replace Landry with Tyrus Thomas for 3x the money? Doesn't seem to help us move forward.

 

[91sickness]

Agreed. As of right now, Landry is our only proven low post scorer. While im sure it wont take long for Demarcus to establish himself, i think Landry plays a very important role on this team as our #2 scorer. There are a lot of guys that could easily take over this roll, Donte Omri, Cousins, Cisco even...but until any of them come out and average 17 a night, i think we need to keep Landry. I also think with our new aquistions his minutes will go down as will his stats, so when it comes time to resign him, we may be able to get him for a discount. He is undersized Pf who doesnt rebound all that great so its not like people will be knocking down his door @ midnight on july 1. With the size and length we aquired over the past week or so, his poor rebounding will hopefully be slightly masked. As a 10-15 pt scoring "big man" off the bench, Landry plays a very important roll on this team and we need to keep him around, his is also relatively young and fits in with what this team is trying to build.

 

[Krunker]

Anyone know if Reke is working on his jumper this summer?

 

[sc3252]

Anyone know if Reke is working on his jumper this summer?

yeah I know what you mean, I say I am doing something and never do it all the time.

 

[Jespher]

My ideal offseason:

Kings current roster:

PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih
SG Francisco Garcia
SF Donte Greene/Omri Casspi
PF Carl Landry/Jason Thompson
C DeMarcus Cousins/Samuel Dalembert
+ 15 million in cap space

July15th: Kings sign and trade LeBron James for Omri Casspi + Cash (utilizing cap space)
August 17th: Kings sign and trade Chris Bosh for Samuel Dalembert and Carl Landry
(This deal can be completed July 1st, and consummated in August )

Updated Roster:

PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih
SG Francisco Garcia
SF LeBron James/Donte Greene
PF Chris Bosh/Jason Thompson
C DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson

Other Probable Kings Signings Around the Minimum:

Hassan Whiteside (Nonguaranteed contract at the moment)
Jon Brockman (Everybody loves him )
Ime Udoka (Westphal really likes him)
Dominick McGuire (Defensive 2 guard)
Kings sign best guard available from free agents/summer league for bench minutes

Final Roster Going into Training Camp:

PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/+ FA PG/SG
SG Francisco Garcia/Dominick McGuire/Ime Udoka
SF LeBron James/Donte Greene
PF Chris Bosh/Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman
C DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside

Final Roster = 13 players
Core of Tyreke Evans/LeBron James/Chris Bosh/DeMarcus Cousins
LeBron and Bosh spur the Heat to go to the Kings due to their established ownership, experienced GM, and excellent collection of young talent. Go Kings!

 

[Smills91]

Hey why not throw in a Garcia for Joe Johnson SnT while you're at it. I'm sure all 3 would love to come and play together in SACRAMENTO.

 

[Kingstime]

I agree with everyone else, it makes no sense bringing in a guy like Lawson unless you plan on moving Reke to the 2. There's no reason to move Reke to the 2 it changes our whole offensive makeup while Reke would probably flourish at the 2, I still see him being able to be a top 5 NBA PG within the next 2 years time.

For me personally this is already an ideal off season for us, our BIGGEST weaknesses and sources of frustration all year have been taken care of, now we just have to wait and see how these guys come along.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

This all seems a bit drastic for what amounts to minor upgrades on a team we haven't even seen play together yet. The addition of 3 full size bodies plus a year's growth for Evans, Donte and Omri should make this team radically different than what we had last season. While I can see spending some of our cap money to solidify our 2 guard spot, I think we should be cautious about any other major changes until we know what we have.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

I am not a Tyrus Thomas fan, definitely would not give him that much money. So here is my off season plan.

With a draft of Cousins and Whiteside, I think it makes Dalembert and Landry expendable. I would prefer Josh Smith instead of AK47, but that is too much crazy for one team. Utah would save 5 M on this trade and be in a better position to resign Boozer. This deal would have to go through after mid-august. The New Jersey deal we would basically be paid to take the pick so they can have more cap space.

1. Kris Humphries + GSW 1st + Cash -> 2020 2nd rounder
2. Landry -> Bayless + Rights to Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland
3. Dalembert->AK47 + Memphis Pick
4. Sign Brockman, McGuire, and Ryan Thompson (Towel Waiver)

C: DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside
PF: AK47/Jon Brockman/Kris Humphries
SF: Donte Green/Omri Casspi/McGuire
SG: Francisco Garcia/Bayless/Ryan Thompson
PG: Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih

Future:
2011 GSW Lottery Protected 2011, Top 11 (2012), Top 10 protected 2013
2011 Memphis Top 14 Protected 2011, Top 12 in 2012, Top 10 in 2013, etc.
Petteri Koponen Future Backup PG
Joel Freeland Future Backup PF/C

 

[Kingsguy881]

Trade #1:

Kings deal: Carl Landry
Kings receive: Ty Lawson+filler

Kings sign Tyrus Thomas to a 5 year 32 million dollar front loaded deal.
9M-7M-6M-5M-5M with a team option on the final year and see if the bobcats are willing to add 9 million in salary to their roster(I don't think they will).

Sign Sylven Landesberg to minimum deal and Re-sign Jon Brockman

My new Kings roster:

C: Samuel Dalembert, DeMarcus Cousins, Hassan Whiteside
PF: Jason Thompson, Tyrus Thomas, Jon Brockman
SF: Donte Green, Omri Casspi
SG: Tyreke Evans, Francisco Garcia, Sylven Landesberg
PG: Ty Lawson, Beno Udrih

MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!

No offense...but your 'ideal offseason' hurts more than helps. From one undersized pf to another, and adding an undersized pg when we have an oversized pg? And you are seriously devaluing Landry. And SERIOUSLY overpaying Thomas. No go.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I am not a Tyrus Thomas fan, definitely would not give him that much money. So here is my off season plan.

With a draft of Cousins and Whiteside, I think it makes Dalembert and Landry expendable. I would prefer Josh Smith instead of AK47, but that is too much crazy for one team. Utah would save 5 M on this trade and be in a better position to resign Boozer. This deal would have to go through after mid-august. The New Jersey deal we would basically be paid to take the pick so they can have more cap space.

1. Kris Humphries + GSW 1st + Cash -> 2020 2nd rounder
2. Landry -> Bayless + Rights to Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland
3. Dalembert->AK47 + Memphis Pick
4. Sign Brockman, McGuire, and Ryan Thompson (Towel Waiver)

C: DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside
PF: AK47/Jon Brockman/Kris Humphries
SF: Donte Green/Omri Casspi/McGuire
SG: Francisco Garcia/Bayless/Ryan Thompson
PG: Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih

Future:
2011 GSW Lottery Protected 2011, Top 11 (2012), Top 10 protected 2013
2011 Memphis Top 14 Protected 2011, Top 12 in 2012, Top 10 in 2013, etc.
Petteri Koponen Future Backup PG
Joel Freeland Future Backup PF/C

Kirilenko is not a PF and he is too damn injury prone to trade away an asset like Landry.

 

[Kingstime]

I am not a Tyrus Thomas fan, definitely would not give him that much money. So here is my off season plan.

With a draft of Cousins and Whiteside, I think it makes Dalembert and Landry expendable. I would prefer Josh Smith instead of AK47, but that is too much crazy for one team. Utah would save 5 M on this trade and be in a better position to resign Boozer. This deal would have to go through after mid-august. The New Jersey deal we would basically be paid to take the pick so they can have more cap space.

1. Kris Humphries + GSW 1st + Cash -> 2020 2nd rounder
2. Landry -> Bayless + Rights to Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland
3. Dalembert->AK47 + Memphis Pick
4. Sign Brockman, McGuire, and Ryan Thompson (Towel Waiver)

C: DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside
PF: AK47/Jon Brockman/Kris Humphries
SF: Donte Green/Omri Casspi/McGuire
SG: Francisco Garcia/Bayless/Ryan Thompson
PG: Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih

Future:
2011 GSW Lottery Protected 2011, Top 11 (2012), Top 10 protected 2013
2011 Memphis Top 14 Protected 2011, Top 12 in 2012, Top 10 in 2013, etc.
Petteri Koponen Future Backup PG
Joel Freeland Future Backup PF/C

Landry could never be expendable hes our only proven low post threat and has a legit mid range jumper plus hes tough as nails...unlike a frail oft injured AK47.

 

[The Hammer]

I agree with everyone else, it makes no sense bringing in a guy like Lawson unless you plan on moving Reke to the 2. There's no reason to move Reke to the 2 it changes our whole offensive makeup while Reke would probably flourish at the 2, I still see him being able to be a top 5 NBA PG within the next 2 years time.

For me personally this is already an ideal off season for us, our BIGGEST weaknesses and sources of frustration all year have been taken care of, now we just have to wait and see how these guys come along.

Tyreke is a top 5 PG at this very moment.

 

[Bricklayer]

I remain a little nonplussed why people have been trying to trade Landry away ever since we got him. I like the guy. The rebounding is atrocious, but that just makes him a bencher/6th man rather than high level starter. But I can easily, and I do mean EASILY, see Carl Landry as a core rotation player on a championship team. He can't be your best inside guy, not at that size. But as a tough energetic high skill guy off the bench? Absolutely.

Unfortunately we are going to have to make some decisions with no fewer than 5 frontcourt guys all with arguments for their minutes and future. But just throwing aside a tough guy, good chemsitry guy, and our most sophisticated inside scorer (at the moment) to go get a thrid string PG or something just doesn't make sense. We have no holes on this roster that require us to sacrifice such a valuable piece. Not yet.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Agree on Landry. He's cheap for now and he's not hurting us and he should be able to carve a niche for himself on this roster. If its only for scoring punch against the other teams bench players so be it.

 

[Tetsujin]

I am not a Tyrus Thomas fan, definitely would not give him that much money. So here is my off season plan.

With a draft of Cousins and Whiteside, I think it makes Dalembert and Landry expendable. I would prefer Josh Smith instead of AK47, but that is too much crazy for one team. Utah would save 5 M on this trade and be in a better position to resign Boozer. This deal would have to go through after mid-august. The New Jersey deal we would basically be paid to take the pick so they can have more cap space.

1. Kris Humphries + GSW 1st + Cash -> 2020 2nd rounder
2. Landry -> Bayless + Rights to Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland
3. Dalembert->AK47 + Memphis Pick
4. Sign Brockman, McGuire, and Ryan Thompson (Towel Waiver)

C: DeMarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside
PF: AK47/Jon Brockman/Kris Humphries
SF: Donte Green/Omri Casspi/McGuire
SG: Francisco Garcia/Bayless/Ryan Thompson
PG: Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih

Future:
2011 GSW Lottery Protected 2011, Top 11 (2012), Top 10 protected 2013
2011 Memphis Top 14 Protected 2011, Top 12 in 2012, Top 10 in 2013, etc.
Petteri Koponen Future Backup PG
Joel Freeland Future Backup PF/C

At this point, I don't think we need to start stockpiling draft picks. In addition, AK47 isn't a power forward so I'm really not sure why we'd play him as one (I really don't see how trading Dalembert for AK47 makes us better since we'd just be acquiring another 3 to clog up the minutes for Donte and Omri). Realistically, the line-up would end up looking like this.

Cousins
JT
AK47
Cisco
Reke



Personally, I'd rather stay put. Let's see how everyone plays before we try to demolish our recently put together frontcourt depth.

 

[Kingstime]

Tyreke is a top 5 PG at this very moment.

Dwill, CP3, Rondo, Rose and you gotta keep Nash in there.

In 2 years time Reke will be right there with DWill, Cp3 and Rondo. If he gets that jumper down he will be right there with DWill and DWill only as the top 2 PG's in the game.

But even with my love for Reke's game I can't discount where those 5 lie in terms of the PG heirachy.

 

[Tetsujin]

Dwill, CP3, Rondo, Rose and you gotta keep Nash in there.

In 2 years time Reke will be right there with DWill, Cp3 and Rondo. If he gets that jumper down he will be right there with DWill and DWill only as the top 2 PG's in the game.

But even with my love for Reke's game I can't discount where those 5 lie in terms of the PG heirachy.

IMO, Tyreke is a completely different sort of player from those guys so it's kind of hard to compare.

 

[Kingstime]

IMO, Tyreke is a completely different sort of player from those guys so it's kind of hard to compare.

Oh unquestionably he is, but he's classified in the NBA as a PG. In time I see him not only being a top flight PG, but also the top 5 NBA player in a couple years. Once he gets that jumper down anybody will be hardpressed to find a player better than him in the whole NBA not named Lebron, Melo, Wade or Howard IMO.

 

[The Hammer]

Oh unquestionably he is, but he's classified in the NBA as a PG. In time I see him not only being a top flight PG, but also the top 5 NBA player in a couple years. Once he gets that jumper down anybody will be hardpressed to find a player better than him in the whole NBA not named Lebron, Melo, Wade or Howard IMO.

In a couple years, I think that list is going to be a little different. I'd say top 5 in two years: Lebron, Tyreke, Durant, Melo, Wade. In that order, with Durant and Tyreke essentially tied, but Tyreke having the edge because of his penetration ability that breaks down defenses and his ability to find the open man having improved. Tyreke will make his teammates better than Durant. Also, Tyreke is a better defender, and can defend more positions. He is also better at creating and making a shot in must score situations.

All the great new additions to our team is stretching my concept of how bright our future is, which is challenging. One of the challenges is remembering/realizing how good Tyreke is, and how good he is going to become. 20 years old. 20.

 

[Kingsguy881]

In a couple years, I think that list is going to be a little different. I'd say top 5 in two years: Lebron, Tyreke, Durant, Melo, Wade. In that order, with Durant and Tyreke essentially tied, but Tyreke having the edge because of his penetration ability that breaks down defenses and his ability to find the open man having improved. Tyreke will make his teammates better than Durant. Also, Tyreke is a better defender, and can defend more positions. He is also better at creating and making a shot in must score situations.

All the great new additions to our team, is stretching my concept of how bright our future is, which is challenging. One of the challenges is remembering/realizing how good Tyreke is, and how good he is going to become. 20 years old. 20.

Yes sir!! Drop that Hammer, son! But keep your perspective. 20 years old, baby. Only 20. And 19 years old baby. Only 19.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Kirilenko is not a PF and he is too damn injury prone to trade away an asset like Landry.

Kirilenko is really a PF who plays out of position. If you look at his stats he always plays best at PF. In his only season without Malone or Boozer he posted a PER of 23 from the PF position. Now that was a long time ago, but I think we need a weak side shot blocker next to Cousins. I would perfer Josh Smith, but I don't see a way to get Atlanta to trade him.

Landry only has one year left on his deal and I don't see us spending money on a backup PF going foward with all of our players who will need contract extentions. So I would rather get some value now as opposed to letting him walk.

 

[bajaden]

Dwill, CP3, Rondo, Rose and you gotta keep Nash in there.

In 2 years time Reke will be right there with DWill, Cp3 and Rondo. If he gets that jumper down he will be right there with DWill and DWill only as the top 2 PG's in the game.

But even with my love for Reke's game I can't discount where those 5 lie in terms of the PG heirachy.

Take Tyreke, Williams, Paul, Rose, and Rondo, and place them your order of value. For instance, would you trade Tyreke straight across for Rondo right now. I wouldn't! But would you, and if not, then Tyreke has more value to you and then should be ranked higher by you.

 

[Telemachus]

Dwill, CP3, Rondo, Rose and you gotta keep Nash in there.

In 2 years time Reke will be right there with DWill, Cp3 and Rondo. If he gets that jumper down he will be right there with DWill and DWill only as the top 2 PG's in the game.

But even with my love for Reke's game I can't discount where those 5 lie in terms of the PG heirachy.

I agree that Deron Williams and Chris Paul are the 2 best PGs in the NBA, and place Nash just behind them (still waiting for him to fade). After those 3, I can't agree that any other PG is better than Tyreke. You can make a case for Rondo, but I wonder how good he would be w/o the big 3 there in Boston. I personally think that Tyreke is already better than Rose.

 

[Kingstime]

I personally rank Reke high on my list as I think he will eventually bring our guys to the promised land.

However I can't objectively rank Reke higher than Rondo right now as his perforamnces on the big stage of the playoffs for the past 2 years cannot be denied. In his first season he got a ring, but I definately don't see him as being a reason for that as he was definately just there for the ride for the ring. He is definately a top 3 pg right now.

It's just really hard to even group Reke in with these guys but he does play pg so you have to by default and to anwser the question above I wouldn't trade Reke for any of these guys as his ceiling is unquestionably higher, plus his age doesn't hurt his situation either.