Mock Draft

Jespher

Jespher

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I've been looking at a bunch of mock drafts, and the consensus is pretty much Michael Beasley #1, Derrick Rose #2. The tournament has also helped the UCLA players Collison, and Love. For some reason, I only saw Tyler Hansborough mentioned in the lottery in one draft, and he was going to the Kings.

We seem to be gravitating towards the #12 or #13 pick so I was wondering what everyone's ideas were for a mock draft order. I would personally be delighted if the Kings drafted the best or second best point guard, or power forward in the draft, as those are the King's needs, and this draft has plenty of skill at both positions. Would anyone consider Hansborogh if Beasley, Love, Lopez, and Co. were already picked?

http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2008/mockdraft

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft

http://www.realgm.com/src_goaltending/134/20080402/follow_the_future_at_the_final_four/
 
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Any mock drafts right now that DO take team needs into are pretty meaningless since we don't know who's picking where.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Any mock drafts right now that DO take team needs into are pretty meaningless since we don't know who's picking where.
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Then you could use this as a prediction thread, like a before and after. Just trying to have a little fun and conversation man...
 
Aight, that's cool bro. I'll post a mock to get it started.

Miami - Michael Beasley
Seattle - Derrick Rose
Minnesota - Brook Lopez
New York - Jerryd Bayless
Memphis - Eric Gordon
LAC - O.J. Mayo
Milwaukee - Danilo Gallinari
Charlotte - Blake Griffin
Chicago - JaVale McGee (I can see Love going here too, but Noah and Thomas are more PF's than C's. McGee may take longer than they're willing to wait, but he's a long athletic C with good post skills)
New Jersey - DeAndre Jordan
Indiana - D.J. Augustin (I can see Bird liking Love's big man passing a lot, but I think Augustin fits their squad the most right now)
Sacramento - Darrell Arthur
Portland - Nicolas Batum
Golden State - Anthony Randolph
 
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Where do you think Arthur ranks in the best PF list? I haven't really watched Kansas this year, but they seem to be more of a Pistons style, deep, win with team concept team than a conglomeration of stars type of a team. I checked out a couple of his highlights, and it looks like he is a very physical finisher, but how are his passing skills, and defense?
 
http://www.nbamock.com is another mock site that seems to update regularly.

Round two link isn't working though I think. My mock is below, and it takes into account team needs except for Miami which is because I think Beasley is the overall #1.

1. Beasley (MIA)
2. Rose (SEA)
3. Lopez (MEM)
4. Bayless (MIN)
5. Mayo (NYK)
6. Gordon (LAC)
7. Gallinari (MIL)
8. Griffin (CHA)
9. Love (CHI)
10. Jordan (NJ)
11. Collison (IND)
12. Augustin (SAC)
 
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Jespher said:
Where do you think Arthur ranks in the best PF list? I haven't really watched Kansas this year, but they seem to be more of a Pistons style, deep, win with team concept team than a conglomeration of stars type of a team. I checked out a couple of his highlights, and it looks like he is a very physical finisher, but how are his passing skills, and defense?
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I have Arthur going #17 to PHI. Philadelphia has Thaddeus Young as the future PF, but I think it's a bit off. Young isn't your typical PF. He plays more like a SF w/o the 3pt shot (ALA Gerald Wallace in his earlier years). I think PHI might draft a true PF in Arthur, and move Young to SF, and Iguodala to SG where I believe he can do the most damage.

Arthur is a good defender. Steps out a lot and is able to guard the perimeter (sometimes too much which lowers his rebounding total imo) but is foul prone. He bites on pump fakes and gets caught in the air a bit too much. But as a college player he is an over average defender, and it should translate to the NBA. Arthur is a good shooter inside of about 10ft, and on the offensive rebound when he is in position he is able to use an array of fakes, and up and under moves to get the hoop. BUT he is a bit weak on the offensive board. Arthur is used a LOT when it comes to screening for the guards, and I will have to agree with what was said above that he isn't passed the ball a lot, but there could be reasons for that. I hadn't seen any "stone hands" issues so I am not sure why they don't get him the ball more. Might be because he's out of position (range) when setting screens.
 
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Gary said:
http://www.nbamock.com is another mock site that seems to update regularly.

Round two link isn't working though I think. My mock is below, and it takes into account team needs except for Miami which is because I think Beasley is the overall #1.

1. Beasley (MIA)
2. Rose (SEA)
3. Lopez (MEM)
4. Bayless (MIN)
5. Mayo (NYK)
6. Gordon (LAC)
7. Gallinari (MIL)
8. Griffin (CHA)
9. Love (CHI)
10. Jordan (NJ)
11. Collison (IND)
12. Augustin (SAC)
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I'm not sure about Love to Chicago, they still haven't given up on Thomas. I guess it's possible they can pair up Noah and Love and that would work okay, but I don't think they're going to want that unless they don't think Thomas is starting material anymore.

Collison to Indiana, while I'd like for that to happen which would allow us to get Augustin, I don't think it will since O'Brien likes to play an up-tempo offensive game and Augustin is much better suited for that kind of offense than Collison.
 
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I'm not sure about Love to Chicago, they still haven't given up on Thomas. I guess it's possible they can pair up Noah and Love and that would work okay, but I don't think they're going to want that unless they don't think Thomas is starting material anymore.

Collison to Indiana, while I'd like for that to happen which would allow us to get Augustin, I don't think it will since O'Brien likes to play an up-tempo offensive game and Augustin is much better suited for that kind of offense than Collison.
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Yah.. I like Thomas, but he's been so inconsistent. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to move him. Another reason is that he's a SF, not a PF. He isn't a good enough rebounder, and does not have the bulk to play PF.

I think if Collison does well in the final four he might leapfrog over Augustin. Plus the size issue might cause Augustin to drop a bit. Augustin did win that award though for best PG.... Who knows. Might be Sacramento King Homer'ism because if we can't get Love I want Augustin.
 
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Gary said:
Yah.. I like Thomas, but he's been so inconsistent. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to move him. Another reason is that he's a SF, not a PF. He isn't a good enough rebounder, and does not have the bulk to play PF.
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Yea, it depends on what they think of Thomas. I don't know if Chicago would for Love because they've been so enamored recently with length and athleticism, but the skills Love has they kind need. So if they're not really thinking of Thomas as a future starter then they seriously consider Love, but I think they'd like a skilled and long center like McGee even though it's a bit high for him.
 
1. Michael Beasley (Miami)
2. Derrick Rose (Seattle)
3. Brook Lopez (Memphis)
4. Jerryd Bayless (Minnesota)
5. Blake Griffin (New York)
6. Russell Westbrook ( L.A. Clips)
7. Danilo Ganillari (Milwaukee)
8. DeAndre Jordan (Charlotte)
9. O.J. Mayo (Chicago)
10. Kevin Love (Indiana)
11. Javale McGee (New Jersey)
12 Darren Collison (Sacramento)
13. Anthony Randolph (Portland)
14. Eric Gordon (Golden State)
 
I was very impressed with Douglas Roberts, and he may move up the draft board before its all said and done. If our only choice is between Augustin and Collison, then I would rather take a gamble on a big man in the draft.
 
bajaden said:
I was very impressed with Douglas Roberts, and he may move up the draft board before its all said and done. If our only choice is between Augustin and Collison, then I would rather take a gamble on a big man in the draft.
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About as high as a player like Douglas-Roberts can move is the first team either drafting for best available, or in serious need of a tweener.

That being said I have him going 16th to the Raptors... But not yet decided if the Raptors will go for Douglas-Roberts or Nicolas Batum.
 
Gary said:
About as high as a player like Douglas-Roberts can move is the first team either drafting for best available, or in serious need of a tweener.

That being said I have him going 16th to the Raptors... But not yet decided if the Raptors will go for Douglas-Roberts or Nicolas Batum.
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I guess the question at hand, is would you take him if you were the Kings. I know that we already have plenty of 2 - 3 players on the team. Lets say, we have a deal to trade Salmons. Would you then take a flyer on Douglas Roberts. Just a thought. Here's some draftexpress info on him.


The numbers are pretty staggering when you look at them and compare what he’s doing with his peers in this draft class. On a per-40 minute pace adjusted basis, Douglas-Roberts ranks in the top five in scoring amongst realistic shooting guard prospects, as well as #1 by a large margin in FG%, top five in 3-point percentage, top 5 in free throw attempts, top 5 in PER, top 5 in points per possession, top 5 in true shooting percentage, top 5 in effective field goal percentage, and 8th best in turnovers per possession.

While his numbers are up across the board from last season to this, what’s even more interesting is just how much Douglas-Roberts has changed his playing style…According to Synergy Sports Technology’s quantified player reports, jump-shots (mid-range and 3-pointers) only accounted for 24% of CDR’s offense last season, of which he converted only 35%. This season, jumpers account for 46% of his offense, and he is converting on 43% of them. He looked fairly limited last season in the fact when he put the ball on the floor, he strongly preferred going right (61%), while this season he’s almost even at 49% right, and 51% left. Last season, when he started slashing, it was pretty obvious that he was going all the way to the rack—as he only pulled up off the dribble 12% of the time. This season, that number has risen to 58%. Even though he takes it all the way to the rack slightly less often, he still gets to the free throw line at a better rate, and converts on his shots at the rim on a phenomenal 64% clip, compared with “just” 57% last season.
 
bajaden said:
I guess the question at hand, is would you take him if you were the Kings. I know that we already have plenty of 2 - 3 players on the team. Lets say, we have a deal to trade Salmons. Would you then take a flyer on Douglas Roberts. Just a thought. Here's some draftexpress info on him.
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No I wouldn't take him, because he doesn't fill any kind of a need. We have Martin, Garcia, Artest, Salmons that can all play SG, SF or both. Usually players like Douglas-Roberts go to teams that are drafting best available in the 20-30 range like the Kings were when they selected Garcia, Wallace, K-Mart, and Douby (kind of). Can't really say Dickau because we traded him to the Hawks I believe right after we drafted him, so i think we were drafting for them. I have a feeling that Douglas-Roberts can definitely turn into a gem like Garcia, K-Mart, or Wallace. He probably is the best SG/SF tweener in the draft. I actually had him going to Toronto because it fills a need for them. So he actually didn't make it to that "best available" range of picks near the end of the first round... Also have Gallinari as a "need" player too.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Douglas-Roberts will be drafted as a "need" player, as will Gallinari, Budinger and maybe Batum (all of whom play SG/SF) but only Gallinari will be drafted ahead of #12. There just isn't much demand for SG/SF tweeners and it's funny because a lot of elite west conference teams are in need of these type of players AHEM Phoenix, Dallas, Utah, New Orleans.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Aight, that's cool bro. I'll post a mock to get it started.

Miami - Michael Beasley
Seattle - Derrick Rose
Minnesota - Brook Lopez
New York - Jerryd Bayless
Memphis - Eric Gordon
LAC - O.J. Mayo
Milwaukee - Danilo Gallinari
Charlotte - Blake Griffin
Chicago - JaVale McGee (I can see Love going here too, but Noah and Thomas are more PF's than C's. McGee may take longer than they're willing to wait, but he's a long athletic C with good post skills)
New Jersey - DeAndre Jordan
Indiana - D.J. Augustin (I can see Bird liking Love's big man passing a lot, but I think Augustin fits their squad the most right now)
Sacramento - Darrell Arthur
Portland - Nicolas Batum
Golden State - Anthony Randolph
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There is no way Petrie passes on Batum if he is available. If he is on the board when we pick I can almost promise he will be a King.
 
jimbodan said:
There is no way Petrie passes on Batum if he is available. If he is on the board when we pick I can almost promise he will be a King.
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Perhaps, depends on what the long term plans are with Artest. I would certainly like Batum over Arthur.
 
jimbodan said:
There is no way Petrie passes on Batum if he is available. If he is on the board when we pick I can almost promise he will be a King.
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I think we would.. He doesn't fill any kind of need for us at all.. Not unless we are trading Salmons, Artest, and/or Garcia. We have WAY too many people that are playing those positions right now, and we don't even give them enough minutes...

There is Westbrook, Collison, Augustin, Love. One of those four should be available when we pick. Augustin, Love, and Westbrook are Petrie type players. Batum is too, but I can't see us drafting another SG/SF unless there was a trade.
 
Smills91 said:
JaVale McGee reminds me of Patrick O'Bryant...I'd steer clear of that pick.
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I think McGee is more athletic and has a better skill set than O'Bryant, but yea they're similar. But that doesn't change that O'Bryant had a lot of potential as does McGee and the rest has a lot to do with how hard they work to put on strength and work on their post game.
 
Smills91 said:
JaVale McGee reminds me of Patrick O'Bryant...I'd steer clear of that pick.
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McGee won't go in the lottery. I can almost guarantee it. There are too many players that have more upside, and that have proven more at the college level in major d1 schools than McGee. I can name 15-20 players who I think can go above McGee.
 
Gary said:
McGee won't go in the lottery. I can almost guarantee it. There are too many players that have more upside, and that have proven more at the college level in major d1 schools than McGee. I can name 15-20 players who I think can go above McGee.
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He's one of those guys who can go in the top 10 or slip past 20. Similar to Diop, Sene, and Bynum. I doubt he'll go top 10, but raw athletic big man often find a way in the lottery even if they don't really belong there. All it takes is one team thinking he can become the next Bynum.
 
Vlade4GM said:
He's one of those guys who can go in the top 10 or slip past 20. Similar to Diop, Sene, and Bynum. I doubt he'll go top 10, but raw athletic big man often find a way in the lottery even if they don't really belong there. All it takes is one team thinking he can become the next Bynum.
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If thats the case then De Von Hardin should be in the lottery. He's about as athletic as you can get and 6'11". And at this point has more skills than several people ranked above him.
 
Smills91 said:
JaVale McGee reminds me of Patrick O'Bryant...I'd steer clear of that pick.
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I'm not a big O'Bryant fan, but in fairness to him, we won't know just how good he can be until he gets out the system he's in. I've always seen him as more of a halfcourt center and he just doesn't fit into Don Nelsons plans.
 
bajaden said:
If thats the case then De Von Hardin should be in the lottery. He's about as athletic as you can get and 6'11". And at this point has more skills than several people ranked above him.
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McGee has much better offensive potential IMO and Hardin is a bit older and more experienced so his upside is more limited than McGee.
 
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