MMA Part 2 Thread

slugking50

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Ok Since the other MMA thread is gone I/m making this.


I thought about betting on Serra/St Pierre yesterday and thought not to. I am so regretting this. Some lines had Serra +900:eek:

What a upset.............



Also last night, Sportscenter finally starting mentioning MMA covering Serra's win.

About damn time!
 
Yeah, I had to watch it on my Tivo about 5 times afterwards, and still couldnt believe how not in his element GSP was. He had 'deer in the headlights' syndrome for the majority of the 3 minutes the fight lasted. Matt Serra is a good fighter, and a better wrestler/grappler, and I always gave it up to him for that. He had a great fight with Pride's champ Gomi like 7 years ago that was awesome. I thought Okami was very strong against a stunned Mike Swick...he was telling his corner between rounds 'he's really strong'. Koscheck/Sanchez was kinda like I thought, I knew that neither wanted to hit the ground, and we ended up with what we saw...kinda like the Sylvia/Arlovski fight that was pretty boring if you dont like watching boxing. Anyways...just my 2 jabs at last weeks card.
 
Of possible interest to MMA fans:

Hall of Fame Boxing Referee Richard Steele signs top MMA fighters for first show


Steele Cage launches with Fireworks in the Cage July 7th in Las Vegas

Las Vegas, Nevada – April 16, 2007 – Hall of Fame Boxing Referee Richard Steele, who recently retired as arguably boxing’s greatest referee, will now move from the ring to the cage with the launch of his new Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) promotional venture, Steele Cage Promotions, LLC (www.steelecage.com). Steele Cage will look to sign young and exciting fighters and build its own champions through the newly formed sanctioning body, International Fighting Organization (IFO). Steele has formed the venture with Las Vegas businessmen Steve Oshins and Ed Swindle.

Steele Cage’s first event, Fireworks in the Cage, will be held at The Orleans Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada on July 7, 2007, and will feature 10 exciting fights. Steele Cage has signed some of MMA’s biggest names for their first show, including Marvin “The Beastman” Eastman (13-7-1) and David “The Crow” Loiseau (14-7). Tickets can be purchased online at www.orleansarena.com or by calling the Orleans Arena at 702-284-7777 or 888-234-2334. Ticket prices range from $45.00 to $175.00.

The Beastman, with a wrestling and Muay Thai background, is no stranger to MMA fans around the world as he has fought against some of the best in the business including Rich Franklin, Vitor Belfort, Travis Lutter and Quinton “Rampage” Jackson whom Eastman beat back in 2000. His last fight came in February with a rematch loss to Jackson in Las Vegas. The Beastman will be fighting at 185lbs for the IFO’s Middleweight Championship Belt against an opponent who will be announced at a later date. Although he made his name as a Light Heavyweight, he looks to prove the doubters wrong that question whether he can maintain the strength at his new weight.

The Crow is also a household name in MMA circles and is recognized for his Tae Kwon Do and devastating elbow strikes. He has had victories over well known fighters such as Evan Tanner, Charles McCarthy and Gideon Ray, and even his losses have been to well-known fighters such as Rich Franklin to whom The Crow lost by decision in a five round battle for the UFC middleweight title in 2006. He will fight Chilo Gonzalez (9-7) from Colorado at 185lbs.

In the semi-main event and fighting for the IFO’s Featherweight 145lb title, is Brandon Shelton (14-1). Shelton hails from Oklahoma and like many from this state, he made his mark in wrestling as a 5X freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling High School All-American with an amazing overall record of 197-3. He has a unique ability to score traditional wrestling takedowns or execute spectacular throws which can be attributed to his black belt in judo. Shelton will fight against tough Canadian Stephane Vigneault (9-4). Vigneault is a former Canadian Super Lightweight Champion and is ranked amongst the top 5 Canadians in his weight class. This will be Vigneault’s U.S. debut as he hopes to build a following in the states.

Another Oklahoman ready to blast off at “Fireworks in the Cage” is Zac “Red Devil” George (11-1) at 155lbs. Like Shelton, he is a strong wrestler and has been trained in Jujitsu and Kickboxing where he holds various titles. He was the Oklahoma State USA Boxing Champion and already holds two professional MMA titles. Look for George to be a future IFO Champion, however he will first have to get by veteran Canadian Thierry Quenneville (10-5). Country and team pride will definitely be at stake as Quenneville and Vigneault, both Canadians representing TRISTAR Gym, go up against Shelton and George from the U.S. and both fighting for C3Fights in Oklahoma.

Another fighter looking to steal the spotlight on this incredible card is one more Oklahoman, Joey Gorzynski (5-0). Although his opponent is still in the works, he has signed a multi-fight deal with Steele Cage and looks to be a future champion in the 170lb division. The card will also feature the following Las Vegas talent: Lee Gibson (9-2), Chris Kennedy (3-3), Kelly Gray (1-0) and Jake Chavez and David Graham, fighting each other in their pro debut.

“Steele Cage is looking to put on the most exciting and competitive fights in MMA with each fight evenly matched”, stated Steele. Steele also added, “Not only do we have some of the biggest names in MMA with “The Crow” and “The Beastman” in our first show, but you will see some great young talent that we are looking to develop that will become future IFO Champions”.

Also, Steele Cage will soon be announcing a major TV deal that will allow MMA fans around the country to see the show from the comfort of their home. Stay tuned for details.
 
That is interesting, but I can't stop laughing over the first sentence
Hall of Fame Boxing Referee Richard Steele, who recently retired as arguably boxing’s greatest referee
Besides being responsible for one of the most egregious stoppages ever Steele was widely regarded as Don King's boy. I don't really understand how attaching Steele's name to the promotion adds anything other than a cool name but its very interesting to see more boxing people flocking to the MMA cash cow, I wonder how long it will be before the MMA headliners start commanding the fight money that top boxers do?
 
Beastman really didnt show very well vs. a nervous Rampage, and the Crow got his azz worked by Villasenior in the last/first Elite. I'll be interested to see Gibson, have heard some good things about him. I like Vigneault is a pretty exciting all-around fighter, and should put on a good show. Oh, and just my 2 jabs, on the whole 'boxing's greatest referee'...my vote goes to Mills Lane WAY before it goes to Steele. Meldrick Taylor had his career ruined by a Steele blunder, and I'll never forget that.
 
Not to go way OT but I think it was the fight itself that did Taylor in, still he deserved to hear the bell and walk out of the arena with the win that night. I was never able to appreciate JCC when he was active because he was so well protected in close fights it made me hate the guy. And to a lesser extent Steele stopped a few Tyson fights at the first hint of trouble. He is probably my least favorite championship referee outside of Jay Nady.
 
UFC will be back at ARCO July 2nd. I forgot the card. Ill try to find it. I do recall theres 3 title matches on it.


btw I heard it from Dana White's Media press conference for UFC 72 so this definately isn't a rumor.
 
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UFC will be back at ARCO July 2nd. I forgot the card. Ill try to find it. I do recall theres 3 title matches on it.


btw I heard it from Dana White's Media press conference for UFC 72 so this definately isn't a rumor.

I have 2 matches. Rashad Evans vs Tito Ortiz and Haim Gozali? vs Anderson Silva.




Dana is pissed at Ortiz. He let just a few cuss words about Ortiz. Ortiz actually had the cojones to ask for a fight this last week. But the Nevada Athletic Commission said after the weigh-in which Ortiz missed that there will be no fight.

I'm guessing Dana will be rooting for Evans;)
 
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http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=5723




05/06/2007
The World is Ready for the UFC - UFC 73 on July 7th

Las Vegas, NV (USA) – Tired of paying your hard-earned cash for events packed with hype and little else? Sick of sitting down
for a pay-per-view event and finding out that you’re paying over $50 for just three fights that include a showcase and a mismatch? The Ultimate Fighting Championship® has the cure for what is ailing fight fans, and in a continuing effort to provide what the world is truly waiting for, it is announcing yet another UFC card stacked with at least five fights that include two intense championship bouts and a heated grudge match between two light heavyweight rivals. UFC 73: STACKED features UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson “The Spider” Silva in his first title defense vs. Nate “The Great” Marquardt. UFC Lightweight Champion Sean “The Muscle Shark” Sherk puts his newly-won belt on the line vs. Brazil’s Hermes Franca. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira steps into the Octagon™ for the first time for a heavyweight war with Heath Herring – and Tito Ortiz intends to put a painful end to Rashad Evans’ perfect 15-0 record. Let the fireworks begin. UFC 73, loaded with UFC superstars, takes place LIVE from ARCO Arena in Sacramento, Calif. Saturday, July 7, 2007.
 
I was watching the preview for the next EliteXC card and see that they are only giving 3 matches for "free" on Showtime and the rest is on PPV... are they high???
 
Man, what a night in Vegas. Jackson rocked Liddell big time, which is probably why I couldnt pick a winner beforehand, I thought anything could happen, and it did, Jackson caught Chuck on the counter, which is one of Chuck's strengths. Anyways, I'm kind of feeling down right now because one of my biggest MMA influences, friend, and muay thai trainer, James Irvin blew out his knee in the first round of his fight. Not sure about his career, they said he wont have to have surgery, but who knows, it was pretty bad, I heard from a buddy of mine who was at the fight. Hey, thats part of fighting, and you gotta take the good with the bad and know that at any time it could come to an end.(even though its so rare in MMA, rarely do you see career ending injuries...especially a knee) But you could say that I feel pretty bad right now because of that.

edit: James wont be fighting for about 2 years. He's having reconstructive surgery on the knee this week.(contrary to what all the websites/columnists wrote after the fight). James has incredible inner strength, and knowing him, he will be close to 100% afterwards, too...thats just the kind of person he is, he wont settle for less.
 
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxin...la-headlines-sports-boxing&ctrack=4&cset=true

From the same L.A Times MMA article

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The saga leading into Saturday's MMA event at the Los Angeles Coliseum has had more twists and turns, and reversals, than probably every match on the actual show will have.

Before either group had even gotten a promoter's license in California, Fighting Entertainment Groups (FEG, the parent company for K-1 and Hero's) and Pro Elite Inc. (parent company of Elite XC, partially owned by Showtime) announced a joint show at, by far, the biggest venue ever to house a major MMA event, part of which would air on Showtime, with the main events on pay-per-view. It seemed crazy from the start, and just days away, it seems no more sane. No UFC event in Los Angeles has sold 14,000 tickets, and a brand with no national recognition and television was booking a 92,000-seat stadium, built around three men whose fame has nothing to do with modern MMA--Brock Lesnar was a pro wrestling star with an NCAA wrestling title in his background; Royce Gracie was an MMA pioneer when the skill level of the sport was beyond primitive as compared with today, and Johnnie Morton was a college and pro football star.

The matches seemingly changed on a daily basis. It wasn't until eight days before match-time that FEG received a temporary promoter's license that saved a show that was down to the wire of being canceled. But the three big stars remain intact, but even that wasn't a sure thing until Thursday when Bernard Ackah, a television comedian in Japan, was finally approved as Morton's opponent.

But there were even changes in the two top matches. Gracie's match with Kazushi Sakuraba was switched on Thursday from five rounds to three rounds. FEG asked for the change. The match was a rematch of the most famous MMA match ever held in Japan, a May 1, 2000, match at the Tokyo Dome that went 90 minutes before Gracie's family threw in the towel when Gracie's leg was destroyed after repeated low kicks. It was Gracie's first real loss under MMA rules (some list a loss in a match with Harold Howard, but that match actually never started and was a forfeiture due to an injury from a match earlier in the show). The win also made Sakuraba a national hero. Seven years later, Sakuraba has paid the price of constantly fighting the best fighters in the world, usually giving up substantial body weight. The game has clearly evolved past the point where Gracie's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu skill is enough to win. But it's a nostalgia trip for the Japanese fans, who will see the show on the TBS network as a prime time tape delayed special. But cutting back the time limit removes the very element the original match was famous for.

Lesnar went from facing Choi Hong-man, a 7-2 1/2, 355 pound South Korean who is a huge attraction in both Japan and South Korea, to facing a much smaller Kim Min-soo. Min-soo won a silver medal in judo at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta in the mid-heavyweight (209-pound) weight class. In many ways, this match can be compared with a match from a few years ago when huge U.S. wrestler Rulon Gardner faced a Japanese judo gold medalist, Hidehiko Yoshida, who was giving up about 80 pounds. Yoshida, who transitioned far better than Min-soo into MMA and has become a genuine star in that sport, simply couldn't use his judo on the bigger and stronger foe. Gardner, in his first match after just two months of training, got the better of the standing exchanges and won an easy decision. Lesnar won't have quite as much of a weight edge, but it should still be 45 to 50 pounds. Like Gardner, Lesnar is in his first match. He has had far more training than Gardner, and plans to make MMA his new career, while Gardner largely wanted to do it once and never again. Min-soo only has a 2-5 record and was unable to get Bob Sapp off his feet and was knocked out quickly in that battle. Lesnar, with his wrestling background, will surely have better balance than Sapp.

Because of his name from pro wrestling, Lesnar has the chance to be one of the great attractions in MMA and could have been the biggest PPV draw on the show--except the company made the elementary error of not advertising the event on any of the highly-rated pro wrestling shows of the last two weeks, the target audience that knows Lesnar. Lesnar walked away from that profession and a $1 million per year contract three years ago, on top, because of his hatred for traveling.

He only had a one-bout contract, so with a strong win, he'll likely benefit from an intense bidding war with almost every major organization. If people believe he can fight, he can give any UFC rival company an instant marquee star that will get them attention. In UFC, he would have the potential to walk in and draw huge pay-per-view numbers if his fighting ability is commensurate with his athletic ability. Lesnar is freaky strong, and in his pro wrestling days, at 295 pounds (he's expected to be about 265 for fighting), he used to race Shelton Benjamin, a JC national champion in the 100 meters, running up stairs in empty arenas before shows started, and would usually win. But without an impressive performance in a debut match, his stock will drop quickly.

Numerous other people listed on the show at one time or another besides Hong-man have dropped out or failed to get licensed. Josh Barnett was still under contract to Dream Stage Entertainment, the parent company of Pride. Even though that company is no longer in business, his contract was sold to UFC. Gina Carano, the stunning former kick boxer who Showtime had marketed its show around, got seriously ill while filming a TV show in Thailand and dropped out, canceling the planned women's match. Carano stole the show when Showtime debuted MMA on Feb. 10. Antonio Silva, the 300-pounder who was Showtime's other big attraction, failed to get licensed this week, as did Choi Mu Bae, a South Korean wrestler who was scheduled to face Mighty Mo.

In the end, there will be show. How successful the promotion will be at giving tickets away will be determined come fight time. It's more designed for the Japanese television audience than an American MMA fan, and many names on the show are well known in that country.

The show is to open at 5 p.m. with Hideo Tokoro, a popular 154-pound Japanese fighter, against England's Brad Pickett. Second will be Katsuhiko Nagata, who won a silver medal in Greco-Roman wrestling in 2000. Nagata is best known in Japan as the younger brother of pro wrestling star Yuji Nagata, and he'll face San Jose's Isiah Hill, a last minute sub for Gabe Ruediger, who didn't get cleared. Ruediger was subbing for Javier Vazqez, who was injured.

Showtime's live hour, starting at 6 p.m., has Jake Shields, a top-rated 170-pounder, facing Israel's Ido Pariente, who would be a huge underdog; J.Z. Calvan, one of the top 154-pounders in the world against Nam Phan, who is highly skilled but is really someone who should be fighting at a lower weight class; and heavyweights Jonathan Weizorek (about the fourth guy in this slot) vs. Tim Persey (a last minute sub for Antonio Silva).

Morton vs. Ackah opens the PPV, which beings at 7 p.m. Melvin Manhoef, a spectacular 185-pound stand-up fighter, faces Yoon Doon-Sik, another star of the 90s in judo from South Korea who is winless in four MMA matches.

Mighty Mo, perhaps the best power punching heavyweight, faces Ruben Villareal, another former pro wrestler who is now a professional last-minute sub. Villareal makes an entertaining opponent for big punchers, because he's willing to slug with them, isn't particularly good at it, but has a great chin and will hang in there. Gracie vs. Sakuraba and Lesnar vs. Min-soo round out the show.

Dave Meltzer is the creator and author of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, a leading publication covering pro wrestling and MMA. For more information: www.wrestlingobserver.com
 
Am I crazy or was there minimal press for UFC 73 this last week?

ARCO only had 14,000 last night! What the hell's going on around here?

Did the Maloofs drop the ball?!