MKG, Barnes, Beal, Robinson all done with working out.
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Not at all... there's a clear-cut top five players in this draft but there's no clear cut order within that group aside from Davis at #1. At #5 everyone knows we're taking whomevers left... so why would any of those guys workout for us? They have nothing to gain... the only way they gain is if they get themselves into the top four picks, hence the workouts for the teams above us.
Barnes workingout for the Raptors is obviously the anomally... must have been an understanding that they could trade into the top four to select him if they want.
Barnes workingout for the Raptors is obviously the anomally... must have been an understanding that they could trade into the top four to select him if they want.
Any one of those 4 can be dropping to 5th depending on the situation - and 1 of them for sure will.
The fact that NONE of these guys are willing to come workout for quite possibly their future employer is not at all common, and I think is a pretty big deal and a tell regarding the dire situation this franchise is in.
The fact that NONE of these guys are willing to come workout for quite possibly their future employer is not at all common, and I think is a pretty big deal and a tell regarding the dire situation this franchise is in.
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Like roasthawg said, there are 5 guys fighting for top 4 status. They know we are most likely taking the player that is left. They realize that if they workout for the 5th team, it makes it look like they (the player) is conceding that they might not be picked top 4. I think the fact that we are the franchise in flux right now might also play into it, but I don't think it is nearly as much about that as some think.
Me neither.
Then again, can you remember any franchise attempting to move to a crowded market, being rebuffed, reaching a handshake deal for an arena, blowing that deal up while blaming everyone else and dumping hate on the city before saying they really wanted to stay and renovate a crappy building while spending the bare minimum on salary and dropping hints that they plan to sue the league in an anti-trust suit?
I have loved the Sacramento Kings from the day there WERE Sacramento Kings but if I were an agent I'd do everything I could to keep my client away from this train wreck.
It's not about arenas, or market size or current team talent. It's about a completely dysfunctional ownership and management.
Then again, can you remember any franchise attempting to move to a crowded market, being rebuffed, reaching a handshake deal for an arena, blowing that deal up while blaming everyone else and dumping hate on the city before saying they really wanted to stay and renovate a crappy building while spending the bare minimum on salary and dropping hints that they plan to sue the league in an anti-trust suit?
I have loved the Sacramento Kings from the day there WERE Sacramento Kings but if I were an agent I'd do everything I could to keep my client away from this train wreck.
It's not about arenas, or market size or current team talent. It's about a completely dysfunctional ownership and management.
The thing is, these prospects aren't just singling out Sacramento because they don't want to go there. They haven't worked out for anyone below us either. So while it's certainly true that someone else could trade up, our lack of workouts doesn't indicate that is a likely scenario. It maybe would if we didn't try to schedule workouts with them, but we had workouts scheduled already with Barnes and Robinson and they pulled out.
And that was just over a decade ago. I'd also say there's a considerable difference between drafting a player you didn't workout in the late 1st round(25th) where there is more moderate talent to choose from, compared to picking 5th where the top talent is much more concentrated, and having only a single player come in who would be picked anywhere near 5 in Drummond. Then there's Petrie saying he'll draft a player he didn't workout, which doesn't mean that holds true every time, but it does at least reveal his intentions and what he prefers.
I mean, when we took Reke at 4 and Cuz at 5, we worked out just about every prospect in the top 5 aside from Blake/Wall, the clear #1's. All we can do is wait. Only a week away anyway.
I mean, when we took Reke at 4 and Cuz at 5, we worked out just about every prospect in the top 5 aside from Blake/Wall, the clear #1's. All we can do is wait. Only a week away anyway.
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There are two ways to take it.
1) We're that red flagged as an organization that Agents are having their clients avoid us. This would be troubling
2) There is some kind of trade already arranged. Potentially a move down or completely out of the draft. I guess we'll have to wait until draft day to figure out which.
I'd rather just take a chance on Drummond vs. moving back in the draft to grab anyone who is left outside of the top 5 that we have worked out so far. If we're going to trade the pick it better be for a true veteran that can help this team and not sink more $$ for poor play.
1) We're that red flagged as an organization that Agents are having their clients avoid us. This would be troubling
2) There is some kind of trade already arranged. Potentially a move down or completely out of the draft. I guess we'll have to wait until draft day to figure out which.
I'd rather just take a chance on Drummond vs. moving back in the draft to grab anyone who is left outside of the top 5 that we have worked out so far. If we're going to trade the pick it better be for a true veteran that can help this team and not sink more $$ for poor play.
I am pretty sure he worked out for the Warriors as well.
We have been well and truly reg-flagged, black-listed, call it whatever you like but it is NOT a good thing in any way. But we should not be surprised. Expect to get the same sort of treatment from the free agency this year unless we overpay a crap player to play for us.
I have said it before, we ARE the basket case of the league...worse than any other team out there, including the Bobcats. At least Bobcats have some sort of stability and certainty of where they are playing. Even though we have some great young talent on the roster, we are a basket case in every other aspect and if I were a prospect in this draft, I would run as far away from Sacramento as devil from the cross.
But Maloofs still reckon we had the best of the best in for workouts. This latest news pretty much explains Joe's tweets the other day....get on the front foot to try and control the obvious damage that we are copping here.
This is how its going to go down in a week
1. We pick best player available. He cops it for 4 years and leaves at the first opportunity (if things don't change)
2. We pick best player available, he cracks the ****s and pulls a Steve Francis forcing us to trade him on the cheap
3. We trade down in the draft, shed a contract in the process and pick a less talented player that we have worked out (Henson)
4. We trade the pick for a proven player
This is going to get worse before it gets better.
We have been well and truly reg-flagged, black-listed, call it whatever you like but it is NOT a good thing in any way. But we should not be surprised. Expect to get the same sort of treatment from the free agency this year unless we overpay a crap player to play for us.
I have said it before, we ARE the basket case of the league...worse than any other team out there, including the Bobcats. At least Bobcats have some sort of stability and certainty of where they are playing. Even though we have some great young talent on the roster, we are a basket case in every other aspect and if I were a prospect in this draft, I would run as far away from Sacramento as devil from the cross.
But Maloofs still reckon we had the best of the best in for workouts. This latest news pretty much explains Joe's tweets the other day....get on the front foot to try and control the obvious damage that we are copping here.
This is how its going to go down in a week
1. We pick best player available. He cops it for 4 years and leaves at the first opportunity (if things don't change)
2. We pick best player available, he cracks the ****s and pulls a Steve Francis forcing us to trade him on the cheap
3. We trade down in the draft, shed a contract in the process and pick a less talented player that we have worked out (Henson)
4. We trade the pick for a proven player
This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Yes, actually a few people have proposed just that. Boogie-havoc said in the OP "So.. what gives? Lillard? Drummond? Trading down?"
You are making a judgment on why these players aren't working out here when you don't know. It is very likely it is simply because they all think they should go in the top 4 and do not want to seem like they are consenting to being the worst in the group by working out below the top 4. They also know the Kings are likely to take whoever is left.
Edit: My god, some of you above me need to calm down a bit. Like I said, you have no idea why they aren't working out for us. Are these same players working out for the team right below us (Portland)? Nope. Should they be throwing a fit about how they are blacklisted and no one wants to come there because they aren't getting some players in for workouts?
You are making a judgment on why these players aren't working out here when you don't know. It is very likely it is simply because they all think they should go in the top 4 and do not want to seem like they are consenting to being the worst in the group by working out below the top 4. They also know the Kings are likely to take whoever is left.
Edit: My god, some of you above me need to calm down a bit. Like I said, you have no idea why they aren't working out for us. Are these same players working out for the team right below us (Portland)? Nope. Should they be throwing a fit about how they are blacklisted and no one wants to come there because they aren't getting some players in for workouts?
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