Missing what we had with Webber...

[mikebibby1034]

We Dont Need Webber....

okay first of all this has NOTHING to do with webber, were are wayyyy better off with out him. second of all i think we need brad miller back and thats a big part of why were struggling. were also losing and having a hard time is because we have new players and they arent playing together right now. i mean they still dont have a feel for each others game, so this had nothing to do abouT webber this is all about getting new players and not having time to adjust to each other.

I mean look at how much mike bibby improved since webber left. i have never seen him play like he's playing now. when we had webber we relied on him way to much and becuase of that webber was starting to become a ball hog. the team was starting to become a mobley webber team, a two man team. now since webber left bibby has been playing outstanding! Peja to me has yet to show up, but i know when it comes playoff time, peja will be the one in the spotlight becuase thats what he does.

I think we need to do something with mobley, i personally dont really like him at all. i think we need doug christie back. he doesnt pass the ball that much expecially when bibbys on the bench taking his rest, he has more off games then good games, idk i just dont see him being a good king.

Chris webber did so much for this team, but he's not here anymore, so we need to stop looking in the past and look at the team we have now becuase for now thats what the team looks like. i dont care really care about webber anymore, expect when the phily crowd disrepects him, i care about the injuries that the KINGS have, the heartbreaking loses the KINGS have, and how well the KINGS finish their seasons. were not getting webber back or were not getting christie back thats just the way it is so lets get back to what really matters, and thats OUR KINGS TEAM!!!

 

[Since93]

Webber's injury is probably a lot like Christie's in that they were both much more willing to tough it out here where they were happy. If you aren't getting playing time or appreciation from the fans, it's much easier to succumb to the nagging injuries than to gut it out.

Word.

IF they are still Kings I would bet they will be winning games for us...

 

[Bricklayer]

Chris Webber would be irrelevant under these circumstances.

No, actually if HE were healthy (always an if) he could make a real difference. Star players have a spill over effect, and he was the guy we ran the offense through. Its been broken since he left. He might well have made everybody else better and sustained us through this in a way that mid-level hustlers really can't when you're shorthanded. Still no title with this many injuries. But the expectation of victory and theorietical superiority would still be here.

 

[bigbadred00]

okay first of all this has NOTHING to do with webber, were are wayyyy better off with out him. second of all the reason why were losing and having a hard time is because we have new players and they arent playing together right now. i mean they still dont have a feel for each others game, so this had nothing to do abouT webber this is all about getting new players and not having time to adjust to each other.

how do you figure? way better off? at best were a little worse off for this year. we haven't been winning, we are barely a 500 team over this stretch. yes we've been injured, but a way better team, did you take some of the stuff that voison is taking.

 

[Twix]

I think it's the lost of Brad (and new players fitting in)...not Webber.

 

[bigbadred00]

Brad's definitely missed but if we have Brad are we a contender? I don't know about that. The team we had earlier this year WITH Bobby J and Webber I think we had a definite good shot at a division title, without them and all the injuries, it's pretty far fetched. We were 16-4 after the 1-3 start before Bobby went down, we were a good team. Yes not good defensively, but a good team, when he went down that's when the rails started coming apart and little by little with each passing injury the rails have come farther and farther apart.

 

[mikebibby1034]

how do you figure? way better off? at best were a little worse off for this year. we haven't been winning, we are barely a 500 team over this stretch. yes we've been injured, but a way better team, did you take some of the stuff that voison is taking.

trust me in the long run getting rid of chris webber is the best thing that we have ever done. i know it might not seem the way to a lot of people right now, but we know that their not gonna be that great in the playoffs this year. i mean look at what we got for chris webber, we got players that actually fight for the rebound. i've never seen us rebound the ball so much. i mean this is my opinon i'm not telling everyone what to think, this is just how I feel about it.

 

[mikebibby1034]

I think it's the lost of Brad (and new players fitting in)...not Webber.

thats very true

 

[bigbadred00]

i still think were losing the rebounding battle not because the new guys don't rebound well it's because the guys at the 2/3 slot who we've had all year don't rebound that well. the quickest fix is move peja, but I'd hate to do that.

are you kidding, the best thing we ever did is trade for Webber 6 years ago. Trust me on that one. Yes the Webber trade might turn out to not be a bad deal but I wouldn't go as so far as saying it's the best thing we've ever done. The best thing the Kings have done is get to the 7th game in 2002 against the Lakers and get into OT. Please if you honestly believe the best thing we've ever done is to get "rid" of Webber, you have to be kidding me.

 

[mikebibby1034]

i still think were losing the rebounding battle not because the new guys don't rebound well it's because the guys at the 2/3 slot who we've had all year don't rebound that well. the quickest fix is move peja, but I'd hate to do that.

are you kidding, the best thing we ever did is trade for Webber 6 years ago. Trust me on that one. Yes the Webber trade might turn out to not be a bad deal but I wouldn't go as so far as saying it's the best thing we've ever done. The best thing the Kings have done is get to the 7th game in 2002 against the Lakers and get into OT. Please if you honestly believe the best thing we've ever done is to get "rid" of Webber, you have to be kidding me.

saying the best thing were've ever done is getting chris webber is just a figure of speech. all im saying that i think is was a great trade weather everyone believes it or not. like i said it MY opinion, im not speaking for everyone else just meyself.

 

[bigbadred00]

that's not a figure of a speech. i have never used it. i'm not saying it wasn't a bad trade or a good one. in both situations considering the injuries we weren't going to win it all, but if your going to use that expression, your going to take heat. i don't say things such as bibby's defense is his best "asset" because they aren't true. don't say things that you don't mean, if you don't mean them.

 

[Bricklayer]

trust me in the long run getting ride of chris webber is the best thing that we have ever done. i know it might not seem the way to a lot of people right now, but we know that their not gonna be that great in the playoffs this year. i mean look at what we got for chris webber, we got players that actually fight for the rebound. i've never seen us rebound the ball so much. i mean this is my opinon i'm not telling everyone what to think, this is just how I feel about it.

a) Mike started playing this way a month before Webebr left.

b) we are still getting killed on the glass every night -- new guys are doing their job, but so were Webb/Brad. Problems lie elsewhere.

c) Please don't even go to the "I'm glad we got rid of Webber so Mike could shine route". We've been through years of that stupidity on other fronts, and I'm reasonably sure if you asked Mike he'd like to have that trade rescinded right about now. He's having to work too hard without hope of real success at the moment. best thing that could happen to him would be if we somehow managed to acquire another superstar big man for him to work with.

D) if there is even a MILD benefit to trading Webber, it will be in our ability to maneuver in future years. To claim we are far better off in the present belies everything we have seen from this team thus far.

 

[Mad D]

I mean look at how much mike bibby improved since webber left. i have never seen him play like he's playing now. when we had webber we relied on him way to much and becuase of that webber was starting to become a ball hog. the team was starting to become a mobley webber team, a two man team. now since webber left bibby has been playing outstanding! Peja to me has yet to show up, but i know when it comes playoff time, peja will be the one in the spotlight becuase thats what he does.

that post makes it sound like Bibby has improved since Webb left, not the team.

 

[mikebibby1034]

What if they don't come back?

Saying this team is 10 times better without Webber is simply unsubstantiated by facts. It may end up being the right decision at the right time, but it did NOT make our team better right now.

i dont think they made the decision for "right now", i think they made the decsion looking in the long run, which everyone does. not only in this bussines but in life in gerneral.

 

[bigbadred00]

To be honest, the best things in the the last 8 years of Kings basketball are the following:

1) Kings get to WCF game 7

2) Kings get Webber and go from out of the Playoffs to in

3) Kings draft Peja

4) Kings trade for Michael Bibby

5) Kings trade for Brad

6) Kings sign Vlade as a FA

7) Kings trade for Doug Christie

8) Kings sign Bobby J as a FA

9) Kings win 3 years straight 55 games

10) Kings win playoff series 3 straight years

 

[bigbadred00]

1034-You didn't say in the future. You said for all time. If it was a great trade we'd be title contenders and have the best record in the league, which we don't. Look at Boston. I hate Walker, but he's injected something into the Celtics. I'm not saying the same was expected with our trade, but don't say things such as "its the best thing ever." when you obviously don't mean it.

 

[bigbadred00]

point being is I could careless if Peja, Bibby, Brad is playing better now that X player is gone. all that matters is we win. we aren't winning right now. i don't know how long it will take to we start winning at the pace we used to win at, but it could be a long time.

 

[Since93]

I mean look at how much mike bibby improved since webber left. i have never seen him play like he's playing now. when we had webber we relied on him way to much and becuase of that webber was starting to become a ball hog. the team was starting to become a mobley webber team, a two man team. now since webber left bibby has been playing outstanding! Peja to me has yet to show up, but i know when it comes playoff time, peja will be the one in the spotlight becuase thats what he does.

Mike didn't 'improve' after the trade. He is always that clutch.

What I see now actually is Mike is trying to put the team on his shoulder. Because if he doesn't step up, he knows we know we will lose every single game. With Webber, we can have another 20-10-5 go-to guy to play with. But I know Webber is gone.

But don't say Bibby is better off Webber that kind of BS again!!!!

 

[acisking]

a) Mike started playing this way a month before Webebr left.

b) we are still getting killed on the glass every night -- new guys are doing their job, but so were Webb/Brad. Problems lie elsewhere.

c) Please don't even go to the "I'm glad we got rid of Webber so Mike could shine route". We've been through years of that stupidity on other fronts, and I'm reasonably sure if you asked Mike he'd like to have that trade rescinded right about now. He's having to work too hard without hope of real success at the moment. best thing that could happen to him would be if we somehow managed to acquire another superstar big man for him to work with.

D) if there is even a MILD benefit to trading Webber, it will be in our ability to maneuver in future years. To claim we are far better off in the present belies everything we have seen from this team thus far.

very true...and i would like to add one
E) The Kings are still as bad of a defensive team overall...sure Skinner brings a serious shotblocking presence - but in the end opponents are still scoring almost at will...so everyone who blamed Webb for all the difficulties in defense can see from the results that his lack of mobility was only a part of a bigger defensive problem which is the inability of the Kings to defend as a unit

 

[mikebibby1034]

point being is I could careless if Peja, Bibby, Brad is playing better now that X player is gone. all that matters is we win. we aren't winning right now. i don't know how long it will take to we start winning at the pace we used to win at, but it could be a long time.

winning isnt everything

 

[mikebibby1034]

Mike didn't 'improve' after the trade. He is always that clutch.

What I see now actually is Mike is trying to put the team on his shoulder. Because if he doesn't step up, he knows we know we will lose every single game. With Webber, we can have another 20-10-5 go-to guy to play with. But I know Webber is gone.

But don't say Bibby is better off Webber that kind of BS again!!!!

okay first of all, "but dont say bibby is better off webber that kind of bs again", that doesnt make any sence, lol, or at least i dont get it. and you said it yourself, "mike is trying to put the team on his shoulders", how is that not improving his game?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Actualy given Webbers recnet benching due to reinjury it may well be that Petrie AGAIN smelled the milk in the fridge. Look at the players he let go this season and where they are: Vlade, Christie and Webber, all sitting. We may not like what the team got in return for DC and C Web but at the moment we DO have palyers on the floor and contracts that make for a better off season.

 

[BigWaxer]

wow we have some upset Kings fans.

No matter what Cwebb and DC are gone and we have to support what we have. If we win it all then it was the greatest trade ever. If we don't make the playoffs it was the worst ever.

As has been discussed before trades were made prolly for reasons none of us know. The players on the court for our team still wear the purple jerseys. Thats all I need.

 

[mikebibby1034]

Actualy given Webbers recnet benching due to reinjury it may well be that Petrie AGAIN smelled the milk in the fridge. Look at the players he let go this season and where they are: Vlade, Christie and Webber, all sitting. We may not like what the team got in return for DC and C Web but at the moment we DO have palyers on the floor and contracts that make for a better off season.

i agree with you

 

[Since93]

okay first of all, "but dont say bibby is better off webber that kind of bs again", that doesnt make any sence, lol, or at least i dont get it. and you said it yourself, "mike is trying to put the team on his shoulders", how is that not improving his game?

Dude Mike is almost doing a one man show this days because HE HAS TO. I have said before he is clutch, as always, even with Webber on our team. It has NOTHING to do with Webber out. What I said makes every sense. What doesn't make sense is your Webber bashing comments.

 

[mikebibby1034]

wow we have some upset Kings fans.

No matter what Cwebb and DC are gone and we have to support what we have. If we win it all then it was the greatest trade ever. If we don't make the playoffs it was the worst ever.

As has been discussed before trades were made prolly for reasons none of us know. The players on the court for our team still wear the purple jerseys. Thats all I need.

okay first of all we will definently make the playoffs. i think the whole kings team would rather die then not make the playoffs, lol. "The players on the court for our team still wear the purple jerseys. Thats all I need". thats what i have been trying to say. lets not worry about past events lets worry about now and cheer on this team no matter what their going threw!

 

[Chris Cobb]

Originally posted by Catalyst
It's amazing how much one player can mean to a team. If we were losing the same games we lost recently WITH Webber these would be the most devastating losses we've had since we became a winning team, yet now, expectations are set so much lower.

The fact is that if we did not make that webber trade we would be playing every game right now with almost no big men. webb and darius would be our only respectable big guys with tag and eric daniels doing the subs.

We just suffered a loss to a hot team without it's star true, but look at our roster. From our overall roster we were missing two starters, two sixth man of the years, and our makeshift starting center (skinner) for the second half. I dont care who we play when we are missing that much of our roster, its gonna be hard to win.

 

[VF21]

...sigh...

First of all, there is NO guarantee we're making the playoffs.

Second, this seems to be going aimlessly around in circles.

Third, mikebibby1034 - You need to QUIT making this about you and your comments. It's about the team, not one fan.

 

[BigWaxer]

okay first of all we will definently make the playoffs. i think the whole kings team would rather die then not make the playoffs, lol. "The players on the court for our team still wear the purple jerseys. Thats all I need". thats what i have been trying to say. lets not worry about past events lets worry about now and cheer on this team no matter what their going threw!

I think thats what I said in my post so I agree 100% with you. I never said we wouldn't make the playoffs and was making a general statement about how people would percieve the trades this season.

I should of cleared that up a bit but people lately all my posts are getting misunderstood.

 

[VF21]

The fact is that if we did not make that webber trade we would be playing every game right now with almost no big men. webb and darius would be our only respectable big guys with tag and eric daniels doing the subs.

We just suffered a loss to a hot team without it's star true, but look at our roster. From our overall roster we were missing two starters, two sixth man of the years, and our makeshift starting center (skinner) for the second half. I dont care who we play when we are missing that much of our roster, its gonna be hard to win.

The point is we will never know what would have happened if we hadn't made the trade because we did make the trade. We don't know if Brad would have been injured.

The real point, however, is your last comment - and one I totally agree with:

I dont care who we play when we are missing that much of our roster, its gonna be hard to win.

That's pretty much where it's at, not only last night but tomorrow, and the game after, and the game after that.