Mike Bibby

NME said:
What's with that block? Who does Bibby think he is, Mobley?
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seriously. i jumped out of my chair hands in the air nad jaw on the floor and thought to myself : that white boy can jump!!
 
HndsmCelt said:
Any one who complains about Bibby padding his stats just did not watch the same game I did. He played 2 1/2 quarters of great selfless ball on a night he was hot. He passed beceause guys were open, he worked for rebounds, and he shot well. Sure late in the third when the Kings were up by 20 points he started directing players to help round out his numbers and caped it off with a give a rebound in the fourth, but what was he supposed to do to challnage himself? It's not like the game held any more challange. If he were padding stats at the teams expense or manufacturing rebounds off his own intentional misses that would be one thing, but leading hs team to a blow out of the number one team in the east, while orchestrating final numbers for a triple double, I'll never complain about THAT!
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I haven't seen the game, just read the recap. Reading the recap and looking at the box-score I think I can be sure Bibby had a superb game. What kind of "bothered" me was the part where at the very end, as the game went to obvious blowout much earlier, he went looking for his stats. I just don't see the relevance of a triple-double made in that manner, because it was partialy GIVEN to him (players setting him up for a final rb), and can't put it in a same context with Lebron's triple-double the other night. I mean, it is the concept that looks strange to me. Why not GIVE a triple-double to Webber since he was also real close ? Can we in every blowout game look for a different player to give him a chance to get a triple-double if he's missing a pair of assists ? OK, we sure can, but what is the relevance of those compared to those really earned ? I know I'm walking on thin line here, but I'm sure you see what I'm talking about....
 
punisher said:
OK, but doesn't it (personal record, triple-double, whatever) somehow lose on its "meaning" now ? I'm asking this 'cause in my opinion it does.
Or they ought count 'em separatly ;) , triple-doubles in blowouts and those in close contests ;)
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well, it would be disappointing if you think of it as him trying to create something for himself.
lighten up, i say this with a pat on the back.
first of all, i think it's just human to try to achieve a record when you are close to it. i think it's human that his teammates would want to help him in acheving a record. heck, if i was on the court i'd be very willing in helping biby get that triple double. it doesn't happen everyday. almost every player in the league in that situation would do it.
second, bibby is not a selfish player. he's a play-creator. it was a blowout last night so it was okay for the players to be more "selfish" ( for that lack of a better word). i dont' expect them to do it everyday.
last and finally, there's a rule of some sort against making plays just so a player can acheive a record. if bibby manipulated the game to get his triple double he'd be in trouble.
all that to say lighten up, it's not a conspiracy. i'd just enjoy it and cheer for the player.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Any one who complains about Bibby padding his stats just did not watch the same game I did. He played 2 1/2 quarters of great selfless ball on a night he was hot. He passed beceause guys were open, he worked for rebounds, and he shot well. Sure late in the third when the Kings were up by 20 points he started directing players to help round out his numbers and caped it off with a give a rebound in the fourth, but what was he supposed to do to challnage himself? It's not like the game held any more challange. If he were padding stats at the teams expense or manufacturing rebounds off his own intentional misses that would be one thing, but leading hs team to a blow out of the number one team in the east, while orchestrating final numbers for a triple double, I'll never complain about THAT!
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Still not the same as when You get it in the flow of the game. It just looked fabricated
 
great game by Mike

Be like Mike!

and he got 4 stitches...im thinking that we should be called the Warriors not Golden State
 
I'm greatly relieved that Mike was able to come back at all after getting cut early in the game. The lack of a vet PG is our biggest weakness right now and with the way our luck has gone the last few years losing Bibby wouldn't surprise me and it would devastate the team. Consequently I spend the day with fingers, arms, legs and eyes crossed for luck.
 
Rowdyone said:
The lack of a vet PG is our biggest weakness right now
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I strongly disagree on two accounts.
1) Our biggest weakness is the second chance points that come from giving up all those offensive rebounds.

2) As far as the point gaurd goes, our offense doesnt need the traditional point guard as much as other teams.
 
Doug's leaving has had a very positive effect on Bibby. His passing and assist numbers have picked up steadily since he now is the primary ball handler.
 
Heuge said:
I strongly disagree on two accounts.
1) Our biggest weakness is the second chance points that come from giving up all those offensive rebounds.

2) As far as the point gaurd goes, our offense doesnt need the traditional point guard as much as other teams.
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Well rebounding/shotblokcing remains ouor biggest weakness day to day, but I think he was trying to say that the vulnerability on our roster is at PG, which I think is correct. If Mike were to get hurt or get in foul trouble or whatever, there really is no adequate major minutes replacement. But that's what happens when you lose a BJax --we've alreayd had our major PG injury thx.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well rebounding/shotblokcing remains ouor biggest weakness day to day, but I think he was trying to say that the vulnerability on our roster is at PG, which I think is correct. If Mike were to get hurt or get in foul trouble or whatever, there really is no adequate major minutes replacement. But that's what happens when you lose a BJax --we've alreayd had our major PG injury thx.
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Yeah, your right.
I guess, if you lose both your starting and backup pg you are doomed, cursed, etc.
 
LMM said:
you could see mike going for the rebounds towards the end of the game.. it was so obvious.. and it was obvious, too, that his teammates wanted him to get it.. :) when they focused on the bench, after webb hugged mike, webb started immitating mike when he got his last rebound..
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yeah that was hilarious... man, i love this team!!!
 
piksi said:
Still not the same as when You get it in the flow of the game. It just looked fabricated
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You can find a negative in just about anything if you look hard enough. Lighten up, you might live longer.
 
LMM said:
when they focused on the bench, after webb hugged mike, webb started immitating mike when he got his last rebound..
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I thought Brad also immitated too? Well, it doesn't matter. :) It was just so funny to see them immitating Bibby's rebound!
 
all of them smiling having a blast on the bench...man that was just enough to melt any kings fan's heart

a picture perfect moment

i was hoping to find a picture of them on the bench...no luck
 
punisher said:
I haven't seen the game, just read the recap. Reading the recap and looking at the box-score I think I can be sure Bibby had a superb game. What kind of "bothered" me was the part where at the very end, as the game went to obvious blowout much earlier, he went looking for his stats. I just don't see the relevance of a triple-double made in that manner, because it was partialy GIVEN to him (players setting him up for a final rb), and can't put it in a same context with Lebron's triple-double the other night. I mean, it is the concept that looks strange to me. Why not GIVE a triple-double to Webber since he was also real close ? Can we in every blowout game look for a different player to give him a chance to get a triple-double if he's missing a pair of assists ? OK, we sure can, but what is the relevance of those compared to those really earned ? I know I'm walking on thin line here, but I'm sure you see what I'm talking about....
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I think you should've watched the game to appreciate it.. mike did a lot of things right in the first half.. he already had 6/6/6.. IMO, the only forced stats he got were the last few rebounds.. meaning those were the ones where he kind of forced a little becuase you know it's rare for a 6'1 PG to get 10 rebs.. the assists were good.. it's not like he told brad to shoot it eventhough there's a hand on his face.. his assists came from plays he created for the guys he passed to..

IMO, he worked for the rebounds.. it's not like his teammates just tipped the ball to him in the remaining minutes so that he can have the rebound.. his teammates were there.. they just didn't want to take away the rebound from mike (like when 2 people are going for the ball, the guy just gives the rebound to the other) you can see mike just going in there trying to grab a board play after play.. well, IMHO, he earned this triple double.. and i'm very happy for him..
 
LMM said:
I think you should've watched the game to appreciate it.. mike did a lot of things right in the first half.. he already had 6/6/6.. IMO, the only forced stats he got were the last few rebounds.. meaning those were the ones where he kind of forced a little becuase you know it's rare for a 6'1 PG to get 10 rebs.. the assists were good.. it's not like he told brad to shoot it eventhough there's a hand on his face.. his assists came from plays he created for the guys he passed to..

IMO, he worked for the rebounds.. it's not like his teammates just tipped the ball to him in the remaining minutes so that he can have the rebound.. his teammates were there.. they just didn't want to take away the rebound from mike (like when 2 people are going for the ball, the guy just gives the rebound to the other) you can see mike just going in there trying to grab a board play after play.. well, IMHO, he earned this triple double.. and i'm very happy for him..
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though it may well be a dead issue...i'm not taking anything from Mike, and i don't have to watch the game to realize he had a superb, well-rounded game. But that's not the point here is it ? The point is because TD is a rare achievement for a pg, some find there's nothing to it when a team decides to help one of its players to notch a TD. And that in my opinion at least deminishes the value of such an achievement because although the guy's pts and as were totally legit, and though he worked for his what 8-9 rb, the final rb or 2 that clinched the TD came as a result of a team deliberatly setting him up fot that final rbs...and though the entire matter is i'm sure entirely harmless, i ask why not be satisfied with your fantastic effort, even though you were 1rb shy of TD. Look at Kidd's game last night, he was 1pt-1as shy of TD, you don't see his teammates helping him "round it out"...
 
punisher said:
though it may well be a dead issue...i'm not taking anything from Mike, and i don't have to watch the game to realize he had a superb, well-rounded game. But that's not the point here is it ? The point is because TD is a rare achievement for a pg, some find there's nothing to it when a team decides to help one of its players to notch a TD. And that in my opinion at least deminishes the value of such an achievement because although the guy's pts and as were totally legit, and though he worked for his what 8-9 rb, the final rb or 2 that clinched the TD came as a result of a team deliberatly setting him up fot that final rbs...and though the entire matter is i'm sure entirely harmless, i ask why not be satisfied with your fantastic effort, even though you were 1rb shy of TD. Look at Kidd's game last night, he was 1pt-1as shy of TD, you don't see his teammates helping him "round it out"...
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If you watched the game you would NOT question whether it was a "legit" triple double. To those who saw this it is unquestionable. You have what 10 people saying so?! LMM told you exactly what happened with his boards. .... The Kings did something there thery should be doing all the time.. Blocking out thier opponents. Why should that diminish his triple double?!
 
I just had to share my dream with you guys. It was about bibby being traded for 3 bench players. I know that doesn't make any sense, but it was a dream. They showed the Kings players and Peja and Webb were practically in tears about the trade. I was in tears too. On second thought I think this was a nightmare. the Kings can make it up to me by beating the spurs on sunday.
 
punisher said:
Look at Kidd's game last night, he was 1pt-1as shy of TD, you don't see his teammates helping him "round it out"...
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That's too bad.

I was thrilled to see Mike get his triple double. It was a great personal accomplishment that he earned.

However, what I really loved was seeing the entire team rally around one member and join him in celebration of his burly stat line. It made me feel really, really good about where our TEAM is.

I can't see how anyone who actually watched the game would have seen this as a player looking to selfishly pad his stats.
 
It all makes sense now. During the later part of the Cav game, all the Kings were just throwing it up without taking any time off the clock. It seemed almost surreal at the time. When I saw Ostertag throw up a long jumper while standing unguarded near mid-court, it almost made sense because there was no time left on the clock. Of course, it clanged off. In retrospect, there may have been more behind that attempt than met the eye.
 
GoGoGadget said:
That's too bad.

I was thrilled to see Mike get his triple double. It was a great personal accomplishment that he earned.

However, what I really loved was seeing the entire team rally around one member and join him in celebration of his burly stat line. It made me feel really, really good about where our TEAM is.

I can't see how anyone who actually watched the game would have seen this as a player looking to selfishly pad his stats.
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Exactly. I guess you can try to view it in a negative light, but to see the TEAM pulling together to to HELP him get it was special. Mike earned it, and the TEAM rewarded him. As it should be, IMO.
 
punisher said:
though it may well be a dead issue...i'm not taking anything from Mike, and i don't have to watch the game to realize he had a superb, well-rounded game. But that's not the point here is it ? The point is because TD is a rare achievement for a pg, some find there's nothing to it when a team decides to help one of its players to notch a TD. And that in my opinion at least deminishes the value of such an achievement because although the guy's pts and as were totally legit, and though he worked for his what 8-9 rb, the final rb or 2 that clinched the TD came as a result of a team deliberatly setting him up fot that final rbs...and though the entire matter is i'm sure entirely harmless, i ask why not be satisfied with your fantastic effort, even though you were 1rb shy of TD. Look at Kidd's game last night, he was 1pt-1as shy of TD, you don't see his teammates helping him "round it out"...
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Oh geez.

Yes, you are trying to take something away from Mike, your denials to the contrary.

He got a triple-double. Do you think every single triple-double has been done without some kind of assistance from his team-mates or even the coach, who lets the player stay in long enough to make that last board or last point?

Instead of asking Mike "why not be satisfied" with his fantastic effort, I ask you - Why can't you just celebrate the moment instead of trying to tarnish it?

You state you didn't watch the Kings game. I have to suspect you also didn't watch the Nets game.

If you think the value of a triple-double has been diminished because Bibby was exhorting his teammates then you should probably go back and reexamine every single triple-double to have been recorded in the NBA.

This just cracks me up. I'm proud of Mike and I'm proud of the TEAM.
 
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If it's not too much to ask, please don't twist any of the things i say. If i said i don't wanna take anything out of Mike's game, i meant exactly that. Questioning why is a triple-double such an important thing to have a team GIVE it to some of the players, doesn't take anything from Mike, that is unless you're that protective of your team/players not to realize it and discuss it in a reasonable fashion.
 
punisher said:
If it's not too much to ask, please don't twist any of the things i say. If i said i don't wanna take anything out of Mike's game, i meant exactly that. Questioning why is a triple-double such an important thing to have a team GIVE it to some of the players, doesn't take anything from Mike, that is unless you're that protective of your team/players not to realize it and discuss it in a reasonable fashion.
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Look if the team had sacraficed some of the lead to get Mike the TD it might merit discussion, but the fact the Kings just continued to pile on and blow them off the court shows that it came in the flow of the game.
 
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