Miami interested in Dalembert:

bajaden said:
Personally, unless Dalembert puts a possible championship ahead of his wallet, I don't think Miami has a chance in hell of getting Dalembert. But stranger things have happened. It would put Dalembert closer to his homeland of Haiti, and he does own a home in florida. Here's an article from the Miami Herald.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/14/v-fullstory/2265200/miami-heat-seeks-center-eyes-samuel.html
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It's a match made in heaven, or hell for the other 29 teams. Unless the CBA changes in a way that favors the Heat(highly unlikely), the only way this gets done is with a sign and trade and while the Kings would happily take Lebron; I doubt they're excited about the ravaged carcasses of M. Bibby/Miller.

The amount of vitriol aimed at Miami should also give free agents pause.
 
What kind of contract do you guys expect Dalembert will get? Something like 5y/$60 mill seem reasonable?
 
This is one of those scenarios where columnists just invent scenarios for the sake of discussion without really analyzing how a deal would get done. With three max players, the chance that they convince Dalembert to play for the veteran's minimum or MLE in its current form is zilch when Dalembert is probably going to get 10 million per year to play somewhere.

And what salary could or would the Kings be willing to take back if it were a sign and trade? What other player could they present to the Kings to motivate us to do that?

Draft picks? Why would we take on salary of old, crappy players and draft picks that will likely be in the 25-30 range for the next 5 years?

Sure they have interest, I'm also interested in having a toilet bowl made of gold or platinum.
 
5/60 sounds about right. Don't think he'll be worth the last few years, but that's business in the NBA. Kings fortunately could structure a contract to pay more early in the contract because of their cap space. A big bonus for the player and the teams long term cap health.

I could easily see Dalembert leaving for NYK or another contender. He just saw what a difference Chandler made for the Mavs, and so did his agent. :) Not all contenders have any cap, so a S&T would have to happen. Would anybody do Dally for Fields/Turiaf if Dally wanted to 100% leave? I know it isn't ideal, but it would feel some needs for the next season.
 
Hallama said:
5/60 sounds about right. Don't think he'll be worth the last few years, but that's business in the NBA. Kings fortunately could structure a contract to pay more early in the contract because of their cap space. A big bonus for the player and the teams long term cap health.

I could easily see Dalembert leaving for NYK or another contender. He just saw what a difference Chandler made for the Mavs, and so did his agent. :) Not all contenders have any cap, so a S&T would have to happen. Would anybody do Dally for Fields/Turiaf if Dally wanted to 100% leave? I know it isn't ideal, but it would feel some needs for the next season.
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Fields and Turiaf for Dally? Are u kidding? Some kind of joke?

Not in a billion years...Fields has proved nothing except for being a good role player and Turiaf? Dont even know what to say about that scrub...
 
Obviously, this is a scenario in which Dalembert is already going to sign with the Knicks. Not a traditional trade, and the Kings are just trying to get something back as a stop gap at center + a young SF with potential in Fields.
 
KingsInBrazil said:
I'd say 12mil/year sounds a lot... 50M or 55M /5y sounds fair enough... ;S
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5/40 Perkins
5/42 Haywood (guaranteed)

Those are going to be the recent comps. I'm sure we'll go a little higher if there was stiff competition but after the draft, players are retained on their own teams, and with a possible cap reduction with the new CBA there are not going to be too many teams to compete with.

The monkey wrench would be Dalembert being willing to take the MLE to play on a contender. If he wants to leave 10M on the table to pick his city there is not much we can do.
 
10 Mil a year would be a tough pill to swallow, but I think thats about the max I would do.

I would expect Tyson Chandler to sign first, and a part of me thinks he would take some sort of hometown discount to stay with Dallas, which could help us when signing Dally ... They should, and probly will get a similar deal, so the lower Chandler signs for the lower Dalembert will sign for.

The closest recent deal for a defensive center is the Perkins contract, Which goes roughly like this: 6 mil-7mil-7+mil-8mil-9mil ... and he is younger then both Chandler and Dalembert. If we could sign Dally to something like that, but have it more front loaded ( so 9 mil-8mil-7mil-6mil ) would be nice.

I will say this though, I'm much more worried about the "win" factor then the dollars. We can afford him, and it will probly be at a fair price .. but if he wants to go to Miami he will go to Miami. Mike Bibby walked away from 6 million to chase a ring. Of course, he is older and much more washed up then Dalembert, but winning is winning.
 
the kings need to keep him as it keeps every front court player in a comfortable role a we need to keep thorton bcuz it let the back court be in a great role also
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I would expect Tyson Chandler to sign first, and a part of me thinks he would take some sort of hometown discount to stay with Dallas, which could help us when signing Dally ... They should, and probly will get a similar deal, so the lower Chandler signs for the lower Dalembert will sign for.
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Ha, you've actually blown my original idea to shreds - if the Kings made Cuban beat an offer for Chandler, then Dally would have a higher comp to start from, lol. My original post wasn't serious, but a very good point when it comes to signing Dally. Perkins is a good comp, and a good signing by OKC once again.
 
Dally would have to settle for the MLE. They better sign him quick as the MLE might disappear with the new CBA. Ooops .... they have to wait until after the new CBA is in place, right? I don't think this particular exception would be a huge stickler in negotiations. If the NBA wants more parity, the MLE IS an easy way to disrupt teams that are already having trouble competing .... like us. You simply have to believe that the new CBA will bring down salaries and also limit the chances of a big market team from raiding small market teams.

Can't back it up, of course. Wishful thinking perhaps.

On a side note, for those who are concerned that Dally might make too much and we should be frugal, consider what happens to the team if we lose him.
 
Glenn said:
This is hilarious. Considering the buddies, James, Bosh, and Wade, ganged up to create a dynasty in Miami, it would be a major kick in the head to Bosh. :)
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The sad thing is that the trade is what Miami should do. They would be unstoppable. Of course hopefully we wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.
 
Chalmers

Sure they can have Dally if they structure something around a Mario Chalmers deal.

Beno/Chalmers/Pooh
Reke/Thorton
Leonard or Vesley/Omri/Donte
Marc Gasol/Thompson
Cousins/Whiteside

Would solve PG debate, could draft vesley or second best sf in draft, would still have plenty of money to target (the better Gasol) Marc.

Compared to:
Beno/Fredette/Pooh
Reke/Thorton
Omri/Donte
Dalembert/Thompson
Cousins/Whiteside

I don't know if any good SF's are available through free agency. According to Sam Amick the kings are not set at the SF with Donte/Omri.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ck.draft.3/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1

I know Iggy is available, but him and others (especially) Gay and Granger are too pricey.
 
I knew it was only a matter of time.

Seriously, if we want to continue our upward trend, we may need to overpay for Dalembert. Not ridiculously so, but certainly enough to where it obviously isn't about the money should he decide to leave.
 
It seems very likely that all contracts under the new CBA will be 4 year max (sounds like home team not even get the extra year)

I think the lockout will cost us next season, and thus, Dalembert will be evern less likely to give up his last pay day. Also, a new crop of bidders will pop up.

Just a guess, in the 2012 offseason W's get just over the Kings 4 x 10 for 40 contract and he moves down I-80. Celts might be in play as well.
 
Please no team should be helping out the Miami Heats. they already have the big three. Hope there is a hard cap next year, or at least eliminate all these cap exceptions.
 
bajaden said:
Personally, unless Dalembert puts a possible championship ahead of his wallet, I don't think Miami has a chance in hell of getting Dalembert. But stranger things have happened. It would put Dalembert closer to his homeland of Haiti, and he does own a home in florida. Here's an article from the Miami Herald.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/14/v-fullstory/2265200/miami-heat-seeks-center-eyes-samuel.html
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Gee, shocker. Given that some of us have been tagging this possiblity for months. Its just a natural. They had two huge holes -- other the one where LeBron's heart should be -- Daly would near;y perfectly plug one of them.
 
cfechter said:
Draft picks? Why would we take on salary of old, crappy players and draft picks that will likely be in the 25-30 range for the next 5 years?
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I'm pretty sure they traded every single one of their draft picks over the next ten trillion years to Toronto and Cleveland so they could get those extra years for Lebron and Bosh through a sign and "trade".

Unless Sammy values getting a ring over an extra 7-8 million dollars a year, I doubt that he signs with Miami.
 
Glenn said:
Dally would have to settle for the MLE. They better sign him quick as the MLE might disappear with the new CBA. Ooops .... they have to wait until after the new CBA is in place, right? I don't think this particular exception would be a huge stickler in negotiations. If the NBA wants more parity, the MLE IS an easy way to disrupt teams that are already having trouble competing .... like us. You simply have to believe that the new CBA will bring down salaries and also limit the chances of a big market team from raiding small market teams.

Can't back it up, of course. Wishful thinking perhaps.

On a side note, for those who are concerned that Dally might make too much and we should be frugal, consider what happens to the team if we lose him.
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The sticking point in the new CBA negotiations is the hard cap. The owners seem determined to have one. If there is indeed a hard cap, then there can't be an MLE, Bi-annual, or Bird exception. Because all those exceptions allow you to go over the cap. A hard cap would mean no exceptions.

Someone mentioned that Dallas could resign Chandler to an extension before June 30th in order to get something done before he becomes an offical unrestricted freeagent. The Kings can do the same thing with Dalembert, if they desire. There are some pitfalls involved in doing so. As best I can interpret the current CBA, it appears that an extension is a continuation of the current contract plus a certain percentage of raise. And it can be extended for up to five years, with most of those years guaranteed.

That would mean in Dalemberts case, the starting point for an extension would be 13.5 mil. And in Chandlers case it would be 12.6 mil. Now that amount may not matter to Cuban, but I'm sure the Kings had a different starting point in mind for Dalembert. No contract can be renogotiated downward. A rule put in to keep teams from creating capspace. Moot point anyway since contracts can't be renogotiated between march and june 30th.

With the new CBA likely to have changes favorable to ownership, it benefits most teams to wait until a new CBA is in place. As I said, Cuban may not care, and go ahead with an extension for Chandler. But don't be surprised if he doesn't.
 
I think with centers you have to allow a higher starting salary point than you might normally consider. They are just so hard to find and anyone with cap space is going to go after them. If they were hoping to resign Dally for 7 or 8 million starting, I think you stand a greater chance of losing him. I don't think he's worth losing so I would be ok with extending him 3 years. But even that is going to be about 45 million or so. He can always go ring hunting for his final years after banking that kind of extension. It might be worth trying to play for him in free agency, but I think the risk of losing him is higher.
 
JB_kings said:
I think with centers you have to allow a higher starting salary point than you might normally consider. They are just so hard to find and anyone with cap space is going to go after them. If they were hoping to resign Dally for 7 or 8 million starting, I think you stand a greater chance of losing him. I don't think he's worth losing so I would be ok with extending him 3 years. But even that is going to be about 45 million or so. He can always go ring hunting for his final years after banking that kind of extension. It might be worth trying to play for him in free agency, but I think the risk of losing him is higher.
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Well, he may cost $10, or would have under the old system. But Daly is not a $15mil a year player.

No matter what he is though, we have the money to reain him, if he's willing to overlook our record.
 
I really believe Dalembert will not resign here. I see him going to a championship team, sure...he can get the most money from us but do we really want to overpay him? If he doesn't like the offer we put out there for him at a reasonable price for someone his age then adios Mr. Dalembert. I'd love him back don't get me wrong but I just have a gut feeling that he won't be.
 
bajaden said:
The sticking point in the new CBA negotiations is the hard cap. The owners seem determined to have one. If there is indeed a hard cap, then there can't be an MLE, Bi-annual, or Bird exception. Because all those exceptions allow you to go over the cap. A hard cap would mean no exceptions.

Someone mentioned that Dallas could resign Chandler to an extension before June 30th in order to get something done before he becomes an offical unrestricted freeagent. The Kings can do the same thing with Dalembert, if they desire. There are some pitfalls involved in doing so. As best I can interpret the current CBA, it appears that an extension is a continuation of the current contract plus a certain percentage of raise. And it can be extended for up to five years, with most of those years guaranteed.

That would mean in Dalemberts case, the starting point for an extension would be 13.5 mil. And in Chandlers case it would be 12.6 mil. Now that amount may not matter to Cuban, but I'm sure the Kings had a different starting point in mind for Dalembert. No contract can be renogotiated downward. A rule put in to keep teams from creating capspace. Moot point anyway since contracts can't be renogotiated between march and june 30th.

With the new CBA likely to have changes favorable to ownership, it benefits most teams to wait until a new CBA is in place. As I said, Cuban may not care, and go ahead with an extension for Chandler. But don't be surprised if he doesn't.
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It doesn't have to be a raise. He could extend at a lower number. There is just a max allowed over the current contract.
 
This shouldn't be a concern, unless he really puts wins ahead of $$.

If he does, though, Anthony and Miller in a sign and trade? Or just go and try to spend on Tyson Chandler?
 
LPKingsFan said:
This shouldn't be a concern, unless he really puts wins ahead of $$.

If he does, though, Anthony and Miller in a sign and trade? Or just go and try to spend on Tyson Chandler?
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Chandler becomes even elss likely in that scenario. Then you have another center who would like to win, only this one is already on a feel good big time winner playing for one of the most spendthrift owners in league history.

At least with Daly he's our guy and we have more $$ to spend than any of the likely suitors. We basically have no edge at all when it comes to Chandler.
 
kingsboi said:
I really believe Dalembert will not resign here. I see him going to a championship team, sure...he can get the most money from us but do we really want to overpay him? If he doesn't like the offer we put out there for him at a reasonable price for someone his age then adios Mr. Dalembert. I'd love him back don't get me wrong but I just have a gut feeling that he won't be.
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Average age of Dallas's lineup was about 72. Its not a fluke. All title teams are full of wily old vets, and at a certain point if you want to start moving that way you will need them too. Even great teams like OKC and Chicago were largely done in in the playoffs just by being too young and not having that experience. Especially when you are talking about 30yr olds still in their prime. 35? No. Won't be there when you start getting good. 30? Yeah, we're loaded with young talent, now its moving into add the steady vets stage.
 
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