Marty Mac's prespective on Cousins:

http://www.freep.com/article/201006...ts/ESPNs-Bilas-wouldnt-draft-DeMarcus-Cousins

Jay Bilas was on the Jim Rome show yesterday and spent a considerable amount of time discussing Cousins. Apparently, Bilas was an instructor at a camp that Cousins attended a some point in the past. I didn't get the exact time frame but it seemed to be in the last couple years.

The above article pretty accurately depicts what was said on the show. Although, Bilas was fairly adamant that he would not take Cousins early in the draft.

Just passing the info along...
 
I'll tell you, a month ago I didn't want Cousins. I was all over Wesley Johnson. But seeing as how we aren't going to get Johnson and there's big word that Kings are interested in Monroe, I'm rooting for Cousins. His interviews have lightened up, and I do see the potential in the guy.

I just DON'T want Monroe....period.
 
You gotta take this guy man and if a incident when he was 16 is making all of the fuss about his character than these people need to get off it. He's gonna be a stud point blank and if he doesn't mature or live up to his potential we took a chance we move on point blank. I pray we don't let this kid turn into a beast somewhere else, I'll be damned if he's making an impact in Golden State.
 
G_M said:
http://www.freep.com/article/201006...ts/ESPNs-Bilas-wouldnt-draft-DeMarcus-Cousins

Jay Bilas was on the Jim Rome show yesterday and spent a considerable amount of time discussing Cousins. Apparently, Bilas was an instructor at a camp that Cousins attended a some point in the past. I didn't get the exact time frame but it seemed to be in the last couple years.

The above article pretty accurately depicts what was said on the show. Although, Bilas was fairly adamant that he would not take Cousins early in the draft.

Just passing the info along...
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The article was incredibly mild. So why was Bilas adamant on not taking Cousins early in the draft? Clearly, #5 is early.
 
As long as he craves and wants to play basketball, it will all work out. Big money is a given. Kids mature, skills are learned. But passion to play and win are what is really matters. From that motivation you can work out the kinks like weight issues and popping off to a coach.
 
Bilas was on KHTK yesterday with Grant and Mike. He said he wouldn't have the patience to babysit someone like Cousins. He felt it might be okay if you had some very strong, respected veterans in the locker room(he mentioned MJ and Pippen), otherwise he'd pass at picking him high in the draft.
 
Frankly I'm getting a little suspect of Jay Bilas. Out of one side of his mouth he says he's a good kid but a little immature, and out the other he says I wouldn't draft him. while admitting that he's very talented. Cousins is immature! Duh? Just about all 19 year olds are immature. No, there's something more going on here. Something must have happened between the two of them in the past, because its almost as though he carrying on a polite vendeta against Cousins.

Yeah, Cousins had an altercation with an assistant coach when he was 16 years old. Does that brand him for life? I can't remember the last time a kid this age has been attacked as much by the press. I don't know. I just find it strange..
 
kennadog said:
Bilas was on KHTK yesterday with Grant and Mike. He said he wouldn't have the patience to babysit someone like Cousins. He felt it might be okay if you had some very strong, respected veterans in the locker room(he mentioned MJ and Pippen), otherwise he'd pass at picking him high in the draft.
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Well, Orton did say he was, "a big baby."
 
bajaden said:
Frankly I'm getting a little suspect of Jay Bilas. Out of one side of his mouth he says he's a good kid but a little immature, and out the other he says I wouldn't draft him. while admitting that he's very talented. Cousins is immature! Duh? Just about all 19 year olds are immature. No, there's something more going on here. Something must have happened between the two of them in the past, because its almost as though he carrying on a polite vendeta against Cousins.

Yeah, Cousins had an altercation with an assistant coach when he was 16 years old. Does that brand him for life? I can't remember the last time a kid this age has been attacked as much by the press. I don't know. I just find it strange..
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I highly doubt it. Bilas shoots it pretty straight from everything I've read from him and is a real advocate for the athletes in most cases. He has nothing to gain by making up stories. And when he calls Cousins immature, he's obviously putting it in the context of Cousins peers.

To me it seems pretty straightforward. Bilas coached him at the camp, Cousins came off as immature and Bilas is reporting that . That's not an attack, that's an draft analyst relating a personal experience. Bilas now thinks Cousins would need a lot of babysitting to succeed in the NBA and if he were in charge, he'd rather not deal with it. The "good kid" is really more just a bone to say the guy isn't a bad seed, he'he just mighht be too immature for the bright lights and money of the NBA.
 
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I highly doubt it. Bilas shoots it pretty straight from everything I've read from him and is a real advocate for the athletes in most cases. He has nothing to gain by making up stories. And when he calls Cousins immature, he's obviously putting it in the context of Cousins peers.

To me it seems pretty straightforward. Bilas coached him at the camp, Cousins came off as immature and Bilas is reporting that . That's not an attack, that's an draft analyst relating a personal experience. Bilas now thinks Cousins would need a lot of babysitting to succeed in the NBA and if he were in charge, he'd rather not deal with it. The "good kid" is really more just a bone to say the guy isn't a bad seed, he'he just mighht be too immature for the bright lights and money of the NBA.
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I agree with this. It seems you can either look at this one of two ways. Either there are a lot of people out there with some ulterior motive that are making up stories and trying to badmouth the kid. Or, there are some obvious issues there that is not typical of the run-of-the-mill 19 year old NBA prospect. I find it hard to believe people are trying to take down this kid. Maybe I'm more conservative by nature, but to me these seem like red flags. Not that I wouldn't take the risk if I felt the talent matched the risk, but there would need to be a big potential payout.
 
bajaden said:
Yeah, Cousins had an altercation with an assistant coach when he was 16 years old. Does that brand him for life? I can't remember the last time a kid this age has been attacked as much by the press. I don't know. I just find it strange..
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I had an altercation with an assistant coach at 17 that almost got me kicked off the football team. I turned out all right. ;)
 
When I was listening to Bilas, it was a little more like he was saying if he was a coach, he wouldn't want to take on Cousins at that high of a pick. He wasn't necessarily advising other coaches to stay away. So it was a "warning" from his perspective. His perspective is that Cousins will need a lot of babysitting and some coaches might be okay with that. He wouldn't be.

Probably some teams are pondering something similar about taking on Cousins. Doesn't mean he's a bad choice or person. Its just part of what needs to be considered. Cousins may need more "handling" and patience than some other picks.
 
bajaden said:
Frankly I'm getting a little suspect of Jay Bilas. Out of one side of his mouth he says he's a good kid but a little immature, and out the other he says I wouldn't draft him. while admitting that he's very talented. Cousins is immature! Duh? Just about all 19 year olds are immature. No, there's something more going on here. Something must have happened between the two of them in the past, because its almost as though he carrying on a polite vendeta against Cousins.

Yeah, Cousins had an altercation with an assistant coach when he was 16 years old. Does that brand him for life? I can't remember the last time a kid this age has been attacked as much by the press. I don't know. I just find it strange..
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Baja, with all due respect, it seems you write off every source that has something negative to say about Cousins and endorse every source that says something positive about him.
 
I know if I was him I wouldn't even talk to the press ... and when I did it wouldn't be polite, I would just feed the fire ;)
 
hammystyle said:
I highly doubt it. Bilas shoots it pretty straight from everything I've read from him and is a real advocate for the athletes in most cases. He has nothing to gain by making up stories. And when he calls Cousins immature, he's obviously putting it in the context of Cousins peers.

To me it seems pretty straightforward. Bilas coached him at the camp, Cousins came off as immature and Bilas is reporting that . That's not an attack, that's an draft analyst relating a personal experience. Bilas now thinks Cousins would need a lot of babysitting to succeed in the NBA and if he were in charge, he'd rather not deal with it. The "good kid" is really more just a bone to say the guy isn't a bad seed, he'he just mighht be too immature for the bright lights and money of the NBA.
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What you just said was a mess. And thats not your fault. Its because everything about Cousin's is so convoluted that its impossible to make a rational decision. Look! I have the greatest respect for Jay Bilas, but he's pushing this anti-Cousins campaign just a little to hard for me. When did Bilas coach him at camp, and what happened there? Give me some facts. How would you like to be Cousins and have someone as respected as Bilas following you around the NBA and dissing you. Essentially costing you money if he causes you to slide down the draft boards.

When I used the word attack I wasn't referring to Bilas in particular. However, its one thing to call him immature. Thats no secret. Even Cousins has admitted that he's immature and has a lot to learn. But to suggest to teams that drafting Cousins is a mistake and he wouldn't do it, is entirely different. I'm not going after you on this. I know your very even minded on the Cousins issue. I just think that if Bilas really had Cousins best interest at heart, he would take a different approach.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Baja, with all due respect, it seems you write off every source that has something negative to say about Cousins and endorse every source that says something positive about him.
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I can see where you might see it that way. But I've admitted that Cousins has some issues, and yes, because of that, is somewhat of a risky choice. I just get tired of every article being posted for the most, is negative about Cousins. Maybe my memory is short, but even with Beasley, who had a history with drugs to go along with attitude problem. didn't have this much negativism written about him.

In fairness to Bilas, I never read his article or heard any audio on what he said, so maybe I'm off base. But I didn't have a problem with him saying Cousins was immature and probably needed to be babysitted. I agree with that! I had a problem with him recommending teams not draft him with a high pick. Now maybe he really didn't say that way. I don't know. And if not then I'm off base. But where Cousins is concerned, I've already said that yes, he's has issues, but I think his talent outweighs those issues.
 
bajaden said:
I have to ask. Who won? :rolleyes:
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Oh, I didn't punch him. That would have been bad given my size/strength at that age and him being a pot bellied 50+ year old. But I did threaten to kill him and kinda meant it. :p

He was a notorious jerk anyway, and so I still don't feel that bad about it. This is why, BTW, I always considered the idea of me going through the military almost inconceivable despite numerous military types in the extended family. Would never have made it through basic training without throttling a drill sergeant. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Oh, I didn't punch him. That would have been bad given my size/strength at that age and him being a pot bellied 50+ year old. But I did threaten to kill him and kinda meant it. :p

He was a notorious jerk anyway, and so I still don't feel that bad about it. This is why, BTW, I always considered the idea of me going through the military almost inconceivable despite numerous military types in the extended family. Would never have made it through basic training without throttling a drill sergeant. ;)
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Yeah, good decision on your part. Punching a drill sergeant brings worse results than punching an assistant coach. Trust me, I know... Try digging 4, 6 foot by 6 foot by 3 foot holes back to back.. One of those 6 foots is the deep measurement. :eek:
 
bajaden said:
Yeah, good decision on your part. Punching a drill sergeant brings worse results than punching an assistant coach. Trust me, I know... Try digging 4, 6 foot by 6 foot by 3 foot holes back to back.. One of those 6 foots is the deep measurement. :eek:
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Kinda like the one-empty-chamber-per-firing-squad rule - you dig four holes so you don't know which one is going to be your grave!
 
bajaden said:
Yeah, good decision on your part. Punching a drill sergeant brings worse results than punching an assistant coach. Trust me, I know... Try digging 4, 6 foot by 6 foot by 3 foot holes back to back.. One of those 6 foots is the deep measurement. :eek:
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Now how do you know that, ya malcontent. :p

Alas I fear it would have been a lot more than 4 holes for me, as I assume part of that is that you are supposed to learn a lesson/be contrite. I know my 18 year old self far too well for that -- after I had expressed my opinions on the seargent's parentage, the likilihood of him selecting a profession where he got to bully recruits being an attempt to compensate for certain physical inadequacies, and offered to hire him to clean my toilets with his tongue after he was discharged from the miltary, I think we might have been there for a while. Or more likely they would have just given up and thrown me in the brig. :p


All of which is to say I understand ornery, and it would not/does not bother me a bit if that is what Cousins is. If somebody gets in his face and his first instinct is to knock them down, I consider that a good thing. Now on the other hand if he's immature in the sense of being a wanna go to the strip club and get in shootouts, ride around with my posse and play pretend millionaire gansta, stay out all night, don't work, become a fat slob type, then I'm concerend.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Baja, with all due respect, it seems you write off every source that has something negative to say about Cousins and endorse every source that says something positive about him.
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Are you asking Baja if he likes Cousins or if he is biased on Cousins, or what?

Dude, the guy is obviously in-love with the kid. Why in the hell woud you be asking such questions to him?:p
 
Bricklayer said:
Now how do you know that, ya malcontent. :p

Alas I fear it would have been a lot more than 4 holes for me, as I assume part of that is that you are supposed to learn a lesson/be contrite. I know my 18 year old self far too well for that -- after I had expressed my opinions on the seargent's parentage, the likilihood of him selecting a profession where he got to bully recruits being an attempt to compensate for certain physical inadequacies, and offered to hire him to clean my toilets with his tongue after he was discharged from the miltary, I think we might have been there for a while. Or more likely they would have just given up and thrown me in the brig. :p


All of which is to say I understand ornery, and it would not/does not bother me a bit if that is what Cousins is. If somebody gets in his face and his first instinct is to knock them down, I consider that a good thing. Now on the other hand if he's immature in the sense of being a wanna go to the strip club and get in shootouts, ride around with my posse and play pretend millionaire gansta, stay out all night, don't work, become a fat slob type, then I'm concerend.
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We be on the same page.. And yes, I was the hole digger. The only lesson I learned from it, was that digging holes for a living wasn't a career path I intended to persue.
 
Prince_XY said:
Are you asking Baja if he likes Cousins or if he is biased on Cousins, or what?

Dude, the guy is obviously in-love with the kid. Why in the hell woud you be asking such questions to him?:p
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Just curious, but what exactly is your definition of the word love...:p
 
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