Marc Stein: Celtics will "open their war chest" in potential Cousins trade

This dovetails into discussions we've already had, but the short answer is no, I don't even consider it. Even with 10 lottery picks over the next 5 years you'd be hard pressed to draft a player better than Cousins. Firstly, you don't know where those picks are going to end up. You might not end up with a single pick in the top 5. Then you have to correctly guess the one franchise player left on the board that everyone else missed on. And that's just to get an even deal, to come out ahead you'd need to find more than one franchise player or a franchise player and an All-Star. It's such a long shot, that it doesn't make sense. Boston could rightly offer every valuable asset they have to try and get Cousins, we should still say no.

The only Cousins trade that would make sense at this point is if we're getting a franchise player in return and multiple picks. Boston doesn't have that.
 
Unless we are bringing in Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis, it would be ludicrous to think there is any type of value out there worth trading DeMarcus.
 
I would consider trading Cousins for a ton of 1st rd draft picks in 10 years. Im bookmarking this thread for 2025!
 
Darth Divac said:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....celtics-trying-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins/

I love DeMarcus, and I'm all for building around him for the next 10+ years. But if the Kings could rob the Celtics absolutely blind, with all of those draft picks...that kind of trade could put a team on the fast track to contention. Would you at least consider it?
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The Celtics have all those draft picks. Do you consider them 'on the fast track to contention'? Ludicrous to trade a known commodity of such value for a bunch of maybe/what if's............ unless you really like this whole 'just wait till next year' BS. Boston can open their War Chest all they like. It is lacking anything even close to what DeMarcus is worth.
 
Darth Divac said:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....celtics-trying-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins/

I love DeMarcus, and I'm all for building around him for the next 10+ years. But if the Kings could rob the Celtics absolutely blind, with all of those draft picks...that kind of trade could put a team on the fast track to contention. Would you at least consider it?
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No.

No No No.

People who even give this a thought don't get it.

DeMarcus Cousins is the ENTIRE reason you want draft picks. You drafted a HOFer. Now you decide to trade him for...what exactly? How can you upgrade having drafted a HOFer? The best center in the game? The answer is you can't. You can do no better. And so you DO NOT TRADE DEMARCUS COUSINS. You don't trade him for LeBron (too old). You don't trade him for picks you HOPE one day might be half as good as him. YOU DO NOT TRADE DEMARCUS COUSINS. Its not even a fun idea to play with. Kings fans waited 25 years to draft a guy as good as Cousins. you could easily wait another 25 before getting so lucky again.
 
Who the hell are they going to get in the draft that impacts the game like Demarcus?!

Go look at the past 2 years drafts (last year's was "the deepest in 10 years", they said) - unless you are picking 1st (Bennett, Wiggins) it's basically a bunch of nobodies that aren't going to impact a franchise like Cuz.

And what picks is Boston realistically going to trade?
3 mid-round picks? A team would have to have clairvoyance to do anything good with those picks.
They are (AGAIN) FOOL's GOLD, people!!

Geez, what the hell is wrong with Kings fans?!
They actually FINALLY get someone great in a draft, and they want to continue gambling with longshots?
Are y'all addicted to the draft gamble?!
Guess what - "promising" possibilities doesn't cut it in the NBA - it's a man's game, and rookies (especially selected after #10) don't usually pan out. It's the diamond in the rough that actually becomes dominant.

It's as if some people are addicted to perpetually losing.
Seriously - is that what some Kings fans (subconsciously) want? To always be scouting draft picks, never field a competitive team, desperate to find that BIG WINNER that everyone else missed out on? (sounds EXACTLY like Vivek's personality disorder right there)

Here's an idea - why don't we try ONE SEASON where the Kings actually bring in talent, and try to build a team around Demarcus' game, and don't sabotage the team by deliberately tanking, before we actually come to ANY conclusions about Cousins' ability to win in the NBA, 'kay?
 
I'm not advocating we trade Cousins but I think a lot of you on this board overvalued him a little. Yes he is arguably the best center in the league right now but honestly that's not saying a whole lot. The game is changing and centers aren't AS important as they were in the past. I agree with most of you who say he is the best we've had in a long time.. my question is, can he lead a team and be the guy on a championship caliber team? I am not the kind of person that would just boldly say yes at this point. I truly don't know if he has that ability or not. So, if the right package comes along, I say we absolutely need to at least consider it.
 
we havent even built a roster or made a run with boogie. I have no faith in the front office to do that with future draft pics.

The god dam future is now. This offseason is everything for us. We need to make the right moves and pick up where we left off in the first quarter of last season.
 
Kingsroots said:
I'm not advocating we trade Cousins but I think a lot of you on this board overvalued him a little. Yes he is arguably the best center in the league right now but honestly that's not saying a whole lot. The game is changing and centers aren't AS important as they were in the past. I agree with most of you who say he is the best we've had in a long time.. my question is, can he lead a team and be the guy on a championship caliber team? I am not the kind of person that would just boldly say yes at this point. I truly don't know if he has that ability or not. So, if the right package comes along, I say we absolutely need to at least consider it.
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The game isn't changing. We just have what no one else does. In the land of prison spoons, we have a sledgehammer.

The FO is too cowardly to understand, and they'd rather try to be flashy than thump people nightly.

Enough of this talk. Boston doesn't have crap to even open this discussion, but if you really want to trade him and start digging into the class of 2018 for the hope of getting a player of Cousins's quality, go for it.
 
Kingsroots said:
I'm not advocating we trade Cousins but I think a lot of you on this board overvalued him a little. Yes he is arguably the best center in the league right now but honestly that's not saying a whole lot. The game is changing and centers aren't AS important as they were in the past. I agree with most of you who say he is the best we've had in a long time.. my question is, can he lead a team and be the guy on a championship caliber team? I am not the kind of person that would just boldly say yes at this point. I truly don't know if he has that ability or not. So, if the right package comes along, I say we absolutely need to at least consider it.
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Yes, he absolutely is. You don't put up the kind of numbers Cousins has the last two years by accident. And there is no right package. Who could we possibly get back in a Cousins trade who could "be the guy on a championship caliber team?" And if you trade him for draft picks, you're putting all our hopes on the geniuses who torpedoed last season and failed to put a half-way decent team around a HoF caliber player. Trading Cuz is a lose/lose situation for the Kings. Period.
 
Anybody that would consider trading Cousins isn't a kings fan and shouldn't claim to be. I don't give a damn if he demanded a trade tommorow id laugh at him in his face. Dude has 3 more years left you don't even pick up the phone till 2017.

Also if you can't build a playoff team around a center that gives you
24-12-3 than we have bigger problems than cousins wanting out.
 
This is pure speculation. I know a lot out here think that our FO is dumb as hell, but as long as DMC doesn't ask to be traded, a player of this caliber won't get traded for draft picks, when he is not on the last year of his contract.
The center position is still very important. The fact, that it has changed quite a bit since the 90's doesn't mean it's less valuable for a winning team, than guards or wings.
And I can't imagine any offense or playstyle, in which DMC is not one of the best players on the floor - so no matter which kind of playstyle our FO actually prefers, it all starts with DMC. Just a great thing, that he is not just a great center but a great basketballplayer.
 
SwishKing said:
Yes, he absolutely is. You don't put up the kind of numbers Cousins has the last two years by accident. And there is no right package. Who could we possibly get back in a Cousins trade who could "be the guy on a championship caliber team?" And if you trade him for draft picks, you're putting all our hopes on the geniuses who torpedoed last season and failed to put a half-way decent team around a HoF caliber player. Trading Cuz is a lose/lose situation for the Kings. Period.
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Really cause Kevin Love put up 26/12.4/4.4 didn't he on a team that won 41/42 games and Kevin Love is nothing even close to a HOF player or guy you build a championship around. Numbers are what they are numbers there's a lot more to it than numbers.

Kingsroots said:
I'm not advocating we trade Cousins but I think a lot of you on this board overvalued him a little. Yes he is arguably the best center in the league right now but honestly that's not saying a whole lot. The game is changing and centers aren't AS important as they were in the past. I agree with most of you who say he is the best we've had in a long time.. my question is, can he lead a team and be the guy on a championship caliber team? I am not the kind of person that would just boldly say yes at this point. I truly don't know if he has that ability or not. So, if the right package comes along, I say we absolutely need to at least consider it.
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That's 100% the case, there is just very little evidence (aside from being insanely talented) to support the theory that yeah he's the #1 guy on a championship team.

When you have not won more than 30 games in forever you have to consider every deal that comes your way, in saying that I don't think Boston would be the team we trade with unless they have a number of high top 10 draft picks.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Let's try to make our arguments without resorting to "No True Scotsman" logical fallacies, please and thank you.
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Yes, thank you. I've been a die hard fan for 20 years. I've watched almost all of their games even in the last 8 or 9 years of sucktitude.

I'll reiterate though, that just because he beasts nightly and his stats are amazing, that doesn't necessarily translate to winning. I'm not saying it won't when we put better players around him but I also can't say yet that he can lead a team through the playoffs. His attitude in my opinion is still not close to what it needs to be to be a true leader of a team. All I am saying is that if a rediculous package is offered, it would be dumb of us not to consider it.
 
KingMilz said:
Really cause Kevin Love put up 26/12.4/4.4 didn't he on a team that won 41/42 games and Kevin Love is nothing even close to a HOF player or guy you build a championship around. Numbers are what they are numbers there's a lot more to it than numbers.
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K.Love put up those numbers while also being one of the worst defensive players in the league at his position. Cousins is a two way player and obviously more talented than Love.
 
SwishKing said:
K.Love put up those numbers while also being one of the worst defensive players in the league at his position. Cousins is a two way player and obviously more talented than Love.
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He also lead the team more wins......and I''m fairly sure that team was very injury prone.
 
How many wins can you expect when you cycle through 3 coaches in one freaking year? Cousins could have won 40 this year if we stuck with Malone and continued to play defense. Who was the head coach for that Minnesota Timberwolves team btw? I remember him being pretty good. But hell, who needs coaching, right?
 
No, there is no way you trade DMC for picks. This is the guy you build around not the guy you parlay into a do over and hope for the best. At this point the grass is greener folks will assume that picking smart means that DMC could be potentially turned into 2, 3 or even 4 great starters one or more could be huge!.... and yes some sharpies may well bring this thread back up in 5 years and show what great guys we could have had with 20/20 hindsight. But thats not the way the real world works. If you look at 5 years of drafting by ANY team in the NBA you will see that even the best and luckiest teams are missing about as much as they are hitting. So unless the picks come with a 2021 NBA reference full of player stats forget it.

DMC is not just a sure thing (as opposed to draft risk) he is a unique talent the kind that does NOT turn up in every other draft, more like once a decade. So thanks but no thanks Danny Ainge, and by the way you held out on moving Rondo get back to me on how that turns out for you.
 
Kingsroots said:
I'll reiterate though, that just because he beasts nightly and his stats are amazing, that doesn't necessarily translate to winning. I'm not saying it won't when we put better players around him but I also can't say yet that he can lead a team through the playoffs. His attitude in my opinion is still not close to what it needs to be to be a true leader of a team. All I am saying is that if a rediculous package is offered, it would be dumb of us not to consider it.
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AGAIN, PEOPLE!!!!

Demarcus is not the reason the Kings haven't been winning the past five years!
Anyone not knowing that, is simply buying the propaganda and spin the league puts out.

Tell you what - why don't you name the kind of ridiculous package that would be smart to trade for Demarcus, so we can laugh at the impossibleness of it and we can get back to focusing on REAL moves the Kings can make to get better.
 
I don't get why folks think the Kings would be trading DMC thinking that it will make them better in the short or mid-term. They will say that sure, but that has nothing to do with it.

The team has to know that, most likely Cousins is gone in 3 years, so they probably have to trade him within the next two years. Unless thing miraculously turn around here, they will trade him when it gets them the most value. To gauge value and make sure they get the deal they need, they will listen.

Even if the Celts cleaned out almost all of their assets, to me, it's too much risk on where the Nets picks fall right now.
 
Kingsroots said:
I'm not advocating we trade Cousins but I think a lot of you on this board overvalued him a little. Yes he is arguably the best center in the league right now but honestly that's not saying a whole lot. The game is changing and centers aren't AS important as they were in the past. I agree with most of you who say he is the best we've had in a long time.. my question is, can he lead a team and be the guy on a championship caliber team? I am not the kind of person that would just boldly say yes at this point. I truly don't know if he has that ability or not. So, if the right package comes along, I say we absolutely need to at least consider it.
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Consider. Not just consider. Absorb the full import of this:

Age 24, Per 36 minutes:

Boogie: 25.4pts (.545TS%) 13.4reb 3.8ast 1.6stl 1.8blk 4.5TO
Shaquille: 24.8pts (.556TS%) 11.9reb 2.9ast 0.9stl 2.7blk
Moses: 24.3pts (.560TS%)13.6reb 1.7ast 0.9stl 1.2blk 3.4TO
Hakeem: 22.9pts(.554TS%) 11.2reb 2.9ast 1.8stl 3.3blk 3.0TO
Ewing: 22.1pts (.549TS%) 9.1reb 1.7ast 1.5stl 2.4blk 3.7TO
Duncan 20.6pts (.536TS%)11.3reb 2.8ast 0.8stl 2.2blk 2.7TO

Just to ballpark it, those are roughly the 6th, 8th, 9th, 15th and 25th or so greatest PLAYERS in NBA history. Not just centers. PLAYERS. And look where Boogie sits.

No we aren't overrating him. I am 100% no B.S. convinced that Sacarmento fans in particular have no scale to compare against. He's by so far the greatest center in the entire 70 year history of the franchise there is just nothing to compare against. NBA fans, especially younger ones, struggle with it too. They were told these creatures didn't exist anymore, and here one comes and they don't know how to watch it.

BTW, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard, and DeAndre/Duncan all wave hi from the 2nd round of the playoffs. As would Al Horford if he were not so busy getting slapped around by a true center in Brook Lopez. Those 5 names, sans Lopez, will likely be almost all the ALL NBA center vote getters competing with Boogie. And if two of them did not have to meet in the first round, they would oddly all still be playing. And not one of them can hold a candle to Boogie.
 
You know what, **** the Celtics. They try to trade for Demarcus every year offering bullcrap trades. 3 years ago it was Jared Sullinger+ Fab Melo+dumps which they claimed was enough. 2 years ago it was Sullinger+1 st round pick+ dumps. Last year it was strictly Rondo. This year they've tried to propose the same stupid garbage.

Their entire roster is not worth Cousins and I'm not even being biased. They're probably trying to offer us Isaiah Thomas and Olynk and their mid 1st round pick this year. Again, **** the Celtics.

Most annoying franchise ever. They're that annoying ass monopoly player who won't stop trying to low ball you.
 
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