Marbury and Francis Available?
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That's a broad statement and completely subjective.
I don't think bibby is a very good POINT GUARD. He's a very good SCORING GUARD, but he can't initiate the offense from what I've ever seen. He's a terrible defender.
What's he got that is THAT much better than Marbury or Francis?
Marbury can dribble circles around Bibby and doesn't get flustered when there is token pressure before the half-court line. Same with Francis.
Bibby has a nice jump shot ... and ... and ... not much else.
I'm not a fan of either of their games (Francis/Marbury), as I think they are both extremely selfish ... but to say they are worse than Bibby is kind of unsubstantiated.
I don't think bibby is a very good POINT GUARD. He's a very good SCORING GUARD, but he can't initiate the offense from what I've ever seen. He's a terrible defender.
What's he got that is THAT much better than Marbury or Francis?
Marbury can dribble circles around Bibby and doesn't get flustered when there is token pressure before the half-court line. Same with Francis.
Bibby has a nice jump shot ... and ... and ... not much else.
I'm not a fan of either of their games (Francis/Marbury), as I think they are both extremely selfish ... but to say they are worse than Bibby is kind of unsubstantiated.
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It's not whether or not Marbury is good or not - he's EXTREMELY talented. He's also extremely selfish and a problem child. He's also on a squad that was constucted as if Thomas was on crack and playing PS2 at the time.
I disagree. Our guard situation isn't very pretty. After Bibby and Bonzi ... the second unit has a steep drop-off. While, in comparison, after Reef and Miller, we have Skinner, Williamson and Thomas. Our frontcourt is pretty solid.
I'd take an Earl Boykins or Eal Watson in a heartbeat right now.
Both decent defenders. Both spark plugs.
I disagree. Our guard situation isn't very pretty. After Bibby and Bonzi ... the second unit has a steep drop-off. While, in comparison, after Reef and Miller, we have Skinner, Williamson and Thomas. Our frontcourt is pretty solid.
I'd take an Earl Boykins or Eal Watson in a heartbeat right now.
Both decent defenders. Both spark plugs.
The availability of both Francis and Marbury might affect the Kings by swinging a three or four team deal that includes one or both of those guys. Other players that I'm sure are available are Andre Miller and/or Earl Watson. There is no way that Denver stays with three PG's this year. They need some more outside shooting and with Nene out for the year they also need some frontcourt help and either Miller or Watson can get them what they lack. Now, I'm not in any way advocating that we get rid of Bibby, but should it come to that, either Miller or Watson would not be a bad fit here.
Agreed about our swingman-rotation.
Long-term this season, I'm not really liking/too sure on Martin being Bonzi's back-up, and seemingly Garcia being Peja's. I'd rather we have a combo swingman there who would be a spark, and has some experience. Hart I'm not worried about.
Even if KT isn't doing well right now, I think he'll get out of it in a couple weeks or so. Skinner/Corliss I'm not conerned about.
I agree with that.
Long-term this season, I'm not really liking/too sure on Martin being Bonzi's back-up, and seemingly Garcia being Peja's. I'd rather we have a combo swingman there who would be a spark, and has some experience. Hart I'm not worried about.
Even if KT isn't doing well right now, I think he'll get out of it in a couple weeks or so. Skinner/Corliss I'm not conerned about.
I agree with that.
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Gosh. How times change. I bet you wouldn't never said anything like that when we were kicking Mavericks' *** three years in a row in the playoffs. Now all of a suddent Nash is *infinitely* better than Bibby. Get real you guys, if we trade Bibby that is SOOO going to backfire on us, we will all be sitting here weeping. Especialy to Denver. He would become their ticket to the Western COnference finals AT LEAST.
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No, actually I would have said ... jeez Mike Bibby just earned his rep by hitting those clutch shots ... but really what else has he ever done?
To me, he's always been an average (at best) PG on a team that allows him to function more like a SG.
It's possible.
Unfortunately, I don't think the team is structured for a Bibby type of PG. The team is structured more for a traditional PG. One who can slash into the lane and make the outlet pass.
Bibby hasn't ever shown me the ability to do this. I've never seen him break his man down consistantly and make the smart pass. He's looking for his shot.
Perhaps he can adapt -- or perhaps he's grown used to relying on others to initiate the offense.
To me, he's always been an average (at best) PG on a team that allows him to function more like a SG.
It's possible.
Unfortunately, I don't think the team is structured for a Bibby type of PG. The team is structured more for a traditional PG. One who can slash into the lane and make the outlet pass.
Bibby hasn't ever shown me the ability to do this. I've never seen him break his man down consistantly and make the smart pass. He's looking for his shot.
Perhaps he can adapt -- or perhaps he's grown used to relying on others to initiate the offense.
I never said I would trade Bibby either. I just think Nash is better in many respects and I felt that way when he was with Dallas also. Bibby is certainly a better outside shooter, but I give the nod to Nash in most other aspects of the game. Tempo control, speed, passing, ball-handling, ability to create own shot, getting to the basket, leadership, etc.
There is no way that Bibby, if traded, would go to Denver. All of the references to Denver's point guards are good, but they would have to involve at least one other team. As far as the Bibby v Nash argument goes...sure, three years ago Mike outperformed Nash most of the time during the playoffs, but Nash has taken it to another level in the last year or so. Right now, there's no question who the better point guard is. If it were to ever come to the point of looking to deal Bibby, there would be a number of teams waiting in line to talk with Petrie. While I don't think that anyone should give up on this team yet, the whole thing out of New York about Marbury being available I'm sure has made Larry Brown want someone like Bibby, which has made me think of some scnerios where Bibby could be dealt in a 3-4 team trade, involving Denver.
Even when Bibby starts hitting shots, he is still a huge liability on defense. He get burned by opposing pg all the time. Creating huge pressure on the low post players to stop those penetrating guards. However, I think our lack of athleticism in the front court is a bigger problem than Bibby's invisible defense.
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On the subject Nash vs Bibby, Nash was the better point guard (creating for his teammate) but necessarily a better shooter even three years ago. I remember Nash's penetration shred through the Kings defense repeatedly during the playoff. However, the Kings were able to kill the Mavs with a much better low post game. Bibby is more of a shooting point guard whereas Nash is pass point guard.
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