Maloofs to ask NBA for extension on relocation deadline
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Gavin said in an interview with Forbes that if they are deciding to do something, if any of the 5 vote no, then they don't do that something.
I guess our best chance then is that they word the vote, "Shall we move to Anaheim?" rather than, "Shall we stay in Sacramento?"
wait what?? when was this ?? link?? that is huge news if true
Fireplug
Bench
It is in this interview.
Wasn't able to get this to embed, but it is worth a watch if you have or haven't seen it: http://video.forbes.com/fvn/sportsmoney/yes-sportsmoney-sacramento-kings
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Gavin said in an interview with Forbes that if they are deciding to do something, if any of the 5 vote no, then they don't do that something.
I guess our best chance then is that they word the vote, "Shall we move to Anaheim?" rather than, "Shall we stay in Sacramento?"
So clearly we only need ot blackmail ONE of the Maloofs with a picture of him/her and a sheep. Much more attainable.
PurpleHaze
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What if one or more of the Maloofs who may be undecided simply abstains or just votes present? Kind of like all those numerous "present" votes that Obama made as a State Senator. I personally would not put much stock in what may or may not happen with their family vote since they surely would manage and manipulate it to best PR advantage.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Samueli wanted a minority interest in this team. I see him as something of a wolf in sheep's clothing. His ultimate goal could very likely to be gaining majority control of the team. He already has control of the Ducks and the HC. He wants an NBA team in there to fill dates. The bldg is under-utilized. The Maloofs better be careful who they get into bed with.
Possibility I guess, but not realistic with this group. They all have opinions and let them be known. I don't see any of them just sitting back and not voting.
Section 101
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I just thought about something. You have the Lakers/clippers/Hockey Kings all playing in Staples. I just looked at the schedule and pretty much about 80% has one of those teams playing. The Lakers just signed like a $30 mil/year TV contract for their own network. The cable and public TV stations must realize too that the primary advertisers will be on the Lakers network for Lakers games. They arent going to fork out money for time slots against the Lakers then you have the Clips and LA Kings at staples on the other nights as estabished products that they would be competing against.
ParniValjak
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Thats theory is truly clutching at straws. Its a HUGE market that Maloofs are considering and truth be told, if they still are the least favourite team in that market, financially they would still be significantly better off than they would be in Sacramento. Thats the bottom line unfortunately. All these things we come up with are insignificant. There will ALWAYS be companies willing to advertise and there will ALWAYS be advertising revenue in that region. Its a gold mine in more way than one. Sure there is some risk there but just by relocating the team to Anaheim would increase its value significantly.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
An increase in value is of little use unless you sell.
Section 101
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Sorry, but its not in infinate number of advertising dollars. And the advertising money market is shrinking not growing. I also forgot to add there is a good chance an NFL team moves there too. That would be another team they would be behind.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I have always wondered why NFL has not been successful in SoCal and if that gets factored in when planning to add a 3rd NBA team. Do people know why NFL football fails and three NBA basketball teams are expected to be a success? It seems like many of the arguments supporting an Anaheim NBA team should also apply to NFL football but quite obviously there is something going on in the area that is different that I would predict. The success of two hockey teams seems odd to me also.
Hockey is king in Minnesota yet the area only supports one hockey team.
I'd like to hear something more sophisticated than saying the NFL teams have had bad ownership. If you listen to a majority of the citizens of Sacto, the Maloofs are bad and it isn't a very objective concept.
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BTW, Kevin McHale started as a hockey goalie until he outgrew the cage. So the story goes. He's a northern Minnesotan and that's the original home of high school Minnesota hockey - outdoors.
Hockey is king in Minnesota yet the area only supports one hockey team.
I'd like to hear something more sophisticated than saying the NFL teams have had bad ownership. If you listen to a majority of the citizens of Sacto, the Maloofs are bad and it isn't a very objective concept.
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BTW, Kevin McHale started as a hockey goalie until he outgrew the cage. So the story goes. He's a northern Minnesotan and that's the original home of high school Minnesota hockey - outdoors.
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Section 101
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The football stadium. There are plans to build a new one now. It's only taken 16 years to get a new one planned. Hint Hint Sacramento.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...s-farmers-insurance-puts-name-on-stadium.html
Oh, this article says they want 2 NFL teams.
kupman
Starter
Exactly. The stadium issue is a California issue, not just a Sacramento issue. They are very difficult to build in this state with the laws that are in place. At least the biggest metro areas have the corporate presence to make a new stadium a possibility. It is very difficult to do, but at least it is possible, unlike what we have here.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
My question is a tough one, isn't it? The Maloofs want to move into the Honda Center which will need to be replaced or renovated sooner rather than later. So it's easier than here. Is that what the Maloofs expect?
It's painted by some as heaven for the Maloofs and I don't see it. There will be the same problem with needing an arena but a different group of people to bicker with.
Anyway, why can the area support three NBA teams and no NFL teams?
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
One thing I know, is that the Bee is not helping the situation at all. Read a couple new articles this morning, and it now seems all their writers are putting out hit pieces against the Maloofs, while ignoring the real problem. How about using some of the energy directed at railing against the Maloofs to call out the city council, or explaining clearly why an arena would help the area and local economy?
The Bee is making this all about the maloofs, and putting the blame squarely on their shoulders. Not only is the Bee off in it's analysis, but it's only making the problem worse.
The Bee is making this all about the maloofs, and putting the blame squarely on their shoulders. Not only is the Bee off in it's analysis, but it's only making the problem worse.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I read what was in the Bee this morning and you are absolutely correct. It is like their venom for the Maloofs is increasing. THIS IS SACRAMENTO! They represent the mind set of a lot of the citizens here. They INFLUENCE the mind set of Sacramento. Piece together what Johnson has done the last couple days and what the Bee is writing and tell me why the Maloofs would want to stay here. One stupid damn paper with a diminishing readership is all they are but it is consistent with the other people willing to speak their mind. The message gets sent over and over.
Does anyone care enough to write to the Bee and object? Of course not. We think we have no impact. I frankly think that is bull**** and have written AGAIN to the mayor's office and to the city council. It may do nothing but I don't want there to be the idea that we all agree with the Bee. I don't agree and I want the people that can do something to understand that.
Soembody wantded a firey leader to get something done. I'm hot. I'm mad. I'm motivated. I have ideas. And the smallest of the smallest part of this forum agrees with me. Everybody is willing to sit on their hands and pontificate to each other. Why not pontificate to the mayor and city council? Same words, different place. I am disgusted with the people here for thinking they have no power. That's bull. On a grand and very different scale, the puny people overthrew the government of Egypt., Many years ago the same happened in the Philippines. It happened in Tunisia. People have power. We have power.
People will listen to us because their butts are whre they are because of us. If you are a skeptic, give it a try and see what happens. Do an experiment in people power.
I want to hear some day, "dang, we were ready to leave but the people at KingsFans.com changed our minds" or at least bought the city another year to piddle around with.
So damn passive. It's disgusting.
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I have addressed this elsewhere, in part. The NBA and NHL is often attended by corporate types and customers, rather than just fans. The NFL is an event and I think you see a lot more hard core fans showing up for that event. Obviously, there is a huge corporate presence in So.Cal. sending in their clients, customers, and buying suites, club seats, and season tickets. I know people that distribute tickets to their customers and clients all the time. Kind of reduces avidity in the arena, but that is another issue. As for the NFL, a lot of people in So.Cal., myself included, are transplants and have loyalties elsewhere. The avidity for the Raiders and Rams wasn't as high as it could have been or should have been. The Raiders were largely seen as a "ghetto" team and no one really cared about the Rams. Plus they moved from L.A. to OC and I am not sure that was helpful overall. Then you can compound all of this with the current stadium issues. The Big A was reconfigured to all baseball for the Angels. The Coliseum has had issue with the historical types. Pasadena doesn't want an additional 10 games in the city (8 reg +2 preseason), in addition to the UCLA games and the Rose Bowl game. There is a landfill in Carson that was considered for awhile. Also, Anaheim got in the act with a possible downtown OC thing. That didn't pan out.
When it comes to the NFL, the L.A. market is a difficult market. If you build a new stadium on new land, you have to ask yourself if that is the best use of the land given the population density. A lot of people think it is not, especially when it comes to return on that land in the form of rents and taxes. All of these factors have conspired to keep the NFL out of the L.A./OC market for the last 16 years.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
So in short corporate types don't use football tickets as a reward for their workers or as a gift to people they are doing business as much as they would use NBA tickets and the stadium would take up too much room. I don't understand that but I'll accept your word. I sure know different areas have different needs and desires.
I would have to assume that there is so much demand for NBA tickets that a third team, even one with a reputation of being a loser especially in LA, would fit in nicely. If the corporate demand for tickets wasn't high, the Maloofs would be making a mistake because that is exactly the way it is in Sacramento.
I would have to assume that there is so much demand for NBA tickets that a third team, even one with a reputation of being a loser especially in LA, would fit in nicely. If the corporate demand for tickets wasn't high, the Maloofs would be making a mistake because that is exactly the way it is in Sacramento.
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I didn't mean to say there was no corporate types at NFL games. The suites are dominated by them. In fact, that's pretty much all there is up there. And suites at NFL stadiums are numerous. Think 150-200 of them. I was talking about everyday attendance in the seats. In the NFL, most people sitting in the seats are just regular fans of the team. I think there is more corporate action in the seats in NBA venues as a percentage of total attendance than in the NFL.
The deal with the Kings in Anaheim is that it is OC. The OC businesses will jump on that. I am not sure that the Clippers would be the 2nd team in the area. They could fall to the 3rd. Any OC peeps who go watch the Clippers, would almost immediately change.
Section 101
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Then they arent very loyal fans in the first place. They are fair weather fans and not reliable.
If a football or baseball team ever moved to sacramento I would not switch to them as my team. The only way I would consider rooting for them would be an expansion team, but my baseball and football teams are set for life.
Uncia03
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I was talking to a die-hard Laker fan at work on Friday.
I came into work wearing one of my King's hoodies (my typical Friday attire) and he stopped me to talk about the potential move to Anaheim.
During our conversation I told him that I had yet to meet a single Clipper fan since moving into the area. After a moment of thought, he responded saying that he couldn't think of a single person that he knew that was a Clipper fan either. In fact he laughed, saying that he knew more Sacramento Kings fans in the area than LA Clipper fans.
There aren't any corporate sponsers in the area that give out Clipper tickets, because it's not feasible to get to Staples from the area. (I have gotten corporate seats for both Angel and Ducks games) In that same vein, there really aren't any OC peeps who go to see Clipper games for the same reason.
If the team moves to Anaheim, the corporations will be all over the situation to pick up seats.
You can watch the Clipper games on TV, and it's unfortnate because tomorrow's game I'm going to have to watch the Clipper broadcast for this critically important game with the Clippers.
I hope that I'll be able to find some video online on what's going on with the King's broadcast regarding the arena, because I won't be hearing it on the Clipper Broadcast, and it's blacked out for me on League Pass.
Well, I am sure there will be planty of reports here. I haven't looked at the schedule yet, but if they are on the regional CSN, I should be able to pick up that pre-game on DTV. Not sure how much they will actually discuss this, though. Probably would hear more by listening to sac sports radio via the net. Also, you might actually get more talk about it from Ralph Lawler and his side-kick. They love to talk about this kind of stuff, although they (and the Clippers) might not like talking about this particular situation because of the proximity of Anaheim.
Still, someone from the NBA might have told Sterling he could have had the OC all to himself had he moved to the Pond about 15 years ago. He passed. Hard for him to complain now. But Sterling doesn't care about that. He is happy owning a team that no one cares about with "Los Angeles" on the jersey. Dude's an idiot.
And I agree with you that no one in OC gives two poops about the Clippers. If he had moved to Anaheim, he may have been able to make partial in-roads back into SD County. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe not. I do know some people in SD that drive up for Ducks games periodically. But yeah, no Clip fans here. If the Kings show up, the corporate types will get the tickets and suites. Well, there will be a deal where suite-holding involves Ducks/Kings and the other events. The price will go up, probably dramatically, and a revenue share would have to be worked out between Samueli and the Maloofs on that. It is really an "unholy" matrimony.
We'll see. Still the OC NBA franchise would become #2 in the area because of the fan-base and the better product. Any success the Clips have is always temporal and very short. They are the worst run org in the NBA.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Its starting to tick me off so you can imagine what its doing to the Maloofs!
If anything, the behaviour of KJ and the articles in the Bee in the last couple of days would push them away even further. If they were 50-50 on the move to Anaheim, this sort of bull**** would make up their mind to take their team out of Sacramento.
The pea brained mentality ****s me to tears!
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I hear you, but the mainstream media sucks. The Bee is looking to sell papers, and they will with th is going on. It took me awhile to get through all the articles today. I posted a couple of opinions in their forum as there was discussion of three possibilities: get new owners and new franchise; why the team should go; and why the team should stay. Geez, come on, man. I'd like to see more positive energy until it the issue is decided, even if unofficially.