Luis Flores Actually Coming?

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This was the leading blurb this morning (09/13) on Probasketballnews.com:

Sacramento is close to signing guard Luis Flores, sources close to the situation have indicated. Flores worked out for the Kings on Saturday and a deal is expected to be finalized wthin the next day or two. Flores is a 6-foot-1 guard who played 16 games as an NBA rookie last season -- 15 with Golden State and one with Denver. He averaged 2.2 points and 0.7 assists.

http://probasketballnews.com/pbnotebook_0826.html


Have no idea what we'd do with yet another poor man's Iverson type, but we seem to be stocking up.
 
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The first thing I checked was his height, hoping a backup for 3-4 positions. What's GP's intention, is he going to be included in a package deal or one of the guards?
 
The only reason I could think that GP would get him is for his main plan. I'm just not convinced that he's done yet. Maybe he is going to trade half the roster for KG.;)
 
I would say that GP has a master plan and this is just one piece to that plan. No one actually knows what the plan is except probably the Maloofs. Stay tuned for further information as it become available. :D
 
Could be he's for the outside shooting we lack off the bench at the guard spots? If mainly so, that's cool, gives us more balance.

Or part of a trade. But I don't know...
 
loopymitch said:
The only reason I could think that GP would get him is for his main plan. I'm just not convinced that he's done yet. Maybe he is going to trade half the roster for KG.;)
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Brad, Peja, Kenny and Kevin for KG and Kandi might be the rare trade where both teams actually get better and would put us in serious title contention. ;)

However, more likely it looks like maybe Geoff is fishing through the bottom of the barrel looking for a new Bobby? That's tough though -- Bobby was damn near unique int he NBA, and 95% of all undersized shoot first combo guards like that nromally bomb straight out of the league. Have to be really elite to make any sort of impact (or at least a positive one). Guess we can just stash them in the NBDL and see what happens. On paper though, still looks like the hole to fill is up front.
 
In any case, seeing as Flores barely touched the floor last year (77 total minutes in 16 games), there is not much to go on. So in the absence of other evidence, I hereby present to you my ultra-scientific per 48 min analysis of Luis Flores so that we can witness Geoff's true genius:

-- Per 48 Luis averaged a nifty 21.8pts on .483 shooting, 50% three point shooting, and 100% free throw shooting! He also chipped in with a nice 6.9 ast/48, although the rebounding left something to be desired at only 1.9/per 48. And unfortunately he also countered those numbers with his 6.9 TO/48 and 5.8 fl/48, but you can't have everything.

-- and the best part is that he got stronger as the year went on! Post All-Star break Luis poured it on with a staggering 36.0pts/48 and starting ripping down boards at 12.0 rebs/per48. Of course the scoring explosion did mean that he quit passing so much and unfortunately he had 0.0 ast/48 after the break. However, I have a suspicion that may have had something to do with him actually only playing in 1 game for 4 minutes post All-Star, so perhaps it can be excused. The other numbers he put up in those 4 minutes are exciting though!

-- DEFENSE: we will also have to watch for Luis's defensive intensity -- in December, he averaged a very respectable 2.67 stl/48. Unfortunately, those were the last steals he recorded on the season, and he was at 0.0 for the remaining 2/3 of his games.

-- PASSING: it also looks like Luis has the makings of a true pure PG if he wants to be -- after all in January he decided to experiment with being pass first and recorded an amazing 13.2 ast/per 48! Of course, on the other hand he coupled that with an equally amazing 9.6 TO/per 48, so maybe he can be our new Mateen. His followup work in February when he dropped down to 4.0 ast/per 48 but soared to 12.0 TO/per 48 was unacceptable however.

-- BY TEAM: Luis showed his Hall of Fame potential last year in completely crushing the Denver Nuggets. He can be our designated Nuggets killer, having averaged a remarkable 54.9 pts/per 48 against them last year, while also finding time to dish out 6.9 ast/per 48 (and his customary 6.9 TO/per 48 just to keep it balanced). The Nuggets were so impressed they picked him up when the Warriors mysteriously released this unsung All-Star. On the other hand I'm not sure he is quite ready to take on the elite teams, as he managed to average 0-12 FGs per 48 against the Suns, along with a disastrous 24.0 TO/per 48. He almost matched that against the Spurs, going 0-16 FG per 48 against them, but partially redeemed himself there with a 16.0 reb/48 average. Finally however, the best news for us is that against the Lakers Luis morphs into Magic Johnson reincarnated, not only pouring in 24.0 pts/per 48, but also dishing out an amazing 24.0 ast/per 48. But the biggest difficulty against L.A. appears to be just keeping him on the court, as he also managed to average 24.0 fls/per 48 against the Lakeshow (doubtless a sign of incredible defensive intensity however).
 
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I know that Price is supposed to have a guaranteed deal, but Flores could be a training camp signee and they could duke it out for the third point guard spot with one going to the development league.
 
Bricklayer obviously has to much time on his hands.


Anyway, why Flores instead of just resigning House??? Seems to be the same type of player and House played pretty well the second half of the season and at least has alot more NBA experience.
 
impressive for his short career, but I haven't sold yet. TO prone & inconsistent... that almost eclipses his offense. Looks like TO is the only thing he can be consistent at. The only excuse is he barely touched the floor. If he's here to stay, then GP found something in him you'd overlooked or he sees him as a new Bobby as you said...
 
My theory...or my hope:

GP is now reaching out for the bottom of the barrel and offering non-guaranteed contracts. We could use a few more bodies in training camp. There are guys who will begin to panic as we get later and later in TDOS. This means they will worry that they won't be playing in the NBA next year and will take non-guaranteed contracts in hopes that they can prove their greatness and value to a team in training camp.
 
But stocking up for what? There are a number of teams out there still looking for PGs but do they have anything the Kings want? Or is it so Flores and Cisco can dialog in spanish to confuse the other teams? I mean, Peja and Vlade did that in Serbian :D

I agree with those previous threads that suspect a package trade. Or is Flores the PG designate for the Albuquerque NBADL team? This is only his second year in league. Nothing else makes sense.
 
LOL, yes nothing makes sense except the other teams would need a codebreaker if we sign Flores...
 
CruzDude said:
But stocking up for what? There are a number of teams out there still looking for PGs but do they have anything the Kings want? Or is it so Flores and Cisco can dialog in spanish to confuse the other teams? I mean, Peja and Vlade did that in Serbian :D

I agree with those previous threads that suspect a package trade. Or is Flores the PG designate for the Albuquerque NBADL team? This is only his second year in league. Nothing else makes sense.
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Yes, sure those two would have a lot of sneaky in game stuff to talk about:

Cisco: ¿Cómo su silla es?
Flores: Cómodo, Gracias. ¿Cómo suyo es?
Cisco: Muy Cómodo. ¿Piensas que jugaremos hoy?
Flores: No una oportunidad.

:D
 
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it's just maybe GP is trying to do what the Spurs did...Finding talents out of the "box". just can't imagine how TParker and Manu are doing now not to mention they now have Oberto.
 
Thing is, all these talks about these being moves in support of a larger combo trade don't really make sense when you consider the players involved.

Very rarely do you see NBA teams sign somebody and then trade them the same offseason -- there is a waiting period on traded players, and you get the feeling that it would be considered rude with FAs -- either you want me or not, but you don't trick me into signing and then use me as trade bait before I've even hit the floor. And so this offseason we have now signed three smallish PG types -- Hart, Price and apparently Flores. And really none of them look to be starter types. So would the combo deal then somehow involve Bibby? But if it did, we couldn't possibly be signing the Prices and Floreses of the world to replace Mike could we??? :eek: We better get back a heck of a player, or a decent starting PG thrown into the deal to make it work. Maybe we could be calling either Price or Flores an OG, since that is really what their games are whatever their size. But there again it would be rare to trade for Bonzi and then retrade him in one offseason, and rare to trade your draft pick (Cisco) this late in the summer. Not impossible, but rare. So that would mean Kevin? And you are going to replace him with a 6'1" guy barely clinging in the league?

Seems more likely that we are collecting these guys to stash in the NBDL and hope one turns into Bobby, or maybe just into a Delk type player. They can shoot. What more could you want? ;)
 
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Bricklayer said:
In any case, seeing as Flores barely touched the floor last year (77 total minutes in 16 games), there is not much to go on. So in the absence of other evidence, I hereby present to you my ultra-scientific per 48 min analysis of Luis Flores so that we can witness Geoff's true genius:

-- Per 48 Luis averaged a nifty 21.8pts on .483 shooting, 50% three point shooting, and 100% free throw shooting! He also chipped in with a nice 6.9 ast/48, although the rebounding left something to be desired at only 1.9/per 48. And unfortunately he also countered those numbers with his 6.9 TO/48 and 5.8 fl/48, but you can't have everything.

-- and the best part is that he got stronger as the year went on! Post All-Star break Luis poured it on with a staggering 36.0pts/48 and starting ripping down boards at 12.0 rebs/per48. Of course the scoring explosion did mean that he quit passing so much and unfortunately he had 0.0 ast/48 after the break. However, I have a suspicion that may have had something to do with him actually only playing in 1 game for 4 minutes post All-Star, so perhaps it can be excused. The other numbers he put up in those 4 minutes are exciting though!

-- DEFENSE: we will also have to watch for Luis's defensive intensity -- in December, he averaged a very respectable 2.67 stl/48. Unfortunately, those were the last steals he recorded on the season, and he was at 0.0 for the remaining 2/3 of his games.

-- PASSING: it also looks like Luis has the makings of a true pure PG if he wants to be -- after all in January he decided to experiment with being pass first and recorded an amazing 13.2 ast/per 48! Of course, on the other hand he coupled that with an equally amazing 9.6 TO/per 48, so maybe he can be our new Mateen. His followup work in February when he dropped down to 4.0 ast/per 48 but soared to 12.0 TO/per 48 was unacceptable however.

-- BY TEAM: Luis showed his Hall of Fame potential last year in completely crushing the Denver Nuggets. He can be our designated Nuggets killer, having averaged a remarkable 54.9 pts/per 48 against them last year, while also finding time to dish out 6.9 ast/per 48 (and his customary 6.9 TO/per 48 just to keep it balanced). The Nuggets were so impressed they picked him up when the Warriors mysteriously released this unsung All-Star. On the other hand I'm not sure he is quite ready to take on the elite teams, as he managed to average 0-12 FGs per 48 against the Suns, along with a disastrous 24.0 TO/per 48. He almost matched that against the Spurs, going 0-16 FG per 48 against them, but partially redeemed himself there with a 16.0 reb/48 average. Finally however, the best news for us is that against the Lakers Luis morphs into Magic Johnson reincarnated, not only pouring in 24.0 pts/per 48, but also dishing out an amazing 24.0 ast/per 48. But the biggest difficulty against L.A. appears to be just keeping him on the court, as he also managed to average 24.0 fls/per 48 against the Lakeshow (doubtless a sign of incredible defensive intensity however).
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Brick, tell me what you are smoking. I want some!
 
CruzDude said:
But stocking up for what? There are a number of teams out there still looking for PGs but do they have anything the Kings want? Or is it so Flores and Cisco can dialog in spanish to confuse the other teams? I mean, Peja and Vlade did that in Serbian :D

I agree with those previous threads that suspect a package trade. Or is Flores the PG designate for the Albuquerque NBADL team? This is only his second year in league. Nothing else makes sense.
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No its Petrie's "buddy, buddy" system. For every guy he signs, he signs someone else whos a friend, family, country-mate, college-mate, etc. See Peja/Vlade, Bibby/House, Miller/Ostertag, and SAR/Sampson (CAL). :\
 
Bricklayer said:
Thing is, all these talks about these being moves in support of a larger combo trade don't really make sense when you consider the players involved.

Very rarely do you see NBA teams sign somebody and then trade them the same offseason -- there is a waiting period on traded players, and you get the feeling that it would be considered rude with FAs -- either you want me or not, but you don't trick me into signing and then use me as trade bait before I've even hit the floor. And so this offseason we have now signed three smallish PG types -- Hart, Price and apparently Flores. And really none of them look to be starter types. So would the combo deal then somehow involve Bibby? But if it did, we couldn't possibly be signing the Prices and Floreses of the world to replace Mike could we??? :eek: We beeter get back a heck of a plyer, or a PG thrown into the deal to make it work. Maybe we could be calling either Price or Flores an OG, since that is really what their games are whatever their size. But there again it would be rare to trade for Bonzi and then retrade him in one offseason, and rare to trade your draft pick (Cisco) this late in the summer. Not impossible, but rare. So that would mean Kevin? And you are going to replace him with a 6'1" guy barely clinging in the league?

Seems more likely that we are collecting these guys to stash in the NBDL and hope one turns into Bobby, or maybe just into a Delk type player. They can shoot. What more could you want? ;)
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Wasn't there a Bibby for Pierce talk a while back? How about Bibby for Chandler? Do the Bulls or Celtics need a PG?
 
Bricklayer said:
However, more likely it looks like maybe Geoff is fishing through the bottom of the barrel looking for a new Bobby? That's tough though -- Bobby was damn near unique int he NBA, and 95% of all undersized shoot first combo guards like that nromally bomb straight out of the league. Have to be really elite to make any sort of impact (or at least a positive one). Guess we can just stash them in the NBDL and see what happens. On paper though, still looks like the hole to fill is up front.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I don't think there's any great plan here, just the yearly camp fodder. I doubt his contract is even guaranteed.
 
This guy will likely meet the same fate as Bluthenthal, except we may retain his rights in the NBDL. We'll see.

The Bulls and Celtics are well stocked in PGs, so if there was to be a Bibby move (God forbid) those two teams don't appear likely.
 
I'm ever more convinced we are going to be saying goodbye to Bibby. I don't know why, or who for, but just had this feeling in the beginning of the off-season.
 
Were not going to trade our Star, Leader & Starting point guard.. It's just not going to happen.. If we want to win anything were going to need Bibby...
 
Flores would be nice to have incase Bibby goes down.... Ronnie wont be ready yet to fill that role if needed.. Flores played very well in FIBA tournament averaging 17 pts, 3 ast, 91 % Free Throw, 3rd highest 3 point percentage (50 %) (15-30) and a good 30 Mins a game.. Will be nice to pick him up..


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4382


^
Heres the link to his College numbers too
 
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Might be an injury move. But hasn't Bibby been rock solid in terms of injury? The most injured in my mind was Brad and Peja. I don't get it. Bah! Got better things to think about...like the stomach is actually on the left side of the body, and not middle...ok I just discovered that, so Ill think about that one for a sec. :E
 
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