Loren Woods

[Sptsjunkie]

Point being, players have negative qualities...Pointing them out doesnt make you any less of a fan...Being a pessimist doesn't make you any less of a fan.

And for all their chronicled negatives, each (most) player has some positives to go with them.

I completley agree. I think Brick is one of the biggest Kings fans here. Is he negative? Yes. However, he's only so harsh because he cares. He's obviously not a troll who likes another team, so if he was only a so-so fan, he'd just be indifferent at this point. He's passionate because he cares.

I am a huge Kings fan (bleed purple and black), but I honestly believe that Brick is just as big of a fan as I am. Being a fan does not mean being blindly loyal.

The main areas where Brick and I disagree on is in player evaluation (huge variance between everyone on the board), Petrie's genius (subjective), and expectations. Expectations-wise, I see us as progressing well for a rebuilding franchise. Brick one the other hand, is mad that our team made some questionable moves and is not still a dynasty. This does not mean he isn't a fan, it just means that he disagrees. Isn't that what this message board is all about. If we all shared the same opinion, the board would be boring.

My main issue with Brick is that I feel he sometimes goes for personal attacks (e.g. you have your head between your you know what, or you foolishly worship at the house of Petrie) instead of making his usual factual/statistical backed arguments. If he stuck to the debates, I'd have no problem with him whatsoever. Just like in business, I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of "yes men." People are entitled to their own opinions and true wisdom comes from dissenting opinions, not mindless agreement.

 

[SacTownKid]

Just a question so I understand more. But what players were wasted on the bench? I am assuming TAG? Skinner? but this goes for pretty much any of them. So my question is do you think playing these bench players would have yielded us better results in the end? Meaning not being bounced early in the playoffs.

It would have helped and it often did when they were in and given consistent minutes. Also if nothing else it could have given Brad a little time to rest.

When you look at a team that was playing ZERO defense (pre-Ron that is) and there was a complete open 4 lane highway to the basket at all times, I would figure you would put in a guy that could help in that area. That was the reason Tag was brought to the team 2 years ago, and why Loren is now. The Tag issue is a dead horse and my opinion on the matter is well documented.

I don't know if they would have helped from us being bounced early, but they could have helped in my opinion. Tag moreso than Brian.

 

[Bricklayer]

Slab i understand nothing wrong with pointing out the bad parts. But just once every 10 years or so lets say hey that guy is going to do exactly what we need him to do. i mean if i went in every year thinking there is noway we are making the playoffs why in the hell would i watch. Just to bash? eh anyway maybe its just me i just don't see me as a fan constanly looking at the bad in everybody and not thinking we could be a great team.

You know Entity, my orignal response to this looked a little different, but I frankly decided that a critique coming from you of all people is pretty much a compliment in my book. I have no more use for a so called "fan" who apparently would not be so if he couldn't delude himself into believing his team will win a title every year than you do for one who is going to admit that his own team's **** often stinks.

P.S. As an aside, next time you decide to post a pissy little rant, at least get your bleeping facts straight. Bruised as I'm sure poor little you are by the negativity around here, you repeatedly conflate other people's schticks with my own and then attribute them all to me. NBrans is the Bibby can't play defense guy. I'm the Bibby can't play defense but we've got bigger issues guy.

 

[Jerryaki]

I am sorry but Hedo, Jim, Scot were not this awesome bench that got us far in the playoffs.

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look at the arguments we're getting into! man...offseason ****ing sucks.

 

[Kings113]

Loren Woods is the man of the damn month! Everyone's glitzing, awing, and wondering.

 

[bajaden]

Truth

I'm not gonna speak for Brick, but thats very disrespectful first of all, Brick is breaking down things "Objectively". what makes you think just because hes telling the truth makes him less of a Kings fan?

First of all, I wouldn't use the word " Objectively " so loosely. For someone to be objective on this fourm they would have to have no vested interest in the outcome of the Kings season. I don't think any of us could say that. Truth is in the eye of the beholder unless your talking about the bible. Bricky see things from a different prospective than I do. Doesn't make him wrong and it doesn't make him right. Were all just speculating with the info we have, and we all consume it differently. One thing I'am sure of though, is that if Brick's has a negative opinion about a player, there is no one who wants that opinion to be wrong more than him. Well, maybe me. Anyway, I would never challenge his loyality as a fan. Just his opinion once in a while.

 

[SacTownKid]

It always easiest to take the cynical approach. When you are right you can say, "I told you so!" When you're wrong you can say "Boy, good thing I was wrong!"

 

[Entity]

Poor Loren.

 

[Kings113]

Poor back-up C on a one-year 950K deal who is coming into a different situation, and likely his last.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/woodslo01.html

Check this out... we need a rebounder and a shot blocker... when he gets minutes he averages 11+ rebounds and 2.5 blocks. He is a great pick up. He isnt going to be some all star but for 1 mil he is what we needed. Lets see if he can get a chance to play his game for us.

 

[uolj]

The point has already been made a bunch of times, but the Kings need a rebounder and shotblocker who is good enough to play major minutes on a contending team, not one who can barely crack the lineup on a lottery team. It's not a bad deal for such a small salary, but Loren Woods is not what the Kings needed.

 

[Kings113]

He could help in what we need, but not be the "answer". The "answer(s)" we couldn't get this summer for obvious reasons. Simple as that.

Have to rely on trades now until the deadline, and when he makes the team, Justin Williams to develop.

 

[kennadog]

Maybe its been mentioned, but I don't have time right now. Friday, Grant said that only a very small part of Woods contract is guaranteed and that he still has to make the team in training camp. Did anyone else hear that or hear it somewhere else?

 

[Kings113]

I don't care. Woods rules everyone.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would be surprised if Loren's contract wasn't fully guaranteed.

 

[Rome]

I would be surprised if Loren's contract wasn't fully guaranteed.

I woudn't. Kid still has to prove him self just like the other guys on the team. with the he way he he's developing, its like he's still a rookie.

 

[Mika]

Wood´s statistics of last 8 games, last season.

 

[Sac.Kings]

he does solid when he gets minutes.

 

[Gary]

Yah but so did Brian Skinner.

At least this guy is 7'+