Loren Woods cut

[Widowmaker2k]

That's definitely a potential scenario. Mo has sucked too of course, so that's another possible. Either way, the Woods cut actually saved us $900,000 this season, but Hart and maybe Mo (if that was guaranteed) are people we actually have to pay regardless, so be interesting to see if we are actually willing to eat those contracts (not to menion lose thme as minor trading pieces). Also interesting to see if the Bibby injury changes our thinking any about Hart -- we've got Salmons, and so might give him a shot, but hard to imagine that impresive camp or not we want to trot Ronnie Price out there as our starting PG for the first few weeks.

I wonder too if this will affect Harts chances. The next few games of the pre-season will be telling as to how we will handle the backup PG spot. Ronnie really has made the best case so far in pre-season, but is it just a fluke? Obviously the coaches have seen something in him all along, and one of the assistant coaches last night said they thought he would be an excellent backup PG. The fact remains that he's never gotten big NBA minutes, let alone started, he's still very much a rookie.

 

[Troy]

I wonder too if this will affect Harts chances. The next few games of the pre-season will be telling as to how we will handle the backup PG spot. Ronnie really has made the best case so far in pre-season, but is it just a fluke? Obviously the coaches have seen something in him all along, and one of the assistant coaches last night said they thought he would be an excellent backup PG. The fact remains that he's never gotten big NBA minutes, let alone started, he's still very much a rookie.

It's his time to shine, Douby is what Price was last year (needing some time to develop). Price is a very athletic PG that would be great as a 2nd option to Bibby, Salmons could also back up Bibby, but I see him backing up Kmart more, although Salmons creates a nice mis match due to being 6' 6" at PG. Garcia can also bring up the ball as can Artest so we have a nice 1-3 posistion, it's always been about the 4 & 5 spot...well as least lately.

While Bibby will be missed, hopefully he recovers quick and doesn't miss much of the regular season. We can take this as a chance to see more Price, Douby, and Salmons, hopefully not Hart. While I don't necessarily hate Hart, he still gives a lot more effort than Mr. Potato who I dispise just sitting around getting a pay check. Hart is a decent defender, with the emergence of Price and Douby learning to be a combo guard, and Garcia and Artest being able to bring up the ball and Salmons being able to cover 1-3, there is no need for him. He does get $1.6M this year so it will be interesting if we feel that the youngins are valuable enough to eat the $1.6M. Hopefully we can trade Hart for some draft pick and move on, Potato as well, but teams aren't exactly lining up for his services, well at least not the NBA, maybe as a bouncer/body guard.


It's a shame we didn't play Woods even just a little bit in the preseason, it seems that Williams and/or Amundson really showed him up as now 1 or both of them will make the team. Just the timing sucks with Bibby going down because it might mean Hart sticks and then one of Williams/Amundson is let go.

If we do keep Amundson and Williams, that will be 4 guys on our 15 man roster that were undrafted. Miller and Price being the other ones, is that a record or something?

Sacrameto is the home to reinvent yourself, from the undrafted to the guys with bad attitudes....we are a place of 2nd chances!!!

 

[SLAB]

I really hope this does nothing for Hart...And here is what I see the PG depth chart as...Minus the injured Bibby.

1: Salmons
2: Price
3: Artest
4: Garcia
5: Douby
6: Martin
7: Hart

So there is potentially seven players above Hart on this chart...I really hope that Hart's PG status does not save him, because he really does nothing to help the team when he is on the floor.

And what a great showing the preseason from Loren Woods........Silly me believed he wasn't the same player who lost his starting job to Rafeal F'n Arojao and eventually lost all PT on the Toronto freakin Raptors.

 

[bench_blob]

I don't see how an injury to Bibby affects Hart chances to make the team. If you can't play, you can't play. Case in point: Loren Woods. Just because the guy is the rosters' only 7 footer, was he a lock to make the team? Noooooope. Why? Because if you can't play, you can't play.

Clearly, Moosehead, er, Mussleman has more confidence in Ronnie Price and does not mind in the least to swing Garcia, Ron-Ron, or Salmons to a ball handling point position....we have to put our best 9 or 10 players out there and hope there is enough ball-handling and shooting to compensate for the loss of Bibby for a few games.

Posters on this board are too stuck on the idea of a players position, and not enough on "Can a guy help you win?" Jason Hart clearly can't, based on last years performance, and apparently on Moosehead's, er Mussleman's assessment of his performance in training camp.

I also liked what I heard from Maloof in regards to not considering players guaranteed salary in terms of deciding upon the 15-man roster....we will find out soon enough if he was serious.

 

[whozit]

That's definitely a potential scenario. Mo has sucked too of course, so that's another possible. Either way, the Woods cut actually saved us $900,000 this season, but Hart and maybe Mo (if that was guaranteed) are people we actually have to pay regardless, so be interesting to see if we are actually willing to eat those contracts (not to menion lose thme as minor trading pieces). Also interesting to see if the Bibby injury changes our thinking any about Hart -- we've got Salmons, and so might give him a shot, but hard to imagine that impresive camp or not we want to trot Ronnie Price out there as our starting PG for the first few weeks.

I think the reports were that his contract was guaranteed. My question would be, if they cut him would the league still pick up their share of the tab or would the Kings get stuck with it?

 

[Troy]

Did Woods at least pass the physical unlike Potato Head? I though something was up when his contract was set up with only X amount being guaranteed. He was more less warm meat 7 footer for the youngins to play against and give themselves some confidence.

 

[Warhawk]

I think the reports were that his contract was guaranteed. My question would be, if they cut him would the league still pick up their share of the tab or would the Kings get stuck with it?

What are you talking about?

 

[nbrans]

What are you talking about?

I think, but I could be wrong, that he's referring to the fact that the league picks up a portion of a veteran minimum's salary so teams won't discriminate between someone who's been in the league a while (and thus would make more at the veteran minimum) than someone who is just coming into the league at the minimum. However I don't know the answer to his question. My guess is that the league still picks up its share of the tab in order to preserve the incentive to sign veterans -- otherwise teams would shy away from signing better guys who have been in the league a while in favor of cheaper youngsters.

 

[moradi420]

What are you talking about?

u dont seem to undersatdn much of what ppl are talking about, no disrespect, but maybe it is u u need the comprhension skill upgrade..friend

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This isn't your cell phone or an AIM chat; use whole words, please.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Also interesting to see if the Bibby injury changes our thinking any about Hart -- we've got Salmons, and so might give him a shot, but hard to imagine that impresive camp or not we want to trot Ronnie Price out there as our starting PG for the first few weeks.

I'll disagree Price has done EVERYTHING required of him and more. He has also stepd up in games (albeit preseason) and done the deal. He earned the trust of the Coach and the BEST thing that Muss can do for him is give him the start. The WORST thing that the organization do to Ronnies confidence is not give him a shot.

I am not a Price jocker but youhave to reocgnize work ethic when you see it and when you have results from it you need to reward that.

 

[Gary]

With only one unproven point guard on the roster (not counting guys that can bring the ball up) we might be in a bit of trouble. So for that reason I think Hart got lucky.

 

[BRad1055]

Here is how I see the roster when everyone is healthy, remeber u can keep 13 players on the active roster now:

pg: bibby, price
sg: martin, salmons, douby
sf: artest, garcia
pf: rahim,thomas, williamson
c: miller, taylor, williams

if they keep the extra three it will be vitaly because of his contract, amundson, hart.

am i missing anyone?

 

[Troy]

With only one unproven point guard on the roster (not counting guys that can bring the ball up) we might be in a bit of trouble. So for that reason I think Hart got lucky.

If Price is a lucky guy and makes the roster than at least get rid of Mr. Potato Head. He cannot pass the physical and is only going to ride the bench as an injured player. I hope we get a draft pick for him, but if not, who cares drop that guy already.

Williams and Amundson show tons of heart and are very hungry. Potato is set to receive his last $3.6M yearly salary and he sure didn't earn it. He is a decent salary dump to trade midseason when some teams realize that they are not going to make the playoffs and want to rebuild further, hopefully we can pack him up with Corliss and K9 and get something of value, not KG but some 4/5 guy.

I much rather have Hart stick then Potato. If we do keep Potato and he actually plays other than garbage time, he is a 6 foul guy, bring him in to knock the opponents around and be the enforcer and play a little goalie and then back to the bench, that's the absolute best case scenario if he stays here be the enforcer and earn his 6 fouls.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

u dont seem to undersatdn much of what ppl are talking about, no disrespect, but maybe it is u u need the comprhension skill upgrade..friend

Once again, no disrespect, but spell check is your friend.

Here is how I see the roster when everyone is healthy, remeber u can keep 13 players on the active roster now:



pg: bibby, price
sg: martin, salmons, douby
sf: artest, garcia
pf: rahim,thomas, williamson
c: miller, taylor, williams

if they keep the extra three it will be vitaly because of his contract, amundson, hart.


am i missing anyone?

This is more of what I expect:
Pg: Bibby, Price, Douby
SG: Martin, Salmons/Garcia
SF: Artest, Garcia/Salmons
PF: Thomas, Rahim, Taylor
C: Miller, Rahim, Taylor

Add in occasional spot minutes for Williamson, Williams/Amundson (assuming only 1 is kept), and that's about it. I doubt we hold on to Jason Hart. I don't really foresee Douby getting much time, but with Bibby out, he could pick up some reserve minutes. He's really too small to be playing SG, but of course, Rahim is too small to be playing C...

 

[BMiller52]

This isn't your cell phone or an AIM chat; use whole words, please.

Yeah, when people type like that it gets real annoying.

 

[kpm308]

I am not a Price jocker but youhave to reocgnize work ethic when you see it and when you have results from it you need to reward that.

I think getting regular minutes in a second unit is a reward for Price. He hasn't ever even played in an nba game other than in garbagetime. I like him as much as anyone, and its obvious that he has beat out Hart and secured himself a spot, but the Kings signed John Salmons primarily to fill the whole we had at back up point guard. I think Price has earned himself some minutes, but it will be better for the team and better for his progression to not stick him out there as a starter and expect him to fit right in.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

If Price is a lucky guy and makes the roster than at least get rid of Mr. Potato Head. He cannot pass the physical and is only going to ride the bench as an injured player. I hope we get a draft pick for him, but if not, who cares drop that guy already.

Williams and Amundson show tons of heart and are very hungry. Potato is set to receive his last $3.6M yearly salary and he sure didn't earn it. He is a decent salary dump to trade midseason when some teams realize that they are not going to make the playoffs and want to rebuild further, hopefully we can pack him up with Corliss and K9 and get something of value, not KG but some 4/5 guy.

I much rather have Hart stick then Potato. If we do keep Potato and he actually plays other than garbage time, he is a 6 foul guy, bring him in to knock the opponents around and be the enforcer and play a little goalie and then back to the bench, that's the absolute best case scenario if he stays here be the enforcer and earn his 6 fouls.

Who's going to want to take our bad 4/5's for a decent 4/5? Expiring contracts or not, value is value, and I doubt any team is going to want 3 of our mediocre/bad 4/5's for 1 good one. It's more likely that to get a good 4/5, we'll have to part ways with some of our talented back court.

 

[mr. moustache]

And you need typing class. Chill out.

u dont seem to undersatdn much of what ppl are talking about, no disrespect, but maybe it is u u need the comprhension skill upgrade..friend

 

[KingDog]

Come on people. Why are you going to pick a guys spelling apart. Have you seen the idiotic NIKE ad on this page? What the hell is 5IVE supposed to mean?
Now I can see picking on a guy for getting out of line and all that. BUT before the spelling war begins. Well.... either make perfect spelling a rule for everyone (and I can name more than a few here who can't spell ) or argue the point it's self instead of retaliating with more insults.
By the way. I am not on the side of either combatant. Just trying to make a point.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

Come on people. Why are you going to pick a guys spelling apart. Have you seen the idiotic NIKE ad on this page? What the hell is 5IVE supposed to mean?
Now I can see picking on a guy for getting out of line and all that. BUT before the spelling war begins. Well.... either make perfect spelling a rule for everyone (and I can name more than a few here who can't spell ) or argue the point it's self instead of retaliating with more insults.
By the way. I am not on the side of either combatant. Just trying to make a point.

I agree, it's not really worth making an issue out of; it's just a little bothersome when you have to decipher what somebody is trying to say, when they could easily take 10 seconds and run it through a spell check...

 

[Bricklayer]

Who's going to want to take our bad 4/5's for a decent 4/5? Expiring contracts or not, value is value, and I doubt any team is going to want 3 of our mediocre/bad 4/5's for 1 good one. It's more likely that to get a good 4/5, we'll have to part ways with some of our talented back court.

Its not "expiring contracts or not", its ALL about the expiring contracts. Just depends on where people think they are:

a) If a team thinks its headed toward the lottery, particularly a disappointing team, it may do something we never have -- clean house to position itself in the FA market and the draft (losing a little more doesn't bother a team in that position).

b) Also, if a team is having chemistry problems with a player, cashing in his contract is not entirely impossible.

c) Particularly in the case of a guy like Corliss, a true contender type might be willing to swap a kid who can't help them much for a guy like Corliss who is proven and could give them a boost over the top.

d) and of course the expiring deals can be aprt of a larger deal -- our $5mil valuable player + 8mil of expiring deals for their $12-$13 mil player for instance.

Expiring contracts can be quite useful, and who/what they are attached to is completely irrelevant. Mateen Cleaves with a $5mil expiring deal is actually a potentially valuable piece.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well too bad Loren didn't get the opprotunity here to perform. I think he could have added something but when Taylor was added you knew he was in trouble because you have to keep the more talented player.

Good luck Loren!

 

[Warhawk]

Come on people. Why are you going to pick a guys spelling apart. Have you seen the idiotic NIKE ad on this page? What the hell is 5IVE supposed to mean?
Now I can see picking on a guy for getting out of line and all that. BUT before the spelling war begins. Well.... either make perfect spelling a rule for everyone (and I can name more than a few here who can't spell ) or argue the point it's self instead of retaliating with more insults.
By the way. I am not on the side of either combatant. Just trying to make a point.

It's their use of shortcuts that makes it hard to read. Spell check doesn't help intentionally misspelling words.

This isn't 6th grade homeroom. Use some kind of language skills and type something people can read. We have people posting here from all over the world, some of which have english as a second language. Show a little maturity and type something out for everyone to read, not just your adolescent "homies" peering at your cell phones during recess.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Thank you God. (Petrie)

 

[BigSong]

Thank you God. (Petrie)

tell me about, i didnt realize that there were players that made Calvin Booth look like a viable option.