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AKA there agents said “you can’t go up from here!”
Yep, probably a 2nd round/bubble 1st round promise to go with it.
AKA there agents said “you can’t go up from here!”
I thoroughly dislike this thread because of the wildly differing opinions. Baja seems to be the only one who can pretty well lock down which players will be something at the next level.
Outside of that, it's always a bunch of armchairs throwing out some seriously random guesses.
I think Keegs is the better vertical athlete, but I really have no clue why he stopped dunking in the NBA. He used to dunk regularly at Iowa... just because he could. Keegan made 63 dunks during his final season while Kris only made 17 dunks this season. Dunking was likely a point of emphasis for Kris' workout to show the NBA guys that he can throw it down.
The biggest difference between Keegan and Kris remains the fact they shoot with opposite hands despite both being left handed but this workout video also kinda highlights more of the differences. Kris is probably a bit better of a vertical athlete (or he's at least a little more willing to slam it than Keegs is) but his shooting stroke while extremely effective doesn't have quite the base that Keegan's does and he's got a little more stiffness in the hips moving to his spots even just in this open court setting. He also remains skinnier than Keegan.
Wow that's quite the shake up from Givony. There goes 90% of the guys we wanted at 37 lol. I still think we're in solid hands with our draft position. Even if our options at #24 end up being: Lively II, Lewis, Jones, Whitehead, or Podz, I'd still be pretty happy.OLIVIER MAXENCE PROSPER IS LISTED AT 31 ON ESPNS BIGBOARD ---- OVER TRAYCE JACKSON DAVIS!!! HA!
The guy who I've been vouching for us to take with the 54th pick for months and months and months, who i barely hear a peep about around here, is now projected higher than the 23 year old many wanna take in the first round!!!
HA! He was definitely barely projected in the top100 when I started mentioning him around here, just cuz I saw so much Marquette, like 20 games, and was a fan of his since recruitment at Clemson.
so many of my favorites trending out of our range but its like there's reinforcements on the way leapfrogging the 2nd round.
Coulibaly trending out of range... up to 21..
Bufkin trending even further out.. up to 17..
Nnaji continues to push higher every update he's now at 23, and he's leapfrogged Dereck Lively, whos now back in range!
Kris Murray stands right at 24 on our pick, quite the coincidence, or is it?
Podziemski trending out of our 2nd rd range, up to 31, he's higher than GG JAckson! ---- Honestly IDK what Givony's been smoking the past few months to have had Terquavion SMith higher, must be outcho mind.
Ben Sheppard at 36!!! could he be in play at 37?!
TRISTAN VUKCEVIC up to 37!!!!!!!!!! He overtakes Durisic and Durisic drops like 15 spots to 59. Julian Phillips is also sitting at 58 --- I think that might speak on if the feeling is those 2 will pull out.
Jordan Walsh leapfrogs up 15+ spots to 41!
Da'Ron Holmes continues to claw his way up every update, now sitting at 49 after a strong combine.
Kalkbrenner drops to 62! Maybe we can get him at 54 or better yet undrafted, for him team fit is gonna matter more than how high the selection is. Zach Edey is marching slowly up the board, he looked good and fluid at the combine though he's at 48 now.
Seth Lundy strong combine looks like a two-way player, he's up to 51.
Zvmonir Ivisic debuts in the top 100 at 76!
Adama Sanogo overtakes Oscar Tshiebwe! even if just by one spot, I've been calling that one for sometime, I simply dont understand why you'd take Tshiebwe over him when Sanogo is shooting the ball like that.
Omari Moore jumps from the 80's to the 60's he's almost in draft range!
Colin Castleton up from 80 to 68!
Chris Livingston makes a huge jump, I think he was in the 90's now he's at 66!
Hunter Tyson cracks the top 60! I did a post many weeks back about a bunch of sleepers and 2 are now projected in range with Tyson and Bobi Klintman.
Keyontae Johnson, Dillon Mitchell and Kobe Brown get leapfrogged by Jalen Wilson! Winner. horrible combine measurements and he moves up because surely all the scouts in attendance were talking how much they liked how he competes.
I'll tell you what if the board plays out like this we're gonna have a chance at a decent wing at 54!
Strawther sitting there at 55 is hilarious, somehow for months and months and months we've been discussing him at higher picks and he keeps falling back to that range on this list.
So really our options we've been going over for months at 37 have mostly been decimated... The quality of the picks at 54 is improving though, but that could change with withdrawals.. k im done gl out there kings fans
I think Keegs is the better vertical athlete, but I really have no clue why he stopped dunking in the NBA. He used to dunk regularly at Iowa... just because he could. Keegan made 63 dunks during his final season while Kris only made 17 dunks this season. Dunking was likely a point of emphasis for Kris' workout to show the NBA guys that he can throw it down.
I remember last year there was an article mentioning that Keegan was the only player in college history to have 60 dunks and 60 made 3pters in the same season. Maybe this Keegan guy is special!
Everyone knows that Keegan is better than his brother, but looking at their advanced stats.. Keegan is significantly better in every single category except assists where Kris barely edges him out.
Keegan:
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https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2022&p=Keegan Murray&t=Iowa
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2023&p=Kris Murray&t=Iowa
His handle is similar to Luka's in terms of style but obviously not as good. I can't believe GM's think Vukcevic is a better prospect it's pure insanity. Other than atm floor spacing Duri is way better than everything else and has the ability to be a top 10-20 steals guy.
Kid’s got really projectable shoulders (if that’s a thing) but why does every single clip of him dribbling in this video look like he’s never touched a basketball in his life before.
Wow that's quite the shake up from Givony. There goes 90% of the guys we wanted at 37 lol. I still think we're in solid hands with our draft position. Even if our options at #24 end up being: Lively II, Lewis, Jones, Whitehead, or Podz, I'd still be pretty happy.
Podz is likely going in the 1st after his strong scrimmage showing.
100%. The fun for me has been comparing myself to the FO to see how I would have done in the same role…Literally everyone has great draft takes and bad draft takes.
I said draft OG 15 over JJ, damn hedging your bet with a "safe" pick.
I also thought Ben McLemore was going to be a star.
I would also point out the Bagley and Papa G picks, but I think everyone can and did call those.
Even a certain someone who thinks his takes are God's gift to basketball has Bouknight as an absolute certified L moment.
Pulling Vukcevic after that stellar scrimmage is a smart play and may help the Kings out, if they are eyeing him at 24. I think he will be gone by the Kings 2nd round pick.
Here's an article on Vukcevic:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-serbias-tristan-vukcevic
As much time that Kings scouts and coaches has spent scouting Sasha in Europe, I wonder if they also had an eye on Vukcevic too. This would give the Kings an advantage in his scouting over teams that just watched the combine game.
Watching the combine scrimmage and scouting video, I think this kid can become a solid stretch 4 in the NBA. He could be a great fit on this Kings team, next to Fox and Sabonis.
His handle is similar to Luka's in terms of style but obviously not as good. I can't believe GM's think Vukcevic is a better prospect it's pure insanity. Other than atm floor spacing Duri is way better than everything else and has the ability to be a top 10-20 steals guy.
Wow that's quite the shake up from Givony. There goes 90% of the guys we wanted at 37 lol. I still think we're in solid hands with our draft position. Even if our options at #24 end up being: Lively II, Lewis, Jones, Whitehead, or Podz, I'd still be pretty happy.
Podz is likely going in the 1st after his strong scrimmage showing.
OLIVIER MAXENCE PROSPER IS LISTED AT 31 ON ESPNS BIGBOARD ---- OVER TRAYCE JACKSON DAVIS!!! HA!
The guy who I've been vouching for us to take with the 54th pick for months and months and months, who i barely hear a peep about around here, is now projected higher than the 23 year old many wanna take in the first round!!!
HA! He was definitely barely projected in the top100 when I started mentioning him around here, just cuz I saw so much Marquette, like 20 games, and was a fan of his since recruitment at Clemson.
so many of my favorites trending out of our range but its like there's reinforcements on the way leapfrogging the 2nd round.
Coulibaly trending out of range... up to 21..
Bufkin trending even further out.. up to 17..
Nnaji continues to push higher every update he's now at 23, and he's leapfrogged Dereck Lively, whos now back in range!
Kris Murray stands right at 24 on our pick, quite the coincidence, or is it?
Podziemski trending out of our 2nd rd range, up to 31, he's higher than GG JAckson! ---- Honestly IDK what Givony's been smoking the past few months to have had Terquavion SMith higher, must be outcho mind.
Ben Sheppard at 36!!! could he be in play at 37?!
TRISTAN VUKCEVIC up to 37!!!!!!!!!! He overtakes Durisic and Durisic drops like 15 spots to 59. Julian Phillips is also sitting at 58 --- I think that might speak on if the feeling is those 2 will pull out.
Jordan Walsh leapfrogs up 15+ spots to 41!
Da'Ron Holmes continues to claw his way up every update, now sitting at 49 after a strong combine.
Kalkbrenner drops to 62! Maybe we can get him at 54 or better yet undrafted, for him team fit is gonna matter more than how high the selection is. Zach Edey is marching slowly up the board, he looked good and fluid at the combine though he's at 48 now.
Seth Lundy strong combine looks like a two-way player, he's up to 51.
Zvmonir Ivisic debuts in the top 100 at 76!
Adama Sanogo overtakes Oscar Tshiebwe! even if just by one spot, I've been calling that one for sometime, I simply dont understand why you'd take Tshiebwe over him when Sanogo is shooting the ball like that.
Omari Moore jumps from the 80's to the 60's he's almost in draft range!
Colin Castleton up from 80 to 68!
Chris Livingston makes a huge jump, I think he was in the 90's now he's at 66!
Hunter Tyson cracks the top 60! I did a post many weeks back about a bunch of sleepers and 2 are now projected in range with Tyson and Bobi Klintman.
Keyontae Johnson, Dillon Mitchell and Kobe Brown get leapfrogged by Jalen Wilson! Winner. horrible combine measurements and he moves up because surely all the scouts in attendance were talking how much they liked how he competes.
I'll tell you what if the board plays out like this we're gonna have a chance at a decent wing at 54!
Strawther sitting there at 55 is hilarious, somehow for months and months and months we've been discussing him at higher picks and he keeps falling back to that range on this list.
So really our options we've been going over for months at 37 have mostly been decimated... The quality of the picks at 54 is improving though, but that could change with withdrawals.. k im done gl out there kings fans
Not trying to pick a fight here, but rather just commenting on a few things you’ve said here that I find rather odd and contradictory.
First, you dislike the thread because there are a variety of different opinions? Or you just feel that, other than Baja, nobody else holds an informed or qualified opinion? If the latter is true, wouldn’t that include yourself?? And if so, you‘re being quite hypocritical in criticizing others.
Secondly, I got news for you — even though Baja seems to immerse himself in college basketball and player analysis more than most on this site, he also is still an “armchair”.
And while I too value his opinion on draft and player related analysis, I also value the opinions of several others I’ve read here over the years. And they offer more than just throwing out random guesses.
How dare you call me an armchair! I'm at least a couch! Just can't get any respect around here...... I'm only wrong half the time.
Yep that a solid group to choose from. Podziemski surprised me with his ability to create for others. He solidly played the part of a PG in that scrimmage. I really like Ben Shepard as well and have hopes that he'll be there at 38. The Kids a baller! This is one of the most talented groups in one class that I've seen in a long time. There's going to be a lot of players that go in the 2nd rd that probably deserve to be in the 1st rd.
reunite Richaun and Tyrese!I wish we had something to trade the Pacers for their 3rd first round pick.
Here's a nice interview with Raphael Barlow, the lead scout for NBA draft, I believe, and Max Lewis after his pro day. It has a commercial by Barlow, but worth the listen.