Looking ahead to the 2022 Draft
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You're right, Bridges is not a comp because I never thought Bridges was 2" shorter than his reported height. He looked like a long-armed 6'8" dude in college, just as he looks in the NBA. Another reason for Bridges not being comparable - he actually had something to hang his hat on - defense. When you looked at him in college he had 3 & D written all over him. Mathurin doesn't really have anything particular to hang his hat on. Is he special at anything? Shooting? No. Defense? No. Rebounding? No. Passing? No. Ball handling? No. He's not bad at any of those things, but he's not special in any one of them either. I'm hopeful Mathurin gets taken before the Kings pick.
yeah, most mocks have both Mathurin and Griffin in our likely range. Both should slot in well as SF’s and Griffin does have the shooting strength that Monte says he’s looking for. I’m kind of keen he’s the pick but also concerned about his injury history and to a lesser extent our poor history with Duke players.
It’s going to be another nail biter draft if we dont move up.
It’s going to be another nail biter draft if we dont move up.
Guess I should be more open about Davis. I see him as a SG without the size to play SF. However as someone here pointed out a couple of this drafts shooting guards are better than any we currently have, and he is a good rebounder for his size.
If the idea is to improve shooting, after trading two of our best, and get Fox and Sabonis a third solid option, then maybe it’s the way to go.
If the idea is to improve shooting, after trading two of our best, and get Fox and Sabonis a third solid option, then maybe it’s the way to go.
This is a draft where I want McNair to not only pick a good player in the 1st round, something he's done in the past, but also hit some gold in the second round. I look at these playoff teams and I see some 2nd round picks that are very good players and instrumental to their success. The Kings have the 37th and 48th picks in the second round. It's time to show your scouting chops in the 2nd round this year, McNair!
Yeah, it's all about giving yourself some dart throws. If Herb can figure out the offense a bit, the Pelicans will have snagged a high level 12+year starter in the 2nd round. Pretty good. He's already an elite defender. Dosonmu looks solid for the Bulls, but he faded a bit down the stretch. Those are the 2 guys who have popped this year in the 2nd.
2021-Herb Jones, Ayo Dosunmu 2-total
2020- Tre Jones, Xavier Tillman, KJ Martin Jr 2-total
2019-Nic Claxton, Cody Martin, Daniel Gafford, Terrance Mann, Isaiah Roby, Horton-Tucker, Jalen McDaniels, Jaylen Nowell. (It's so typical Vlade; he had 3 2nd round picks in one of the deepest 2nd round hit rates and he missed on all of them lol. ) 8-total
2018-Brunson, Graham, Mitch Rob, Gary Trent (we traded out of), Vanderbilt, Melton, Metu, Shake Milton 8-total
2017-Thomas Bryant, Isaiah Hartenstein (my boy), Dillon Brooks, Monte Morris 4-total
2016-Zubac, Brogdon, Georges Niang 3-total
2015-Cedi Osman, Montrezl Harrell, Wily Hernangomez, Richaun Holmes, Josh Richardson, Pat Connaughton 6-total
2014-Joe Harris, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Nikola Jokic, Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson 6-total
2013-Allen Crabbe, Mike Muscala, Raul Neto, James Ennis 4-total
2012-Tomas Satoransky, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Will Barton, Kyle O'Quinn, Quincy Acy 7-total
Obviously need to give the last few drafts some more time to develop, but if we average the last 10 years of guys I'd consider NBA talent (of varying levels), it's comes out to about 5 NBA players every draft. And if we sort the actual difference makers (franchise changing talent):
Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Malcolm Brogdon (8% of the 50 *NBA* talents in the 2nd round the last 10 years).
In other words, it's tough, but not impossible to find rotation players in the 2nd round. It's extraordinarily rare to find a franchise changer. So, dart throw, dart throw, dart throw.
2021-Herb Jones, Ayo Dosunmu 2-total
2020- Tre Jones, Xavier Tillman, KJ Martin Jr 2-total
2019-Nic Claxton, Cody Martin, Daniel Gafford, Terrance Mann, Isaiah Roby, Horton-Tucker, Jalen McDaniels, Jaylen Nowell. (It's so typical Vlade; he had 3 2nd round picks in one of the deepest 2nd round hit rates and he missed on all of them lol. ) 8-total
2018-Brunson, Graham, Mitch Rob, Gary Trent (we traded out of), Vanderbilt, Melton, Metu, Shake Milton 8-total
2017-Thomas Bryant, Isaiah Hartenstein (my boy), Dillon Brooks, Monte Morris 4-total
2016-Zubac, Brogdon, Georges Niang 3-total
2015-Cedi Osman, Montrezl Harrell, Wily Hernangomez, Richaun Holmes, Josh Richardson, Pat Connaughton 6-total
2014-Joe Harris, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Nikola Jokic, Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson 6-total
2013-Allen Crabbe, Mike Muscala, Raul Neto, James Ennis 4-total
2012-Tomas Satoransky, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Will Barton, Kyle O'Quinn, Quincy Acy 7-total
Obviously need to give the last few drafts some more time to develop, but if we average the last 10 years of guys I'd consider NBA talent (of varying levels), it's comes out to about 5 NBA players every draft. And if we sort the actual difference makers (franchise changing talent):
Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Malcolm Brogdon (8% of the 50 *NBA* talents in the 2nd round the last 10 years).
In other words, it's tough, but not impossible to find rotation players in the 2nd round. It's extraordinarily rare to find a franchise changer. So, dart throw, dart throw, dart throw.
Not just Herb.
"Jun 21, 2021
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With Fox gone, Hali takes over the starting PG spot. Simmons slides in as the 4/3 for the Kings. The Kings take BPA at #9 (Jalen Johnson? Scottie Barnes? Davion Mitchell?) and grab Ayo Donsumu, Tre Mann, Herb Jones, or Jared Butler at #28 and #39. Kings make the playoffs next year."
https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/trade-suggestion-fox-for-simmons-28.79959/
"Jun 21, 2021
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With Fox gone, Hali takes over the starting PG spot. Simmons slides in as the 4/3 for the Kings. The Kings take BPA at #9 (Jalen Johnson? Scottie Barnes? Davion Mitchell?) and grab Ayo Donsumu, Tre Mann, Herb Jones, or Jared Butler at #28 and #39. Kings make the playoffs next year."
https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/trade-suggestion-fox-for-simmons-28.79959/
Right. The point was to back up your point and negate someone else's "point" in the thread. I think you're right.
All I want to see is a GM prioritize the 2nd round/cheap development. It's mostly a crapshoot whether you actually hit on somebody, especially someone actually impactful that's a 5+ year player for your team. I think Monte has mostly done a good job with this; 3 2nd round picks, Lou King, Metu, Jones, DDV buy-low, Trey Lyles as a "throw-in". He's clearly trying to find the diamond in the rough younger talent.
All I want to see is a GM prioritize the 2nd round/cheap development. It's mostly a crapshoot whether you actually hit on somebody, especially someone actually impactful that's a 5+ year player for your team. I think Monte has mostly done a good job with this; 3 2nd round picks, Lou King, Metu, Jones, DDV buy-low, Trey Lyles as a "throw-in". He's clearly trying to find the diamond in the rough younger talent.
I am. One of my clear criteria for the next GM was a Farhan type, who thrives in finding creative ways to acquire talent. He’s been so good at it that MLB just changed its waiver rules, because he was abusing it so much.
For the Kings, as a small market team with a horrible rep and an equally horrible track record, having a GM that can not only identify talent in non-premium areas, but also generate shots on goals in non-premium areas is an absolute necessity. The draft is the great equalizer for small market teams. Not just the lotto portion. All of it. So failing to identify diamonds in the second and giving away seconds is an absolute stain on his record.
For the Kings, as a small market team with a horrible rep and an equally horrible track record, having a GM that can not only identify talent in non-premium areas, but also generate shots on goals in non-premium areas is an absolute necessity. The draft is the great equalizer for small market teams. Not just the lotto portion. All of it. So failing to identify diamonds in the second and giving away seconds is an absolute stain on his record.
Honestly our biggest problem with 2nd rounders is we have too many. In order to keep them past the 2 year point, they have to get playing time on the roster, if you have 2-3 every year, which was one of Vlade's dopey strategies, you keep dumping them to make room for the next set.
So you can either be a really bad team doing a process and actually play 2nd rounders and G-leaguers as starters while you tank or you can be the Spurs or consistently good enough to have 2-3 of these guys on the semi-active roster who get in when you are doing load management or what not. Or the Kings who are just mediocre enough that they are always reaching for a rotation player actually worthy of floor time so they have to cut last year's second rounders to find a guy worthy of 8 minutes a night. uggh.
My bottom line: If the second round looks weak this year let's just trade the picks.
So you can either be a really bad team doing a process and actually play 2nd rounders and G-leaguers as starters while you tank or you can be the Spurs or consistently good enough to have 2-3 of these guys on the semi-active roster who get in when you are doing load management or what not. Or the Kings who are just mediocre enough that they are always reaching for a rotation player actually worthy of floor time so they have to cut last year's second rounders to find a guy worthy of 8 minutes a night. uggh.
My bottom line: If the second round looks weak this year let's just trade the picks.
I don't understand how you can do that with NBA roster rules. You're required to have so many guys on NBA deals and only allowed two 2-ways. It's kind of stupid, they should probably have some kind of deal where a team can have more 2-way players but only protect 2 or something like that.
or I guess a simple solution would be allow a team to have two-way rights on all of their 2nd round picks for 4 years.
or I guess a simple solution would be allow a team to have two-way rights on all of their 2nd round picks for 4 years.
I don’t know the parameters for when they could cut a two way or an “ender” and then bring on another player for a test run. But would hope the GM would’ve explored that possibility and different ways to exploit it. And if not at the NBA level, churn at the G-League level.
I think there is a salary floor, but not a true salary ceiling. Just a tax. Would hope the Kings aren’t so afraid of keeping a Woodard, Ramsey, or King for years when it was obvious they just weren’t going to make it. Cut them early. Go give some potential diamonds a test run.
I think there is a salary floor, but not a true salary ceiling. Just a tax. Would hope the Kings aren’t so afraid of keeping a Woodard, Ramsey, or King for years when it was obvious they just weren’t going to make it. Cut them early. Go give some potential diamonds a test run.
Well especially when taking the best guy 6’4” under with a top 10 pick when every one else is reaching for that 6-6 to 6’8” swing forward isn’t exactly something to write home about. All you have done is create an unbalanced undersized roster that can’t compete.
Also if Davion is so great why have no one’s all rookie team ballots I have seen have him on 1st or 2nd team?
Also if Davion is so great why have no one’s all rookie team ballots I have seen have him on 1st or 2nd team?
I was high on Davion, so I'm not as pissed about the pick. My gripe is the roster construction--like yours. Perfect world, he would've moved Fox, acquired Simmons when Fox had higher value, drafted Davion as BPA, Herb Jones, and Ayo. That would've been exactly/close to what I would've done: https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/trade-suggestion-fox-for-simmons-28.79959/
PG: Hali, Davion
SG: Buddy, Ayo, TD
SF: Barnes/Jones, Moe, Ender
PF: Simmons, Barnes/Jones, Bagley, Ender
C: Holmes, Len, Ender
Or
PG: Hali, Davion
SG: Buddy, Ayo, TD
SF: Barnes, Moe
PF: Jones, Bagley
C: Simmons, Len...
That team would be in the playoffs right now.
Edit: At #9, I probably would've had a tough call between Sengun, Bouknight, and Mitchell. Mitchell becoming more prominent with the need at PG after Fox's trade. Sengun, I loved. Bouknight, nothing needs to be said.
PG: Hali, Davion
SG: Buddy, Ayo, TD
SF: Barnes/Jones, Moe, Ender
PF: Simmons, Barnes/Jones, Bagley, Ender
C: Holmes, Len, Ender
Or
PG: Hali, Davion
SG: Buddy, Ayo, TD
SF: Barnes, Moe
PF: Jones, Bagley
C: Simmons, Len...
That team would be in the playoffs right now.
Edit: At #9, I probably would've had a tough call between Sengun, Bouknight, and Mitchell. Mitchell becoming more prominent with the need at PG after Fox's trade. Sengun, I loved. Bouknight, nothing needs to be said.
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That doesn't look like a playoff team to me. I think that roster would be in the same situation as the current roster.
This franchise needs additions. Moving chairs around the deck of the Titanic might make some small improvements here and there but I don't think it would be nearly enough to catapult them into the playoffs from where they currently stand.
Hitting on this draft pick is extremely important.
This franchise needs additions. Moving chairs around the deck of the Titanic might make some small improvements here and there but I don't think it would be nearly enough to catapult them into the playoffs from where they currently stand.
Hitting on this draft pick is extremely important.
Over dribbles a bit too much. Knows how to play. Don't see above average athleticism or burst. Shades of Bogdon though he looks less muscular, so transition to the NBA may be a bit tougher. Late first, second rounder? Yes. Earlier? I don't think I would do it.
For me, the biggest difference between amateurs and college and college and the pros is size and efficiency of movement. I think we've all played against former D1 or former pros in different sports. And in my experience, besides size, their efficiency of movement was where the difference in levels are.
For me, the biggest difference between amateurs and college and college and the pros is size and efficiency of movement. I think we've all played against former D1 or former pros in different sports. And in my experience, besides size, their efficiency of movement was where the difference in levels are.