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manu offensive foul. when artest went down. who has the link to that? anyone? if artest got ejected for his elbow, i wanna see the foul manu put on artest.
 
I wish I could say that Manu deserves to be suspended for that, too. However, it was completely incidental. I wouldn't even have called it a foul, much less flagrant. Ron's foul was completely intentional, and should have been a flagrant 1. It was clearly upgraded to a flagrant 2 because of reputation.
 
keflanag said:
I wish I could say that Manu deserves to be suspended for that, too. However, it was completely incidental. I wouldn't even have called it a foul, much less flagrant. Ron's foul was completely intentional, and should have been a flagrant 1. It was clearly upgraded to a flagrant 2 because of reputation.
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That would be how I would most likely assess it, but given recent events I'd still like to rewatch the Manu foul again.
 
I must say I've been in awe of Artests ability to put his face within elbow range nearly every time he picks a man up one-on-one. I realize Ginobli got him on the way by, but it (it being a shot to the chops) comes with the territory of being all over a man defensively without fouling.

In the infamous Kobe playoff elbow i think it was Christie who took the shot from Kobe when attempting to smother him without fouling and was called for a foul anyway. Hmmm. Its great defense to go chin to chin, but it does leave one defenseless.
 
Well, I did watch a few replays of that elbow and every time I watched it, it looked less "incidental" to me.
 
It was kind of hard to see, IIRC. Ginobili and Artest are scrambling around at the sideline, and then Artest is down.
 
I wouldn't call that intentional. Not at all. I've done that to players before, and it's easy to do, whether you're being careful or not. Definitely a foul, but not an intentional elbow.
 
As big a Kings fan I am... the Ginobili elbow on Artest looks totally unintentional.

The Artest elbow on Ginobili was totally intentional though. Made me laugh, see how he looks right at Ginobili, then quickly looks away as he elbows him. Haha, slick Ron. lols
 
You guys are underrating Manu. The guy is clever, he's a master at injuring players. He flopped into Barbosa's knee and Leandro missed some games. He splits Ron's lip. I'm pretty sure he's done other stuff(can't remember it right now though). He starts flailing his arms after hitting Ron, I don't think that's a coincidence.
 
a. ginobili's elbow on artest wasn't intentional
b. artest's elbow on ginobili was intentional
c. artest should not have been suspended for that
 
artests quote from todays bee an excerpt
"It wasn't even a payback shot," Artest said by phone. "It was just like defensive aggressive awareness. I'm in the paint, and it's just, You're not going to be into my lane. Both elbows were pulled back. I pulled them back so they wouldn't hit anybody, you know what I'm saying?"

Jackson didn't buy it. The league's disciplinarian was candid about the logic behind his decision, saying a player's past offenses are always factored into such a choice.

"It was not a basketball play," Jackson said. "It's a type of play that endangers other players, and we just can't allow that type of non-basketball play in our game."

The repeat offender took offense to the logic behind the decision, which only supports his opinion that the NBA is on a headhunt of its own.

"No, I wasn't headhunting," Artest said. "You know, it's like another good excuse (for them) to take things away from me that I've worked so hard to achieve."
 
What I am getting out of all of this is

1. Manu's elbow was not intentional but it was called a foul, Artest gets hurt.

2. Artest's forearm could be interpreted as intentional there is no foul called, Manu DOES NOT GET HURT and Ron gets suspended one game.

Where is the sense?
 
1. From the information i gathered from this forum and others, Manu fouled Brad Miller on the continuotion of that play, not because of elbowing Ron Artest CMIIW

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2. Foul was called on Ron Artest when he elbowed Manu, but not a flagrant one. Then, the league disciplinary body reviewed that incident and judged it as a F2 foul, hence the suspension.

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My opinion in this matter, a fine is more appropiate, but Ron's past really hurt him this time. So pity, that the good Ron has done a great job of reviving an ailing Kings time in reg season, only to be derailed by the bad Ron in the end :(
 
There was no flagrant foul," league vice president Stu Jackson explained from his office in Manhattan. "This is a 'contact' rule. The action we're taking is because of the fact Ron made contact with Manu Ginobili's head. While the contact was not severe, it was a potentially dangerous play. And the fact he is a recidivist was taken into account."

There is the quote...........correct me if I am wrong but I think Ron's nose is part of his head. There would be very few players available for the playoffs if they got suspended every time they touched somebody's head. recidivist???
 
Did everyone notice that Ginobili came into Brad Miller with his knee up into Miller's mid-section. Classic Karl Malone move. Miller of course folded. Miller should have pounded Ginobili into the hardwood. Ginobili was clearly on a mission to exert his influence and will on the court. Artest got three stitches. Miller wimped out. Ginobili's mission was accomplished. If anyone thinks something else happened out there, then I respectfully submit that said person is abusing crack cocaine.
 
quick dog said:
Did everyone notice that Ginobili came into Brad Miller with his knee up into Miller's mid-section. Classic Karl Malone move. Miller of course folded. Miller should have pounded Ginobili into the hardwood. Ginobili was clearly on a mission to exert his influence and will on the court. Artest got three stitches. Miller wimped out. Ginobili's mission was accomplished. If anyone thinks something else happened out there, then I respectfully submit that said person is abusing crack cocaine.
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The knee to Brad was the foul called on that play, not the elbow. Although Brad was in the restricted area, you cannot fly into a player with your knee out like that.
 
keflanag said:
The knee to Brad was the foul called on that play, not the elbow. Although Brad was in the restricted area, you cannot fly into a player with your knee out like that.
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I wish their roles had been reversed. Miller gets an arm to the mouth and Artest defends the paint. Perhaps things would have been different. Ginobili set the tone for the game. Unfortunately, I think the attack on Artest was coached by Greg Popovic and the results were indeed anticipated. I assume that Popovic did not call Stu Jackson the evening before the game. Such bravado would have been unnecessary and a bit cheeky. I believe that Popovic is actually at the root of this long-standing Spurs thugery. Jerry Sloan has a similar philosophy. It is a shame when "City Hall" goes along with the game plan.
 
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