Lieberman exiled by Karl?????

[Im Still Ballin]

You won't stop.

Ok, I'll play. How is talking to her boss undermining the coach?

We don't have all the facts. There's this thing called chain of command. Because we don't have all the facts, we don't truly know the nature of this relationship between the assistant coach and owner. However you slice it, it does look bad for an assistant coach to be confiding with the team owner, behind the head coaches back. This cannot be argued. We can only comment on what we know.

 

[Glenn]

I get the feeling that if Karl is bothered by you, he quits talking to you. Very mature.

 

[Glenn]

We don't have all the facts. There's this thing called chain of command. Because we don't have all the facts, we don't truly know the nature of this relationship between the assistant coach and owner. However you slice it, it does look bad for an assistant coach to be confiding with the team owner, behind the head coaches back. This cannot be argued. We can only comment on what we know.

Where is this article that says Nancy is talking behind her coach's back?

 

[Chubbs]

We don't have all the facts. There's this thing called chain of command. Because we don't have all the facts, we don't truly know the nature of this relationship between the assistant coach and owner. However you slice it, it does look bad for an assistant coach to be confiding with the team owner, behind the head coaches back. This cannot be argued. We can only comment on what we know.

You're commenting on more than you know. 'Behind the coaches back"?

Not all shocked you would say something about chain of command.

Apparently Karl is the strongman leader you crave. Not really sure why.

If only all power were given to Karl he could make the kings great again, right?

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Do you guys know what a confidante is? Please look it up.

 

[Chubbs]

Do you guys know what a confidante is? Please look it up.

A confidante (also known as a canapé à joue, a canapé à confidants, or a canapé à confidant(e)) is a type of sofa, originally characterized by a triangular seat at each end, so that people could sit at either end of the sofa and be close to the person(s) sitting in the middle.[3] The ends were sometimes detachable, and could be removed and used on their own as Burjair chairs.[4][5] The name Confidante was coined by cabinetmaker George Hepplewhite,[who described it in his Cabinet-Maker and Upholsterer's Guide as being "of French origin, and is in pretty general request for large and spacious suits of apartments. An elegant drawing-room, with modern furniture, is scarce complete without a Confidante, […]"

You learn something new everyday.

 

[Glenn]

Do you guys know what a confidante is? Please look it up.

Do you have proof that Nancy is a confidante? And if she is a confidante by passing info to her boss, what is wrong with that? Maybe he wants to know.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Now I will say it again. We don't know the true nature of this relationship. But we know it exists. Purely on those grounds, it is unhealthy in a chain of command sense. It is thus understandable why she has been distanced from by Karl. We don't know much more than that.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Is it ok if I always assume the worst in Karl?

Saves me a lot of time.

 

[Blob]

This is a very colored reading of what was actually reported. When is it ever seen as a negative to have a friendly working relationship with your boss? There's nothing in the report that says she was leaking privileged information to Vivek (whatever that even means -- he's the owner of the team, what is he not supposed to know about his coaching staff?) or that she was spreading slander. If that's what you got out of this than you brought that interpretation yourself because it's not in the article. Not to mention -- if my boss's boss asks me for my opinion about something am I supposed to lie about it to make my boss look better? You have to work really hard to turn this into a negative reflection of Nancy Lieberman's character.

This could be some of what DeMarcus was referring to when he mentioned recently in one of his post-game interviews that there were distractions off the court that involved in-fighting between people who are supposed to be on the same side. I wasn't sure what those comments were referring to at the time. I don't have any information about this other than the one line in Sam Amick's article but to have anyone who works for you "unofficially exiled" rather than outright fired or engaged in a dialog of some kind that intends to fix the cause of the friction strikes me as childish and unnecessary. This is not something that happens in healthy organizations.

The only point I am making is Nancy has opinions that undoubtedly differ from the opinions of the head coach. Some may be aligned. So may not. I am not suggesting she's throwing Karl under the bus but in the process of offering her honest assessment to Vivek of the team and strategy and the Karl-Cousin relationship, which I imagine is what she is doing, it indirectly calls into question if Karl is coaching this team properly. From this perspective I could see how Karl would be perturbed if he was felt Nancy was throwing him under the bus.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

You and I were talking about this quite recently. I've noticed WCS and Omri also talking with Nancy, along with Vlade.

I am angry, and it's not because of my gender. It's because this is more proof that George Karl isn't willing to get with the program and accept that things are changing. Nancy has reached out to the Sacramento community and she and several Kings have worked with or are working with local charities for the good of kids, etc. That's important. To relegate her to second class status because Karl thinks she's a "Ranadive confidante" is very telling...and gives proof to the rumors that Vlade and Vivek wanted to fire Karl but were talked out of it by the minority ownership.

This team is still a trainwreck, and it looks like a bridge or six might have also collapsed.

This can't be real...but it is. And Kings fans just continue to sit on the sidelines with their boxes of popcorn. What a long strange trip it's been.

just take off the damn purple glasses and you could see the damn train wreck months ago. instead of championing for a everything is peaceful in kings land and just tell it as it is! cmon now

 

[Glenn]

Where are the facts? I see a lot of guesses, assumptions, and maybe even wishes but who here knows what is happening and please show me a link to your source of information?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I know it's a lot to ask, but just once this decade can the Kings have a winning season where the focus is on the basketball games instead of all the organizational turmoil?

gotta give it up to vivek. he knows how to make a splash. what a d bag of an owner.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Let's air some more dirty laundry. You think this is the only organization that has any to air? It's just another sign the organazation is not run well. Any other NBA teams with so many rumors and faction fighting over stuff like this? It's amatuer hour.

again, gotta give it up to vivek. he went and hired all rookies when he took over. rookie head coach, rookie gm and tried to reinvent the wheel with analytics and other idiotic crap like cherry picking.

when will this bull**** end? idk, went to the game tonight and was thoroughly disappointed. my son who isn't a basketball fan even pointed out they were getting a beat down. did WCS get in during the 4th quarter?

 

[Im Still Ballin]

again, gotta give it up to vivek. he went and hired all rookies when he took over. rookie head coach, rookie gm and tried to reinvent the wheel with analytics and other idiotic crap like cherry picking.

when will this bull**** end? idk, went to the game tonight and was thoroughly disappointed. my son who isn't a basketball fan even pointed out they were getting a beat down. did WCS get in during the 4th quarter?

WCS was getting lit up by Ryan Anderson. Clearly off his game tonight. But hey! Cousins got his 20 and 10 so it's all good, right?

 

[kingsboi]

WCS was getting lit up by Ryan Anderson. Clearly off his game tonight. But hey! Cousins got his 20 and 10 so it's all good, right?

hasn't Ryan Anderson lit the Kings up in all meetings this season anyway? There is absolutely no body on the bench over there teaching Trill the principles of playing solid man to man defense, that's not a knock on Trill by the way, it's just how I see it.

 

[LPKingsFan]

The silly dispute over details doesn't interest me.

What matters to me is that, once again, there is drama and discord involving basketball operations and personnel. This didn't start with Karl, and, I fear, it will continue once he's gone this summer....

 

[Double-K]

This Karl saga in Sacramento has more plot twists then Game of Thrones.

With infinitely less amount of characters getting on the chopping block...

 

[HndsmCelt]

The silly dispute over details doesn't interest me.

What matters to me is that, once again, there is drama and discord involving basketball operations and personnel. This didn't start with Karl, and, I fear, it will continue once he's gone this summer....

Yes and no, the problem certainly started before George got here. But if you look at each of the most recent issues they do have a common denominator. Team not playing well coach about to be fired. Demarcus and Coach have issues. Assistant coach and Coach have issues. Ownership doesn't seem to crop up in any of these scenarios, neither does Vlade.

 

[Dbeltz24]

I'm just not sure how Karl has the effort to post on this board right after every game.

 

[mac]

again, gotta give it up to vivek. he went and hired all rookies when he took over. rookie head coach, rookie gm and tried to reinvent the wheel with analytics and other idiotic crap like cherry picking.

when will this bull**** end? idk, went to the game tonight and was thoroughly disappointed. my son who isn't a basketball fan even pointed out they were getting a beat down. did WCS get in during the 4th quarter?

Yes, WCS started the 4th quarter. He played 24 minutes, and coming into the game was probable due to sickness.

 

[KingMilz]

I don't get why this is news? One of the lower assisants does not really warrant a story does it?

 

[Kingster]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 23m23 minutes ago
Check the top paragraph from @sam_amick.

"Nancy Lieberman long ago labeled a Ranadive confidante and thus unofficially exiled by Karl months ago."

Full article

Above quote in context:

So Nancy Lieberman wasn't Karl's idea? She was Ranadive's idea foisted upon Karl? Another initiative of the owner with no real buy-in by the coach? What the hell. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Funny this should surface on the very day we were, once again, having an idle conversation, VF21, on WHY an assistant coach would be regulated to the second row, never allowed to speak, why the only players who seemed to be trying, at ALL, at this point, seem to be the ones who speak with her on the time outs.
There is NO defensive philosophy, the players genuinely do not know what is expected of them in any situation. It doesn't mean good defenders (Rondo, Koufos, Cousins, Willie etc) have suddenly become bad defenders, nor does it mean that good offensive players have suddenly forgotten howt o shoot.
This is a team sport. Even in High School ball, we learned to play to each others strengths, work together to hide weaknesses, adjust to the team we were playing. Our coaching staff would break down the things you can't, as a player in the heat of a game, see. We had each others back, because there was trust and respect. I can not, for the life of me, figure out what Karl is trying to do, what he wants his players to do. I can not even imagine trying to play under a non-system such as in place.

 

[Kingsgurl]

gotta give it up to vivek. he knows how to make a splash. what a d bag of an owner.

Eh, not to sure he is that far off from what any of us would be. Over enthusiastic/simplistic in the beginning, trying to fix everything by having his hand in everything.. He received a pretty quick (in NBA terms) beat down and has since seemed to me to be trying to make the right moves (hire someone wh0 knows this city, knows the game, relinquish authority to them) He may be the face of the ownership, but he is not the sole one calling the shots.

 

[hrdboild]

The only point I am making is Nancy has opinions that undoubtedly differ from the opinions of the head coach. Some may be aligned. So may not. I am not suggesting she's throwing Karl under the bus but in the process of offering her honest assessment to Vivek of the team and strategy and the Karl-Cousin relationship, which I imagine is what she is doing, it indirectly calls into question if Karl is coaching this team properly. From this perspective I could see how Karl would be perturbed if he was felt Nancy was throwing him under the bus.

Isn't this true of any assistant coach though? This isn't the military, it's a basketball team. Presumably you hire assistant coaches so you can delegate responsibilities and take advantage of their expertise. If Vivek passes Nancy in the hallway and asks "how's it going in the locker room" and she says "not so good Vivek..." that's not a breach of the chain of command, it's a co-worker giving their honest opinion. Sweeping problems under the rug doesn't help anybody. If something isn't working mature people talk about it and figure out a solution. I can see why George Karl might feel threatened if he feels like one of his assistant coaches has a better relationship with the owner than he does -- particularly when there were already reports mid-season that Nancy might be Vivek's preference to take over if George Karl is fired. But if there are real problems in the locker room, the right thing to do is to get them out in the open and fix them. "Keep it in house" shouldn't extend to coaches hiding things from the owner of the team. And whatever the underlying cause might be, "unofficial exile" is not a mature or appropriate response.

 

[hrdboild]

I don't get why this is news? One of the lower assisants does not really warrant a story does it?

It's one line in an article about whether the Kings should look to trade Cousins, what they might get if they do, or if a coaching change would be sufficient to eliminate the negativity swirling around him yet again. It's drummed up quite a bit of interest though because it's new information and hints that the locker-room friction between George Karl and DeMarcus Cousins extends a lot deeper than just one problem child picking a fight with an authority figure. It's also unverified and vague so there's a lot to speculate on. Besides, what else are we going to do as the season winds down, watch the Kings lose to the Pelicans at home again?

 

[Amit149]

Do you have proof that Nancy is a confidante? And if she is a confidante by passing info to her boss, what is wrong with that? Maybe he wants to know.

"Nancy Lieberman long ago labeled a Ranadive confidante and thus unofficially exiled by Karl months ago."

Come on, I think we all lost respect for Karl as a coach but it's kind of surprising to me how many just skip all criticism to Vivek and actually seem to think Karl did that because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed- there must be a reason for it, and if you put it together with the reporting of her as a "Ranadive confidante" and the fact Vivek wanted him fire not long ago- it doesn't take much to connect the dots.

 

[Chubbs]

Let's face it. Every assistant not in Karl's circle (and probably some in it) is looking at this team as their "in" to the coaching ranks.

When presented with glaring incompetence, at any job, you cozy up to the boss to find out what he's looking for in a replacement, where the owner thinks Karl failed, etc. Just in case. Frankly, in this case, I'd want to,see if Vivek is a mad man. See if working for him is doomed to failure, if it's worth the trouble.

Nancy talks to Vivek, and I'd bet you Corliss is talking to Vlade. There's only 30 or so of these jobs. One is about to become available and everyone in the NBA knows it. Every coach looking for a job has talked to the kings.

Thibs didn't show up cause Karl wanted him there.

Karl stabbed Corbin in the back to get the job. Now it's someone else's turn.

Karl knows how this works. If he is beaten at his own game, so be it.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Yes and no, the problem certainly started before George got here. But if you look at each of the most recent issues they do have a common denominator. Team not playing well coach about to be fired. Demarcus and Coach have issues. Assistant coach and Coach have issues. Ownership doesn't seem to crop up in any of these scenarios, neither does Vlade.

You mean the coach that was about to be fired, until ownership disputes get in the way? (similar to the bizarrely drawn-out process when said coach was hired?).