Let's pretend the Kings get 12th and 25th from Memphis.. who do you take?

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Ok, let's consider a possible draft scenario. Geoff Petrie is sitting there with the No.5 pick, and Cousins is off the draft board. He can select Wesley Johnson, or any of a number of other players. Memphis calls, and wants to work out a deal for no. 5 overall. We get #12 and #25 in exchange. Who do would you want us to get at 12 and 25?


Here are the players we would be looking at, at 12:

Players we won't get:

5. Wesley Johnson - likely gone at the spot we traded out of, #5
6. Al-Farouq Aminu - likely gone at 5,6 or 7
7. Greg Monroe - likely gone between 6 and 9

Players we "might" get:

8. Cole Aldrich - chances are, somebody takes the skinny guy before 12, but you never know.


Players we'll have a chance at:

9. Ekpe Udoh - One site has him going 8th, another has him going 16th.
10. Ed Davis - One site has him at 10, another has him at 15.
11. Hassan Whiteside - I think if the Kings do move down to 12, they will be hoping for either Udoh or Whiteside to slip. Whiteside has a much better chance of being there at 12, but it isn't a lock.
12. Patrick Patterson
13. Xavier Henry
14. Donatas Montiejunas



At 25, it's a bit more complicated as to who will be there.
 
Hmm. Third worst record in the league and come out of the lotto with your best pick being 12? I'm good. Take Wes Johnson and at least be happy you got a skilled player out of the draft.
 
I am not trading our #5 for #12 and #25. If either Cousins or Johnson is not considered a good pick, than trade it for another proven player. Why the hell would we want the #12 and #25? This line of thinking makes no sense for me. Either draft who you think is the 5th best player in this draft, or trade the pick for a PROVEN player.

If we don't like anyone at #5, who are we going to like that much more at #12 that would help right away? At #5, Cousins or Johnson, they start for us next year. If we don't take one of them, or another player that Petrie feels can help now, then you damn well better trade that pick for a proven starter that will help immediatly. Big Al comes to mind as an example. But DO NOT trade the #5 for guys who might or might not develop into a starter, or even a rotational player down the road.

We need to start surrounding tyreke with guys ready to contribute. Young, but ready to take that next step. The #12, #25, and our 2nd rounder will not accomplish that. Seriously, what is the thinking for trading a pretty sure thing at #5 for a project at #12, and someone who might not help ever at #25? I highly doubt the Maloofs or Petrie want to take on another project on right now.
 
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I am not trading our #5 for #12 and #25. If either Cousins or Johnson is not considered a good pick, than trade it for another proven player. Why the hell would we want the #12 and #25? This line of thinking makes no sense for me. Either draft who you think is the 5th best player in this draft, or trade the pick for a PROVEN player.

Here is the thing... as far as the Kings are concerned, they could be perfectly happy getting the 12th player on their board, compared to the 5th player. Plus, you pay the 12th player less money over his contract. For me, drafting Wesley Johnson, over getting 12 and 25 is pretty much a wash as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem going with Johnson, but at the same time, I'd have no problem going with 12 and 25. With 12 and 25, if it was up to me, I'd be coming out of it with either:


12:

1. Ekpe Udoh
2. Hassan Whiteside
3. Ed Davis
4. Cole Aldrich


Obviously, we wouldn't have any chance at Johnson, Aminu or Monroe at 12, but we would be guaranteed one of those top 4 guys. Aldrich is probably another guy that won't be there at 12, but I actually don't mind that. I'd prefer the other 3 before Aldrich anyways.


25:


1. Eric Bledose - We get our poor man's John Wall. Bledsoe starts at point, Reke moves to the 2 guard.
2. Gordon Hayward - He won't make it to 25, but still...
3. Paul George - I think there is a slight chance this guy is there at 25
4. Kevin Seraphin - Doubt he makes it to 25... but.
5. Avery Bradley
 
I'm with rainmaker. It's an interesting deal when you consider trade down deals, but I'd rather us get the bpa at 5. I think that is Johnson if Cousins is off the board. As far as trading for an established player instead of trading down, that depends on who we can get.
 
Here is the thing... as far as the Kings are concerned, they could be perfectly happy getting the 12th player on their board, compared to the 5th player. Plus, you pay the 12th player less money over his contract. For me, drafting Wesley Johnson, over getting 12 and 25 is pretty much a wash as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem going with Johnson, but at the same time, I'd have no problem going with 12 and 25. With 12 and 25, if it was up to me, I'd be coming out of it with either:


12:

1. Ekpe Udoh
2. Hassan Whiteside
3. Ed Davis
4. Cole Aldrich
Well, this is something we will never agree on. How do you know the Kings FO would be perfectly fine getting the 12th player on their board instead of the 5th? That is a huge asumption to make without any evidence. PLease tell me where you got that idea. That the Kings see no difference between picking 5th and 12th in this draft?

We also will not agree on Johnson being equivelant to the 12th player in this draft. Johnson could go as high as #3 or #4. There are rumors stating just that. I would be fine picking him 5th. But acting like you can get aplayer with similar talent at #12 is ludicrous, IMO. I think Udoh is gone at #12. I might take him #5. Aldrich should be gone. Davis might be there, and Whiteside is a complete project. Trading down to #12 is a huge risk I don't see a purpose in taking.
 
Well, this is something we will never agree on. How do you know the Kings FO would be perfectly fine getting the 12th player on their board instead of the 5th? That is a huge asumption to make without any evidence. PLease tell me where you got that idea. That the Kings see no difference between picking 5th and 12th in this draft?

We also will not agree on Johnson being equivelant to the 12th player in this draft. Johnson could go as high as #3 or #4. There are rumors stating just that. I would be fine picking him 5th. But acting like you can get aplayer with similar talent at #12 is ludicrous, IMO. I think Udoh is gone at #12. I might take him #5. Aldrich should be gone. Davis might be there, and Whiteside is a complete project. Trading down to #12 is a huge risk I don't see a purpose in taking.


I think I orginally threw this thought out there and Vlade confirmed what I was thinking. I don't think I would trade the 5th pick for the 12th and 25th. It was more of an mental exercise than a desire. But as an exercise, I would have a list of: Udoh, Aldrich, Monroe, Babbitt, George, Haywood, Patterson, Anderson, and Damion James.
 
Well, this is something we will never agree on. How do you know the Kings FO would be perfectly fine getting the 12th player on their board instead of the 5th? That is a huge asumption to make without any evidence. PLease tell me where you got that idea. That the Kings see no difference between picking 5th and 12th in this draft?

You need to read my quote again. I said "They could be". That doesn't necessarily mean it's a fact, it just means that it "could" be possible. We don't know how the FO has the top 12 players ranked. Obviously, anybody in their right mind would think that you could get a better player at 5, compared to 12. But, how much better? You can't forget about the value of having 25 as well. Having the 25th and the 3rd overall pick in the second round, gives us options. possibly allowing us to jump into the middle of the first round by packaging those two picks together.
We also will not agree on Johnson being equivelant to the 12th player in this draft. Johnson could go as high as #3 or #4. There are rumors stating just that. I would be fine picking him 5th. But acting like you can get aplayer with similar talent at #12 is ludicrous, IMO. I think Udoh is gone at #12. I might take him #5. Aldrich should be gone. Davis might be there, and Whiteside is a complete project. Trading down to #12 is a huge risk I don't see a purpose in taking.

Obviously, Johnson isn't equivalent to the 12th player. You keep forgetting that we would also get the 25th overall pick as well. Imagine if Bledsoe is available at 25. Would you say that trading Wesley Johnson straight up for Ekpe Udoh and Eric Bledsoe is crazy? Sure, that might be our best case scenario, but it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

Truthfully, I'd probably prefer that we select Johnson. I'm just worried that Petrie would go with Monroe instead, something that I'm crossing my fingers doesn't happen. I do not want another skilled big man that isn't known for his defense or rebounding. I'm very worried that Petrie will fall in love with a guy like Monroe though, considering his skills are so similar to Brad Miller. I'd much rather have the 12th and 25th picks instead of Monroe.

Ideally, I'd rather drop down to the 8th pick in the draft, but what else could the Clippers package together to move up to 5th? I'd do it for the 8th spot and their No.1 pick in 2011 or 2012, but seriously doubt the Clippers would agree to that. Maybe we could package #5 and #33 for #8, and their first round pick in 2011. I still think they wouldn't go for it, or make the trade top 5 protected or something. If we could trade down to 8, we would be guaranteed one of these 3 players, one of which we would be likely to take at 5 anyways:

Al-Farouq Aminu
Ekpe Udoh
Greg Monroe


I mean, obviously if Petrie is trading out of 5, then that means that he's not totally infatuated with Johnson, and if he stayed at 5 then he's most likely taking Monroe or Aminu, so why not get one of those guys a few spots later and get something else in the process.

The Grizzlies deal just seems more likely to take place, with them having the two first round selections.
 
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I hope that Petrie is not so incapable of finding a good player at #5 that this would be worthwhile. Looking at the history of the draft, 5 to 12 is a huge drop, very few players worthy of starting are left at 12.

If this is in fact the best way to go, I will be expecting very little improvement next year.
 
Here are the #12 picks from previous years:

2009- Gerald Henderson Bobcats
2008- Jason Thompson (who?) Kings
2007- Thaddeus Young Sixers
2006- Hilton Armstrong Hornets
2005- Yaroslav Korelev (!?!) Clippers
2004- Robert Swift Supersonics
2003- Nick Collison Supersonics (FYI The #5 pick that year was some
dude named Dwyane Wade :) )
 
The best way to look at any selection of talent, is to consider it in tiers.

Tier 1

1. John Wall - PG - Kentucky
2. Evan Turner - SG/PG - Ohio State
3. Derrick Favors - PF - Georgia Tech


Tier 2

4. DeMarcus Cousins - C/PF - Kentucky
5. Wesley Johnson - SF/SG - Syracuse

Tier 3

6. Al-Farouq Aminu - SF/PF - Wake Forest
7. Ekpe Udoh - PF - Baylor
8. Greg Monroe - PF/C - Georgetown

Tier 4

9. Hassan Whiteside - C/PF - Marshall
10. Ed Davis - C/PF - North Carolina
11. Patrick Patterson - PF/SF - Kentucky
12. Cole Aldrich - C/PF - Kansas
13. Xavier Henry - SG - Kansas
14. Paul George - SF - Fresno State
15. Donatas Montiejunas - PF/SF - Lithuania


I do like Aminu, Udoh and Monroe more than the group of talent from 9 thru 15, but I honestly don't think that those 3 will be "significantly" better than some of the guys from 9 to 15, and I think that any one of the guys from 9 to 15 could end up having a better NBA career.

Also, while I think there is basically zero chance that Aminu or Monroe would be available at 12 overall, I don't think it's totally inconceivable for Udoh to be there. Imagine what kind of steal that would be.

The truth of the matter, is that we have zero idea how the Kings have these players rated. Ultimately, I'd like the Kings to take a chance on Cousins, and hope for the best. He's going to be a very risky selection, but he has home-run potential, and I think that we can't afford not to gamble. We need a true superstar, and if Cousins has a good chance at superstardom, then we need to roll with him, despite the laundry list of negatives. If Cousins is gone, we should take Wesley Johnson, and deal with our logjam at SF later on down the road.

The only reason I even bring up this trade of 5 for 12 and 25, is because of my fear that Petrie isn't interested in Cousins or Johnson. I'm worried that Petrie really wants either Aminu or Monroe. I don't mind Aminu so much, but I still would rather have the 12 and 25 option. And I'd definitely prefer the 12 and 25 option over Monroe.
 
The only reason I even bring up this trade of 5 for 12 and 25, is because of my fear that Petrie isn't interested in Cousins or Johnson. I'm worried that Petrie really wants either Aminu or Monroe. I don't mind Aminu so much, but I still would rather have the 12 and 25 option. And I'd definitely prefer the 12 and 25 option over Monroe.
Then you go with what you believe my friend. No reason to defend yourself against those who doesn't want your idea. You are entitled to your own opinion. I think your points are valid. Everyone is guessing at this point in time.
 
At 12 I'd probably go with Xavier Henry, maybe Paul George.

At 25 I'd look at Kevin Seraphin, Larry Sanders or Solomon Alabi depending on who's on the board.
 
Luke Babbit if he's available at 25 for sure

the guys a stud.. measured up well..shooting the ball incredible...

Babbit may be available at 12, but not at 25. He's climbing up the draft boards. Rightly so! The only question the scouts had about him was his athleticism, or perhaps, lack thereof. But after showing he's more athletic than most thought at the combine, I think a lot of those doubts will be lessened. The workouts will certainly play a part. But if there's one thing Babbit can do, its play basketball. So I don't see him hurting himself in the individual workouts.
 
I would go Patrick Patterson at 12 or Daniel Orton.. Depends on who we take at 25..

Willie Warren we take Orton..

Larry Sanders we take Patterson..
 
I would go Patrick Patterson at 12 or Daniel Orton.. Depends on who we take at 25..

Willie Warren we take Orton..

Larry Sanders we take Patterson..

Warren scares me. He did show well at the combine in the shooting drills. But he wasn't very good last year, after looking like a sure lottery pick the year before. I'm willing to cut him a little slack due to his becoming the focus of the defense. But he didn't seem to handle it very well..

I was hoping for Udoh at 12, but it looks like he'll go higher than that now.
 
I would take...

12. Avery Bradley

There should be some good combo guards still available around 25, but I think Bradley is a perfect fit next to Evans and a good value around this area. Good athlete with long wingspan for his height, noted as a great defender who should be able to stay in front of the quicker guards in the league, and has an extremely good outside shot. Not a great passer or finisher at the rim, but that isn't a problem for us since most of the time he would be playing off the ball. Other options would be a developmental big like Daniel Orton or Hassan Whiteside. Maybe a different combo guard like Paul George or Xavier Henry.


25. Take one of the bigs that ends up falling. Larry Sanders is a guy that comes to mind, possibly Alabi if he falls a bit further than expected, maybe someone like Jerome Jordan if they impress enough at workouts. If no bigs are there that they like, they could draft another combo guard and actively try to trade Garcia or Udrih.
 
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I would take...

12. Avery Bradley

There should be some good combo guards still available around 25, but I think Bradley is a perfect fit next to Evans and a good value around this area. Good athlete with long wingspan for his height, noted as a great defender who should be able to stay in front of the quicker guards in the league, and has an extremely good outside shot. Not a great passer or finisher at the rim, but that isn't a problem for us since most of the time he would be playing off the ball. Other options would be a developmental big like Daniel Orton or Hassan Whiteside. Maybe a different combo guard like Paul George or Xavier Henry.


25. Take one of the bigs that ends up falling. Larry Sanders is a guy that comes to mind, possibly Alabi if he falls a bit further than expected, maybe someone like Jerome Jordan if they impress enough at workouts. If no bigs are there that they like, they could draft another combo guard and actively try to trade Garcia or Udrih.
Just my opinion, but I think our greatest need is a big man. This is a draft deep in bigs, so why draft a 6'3" combo guard that isn't a great passer and is a very inconsistant shooter. He shot 43.2% overall from the floor. That hardly qualifies as an excellent outside shooter. When you consider that Turner shot 51%. In his last 8 games of the season he shot.

4 out of 14
5 out of 12
2 out of 7
1 out of 5
1 out of 6
4 out of 10
5 out of 16
4 out of 15

That kind of shooting hardly scares me if I'm the opposing team. Whoever plays along side of Tyreke needs to be a good ballhandler, passer and definitely a good outside shooter. Bradley is a very good athlete, and he's my personal darkhorse to be a surprise down the road. But I had him as my darkhorse at pick 25 or 26. Not 12. As much as I think he'll eventually be a good player, he could also be Quincy Douby part two.
 
Babbitt is actually one of my favorite players. Yeah, as others have stated here, he definitely won't be available at #25, and at #12 I might just pull the trigger because I don't really like the late lotto/early teens portion of the draft in terms of value (well, if Greg Monroe drops here...). He has a solid enough wingspan, and surprisingly was actually one of the best leapers in this year's draft class as well, which definitely elevates his stock. He combines that leaping ability with very good strength, lateral quickness, and conditioning, which actually could make him a very good defender at the next level, provided he puts his mind into it. He's not fast in the open court, however. But he's very good at a number of key NBA indicators, which will make him stand out here and then some.

Get to his actual skills and you see a similar picture: he'll be a very good scorer in the next level, and where he'll make his money is that he's highly interesting offensively. He's far from a "mutual exclusion" sort of player, as Babbitt takes a lot of long 2-point jumpers (an excellent proposition, since he shoots extremely well on them), but he doesn't slash too often, nor does he finish well around the basket. In fact, he spends most of his day taking long 2's, despite the fact that he's decent at getting to the line and shoots very well from three (so that's an interesting decision). But, he's also decent at getting to the line (only six players used higher possessions and got there better than he did). Between his 89% free throw shooting, lights-out mid range shooting and 42% three point shooting for his career, I'd really call him one of the best shooters in the league the moment he steps out on the court. That will almost be a guaranteed asset for the team that drafts him. Moreover, an underappreciated quality of his game is that he's a very smart player (rarely turns the ball and fouls).

Babbitt, however, has quite a number of flaws that will limit him from becoming a star at the next level. A major gripe I have with him, in fact, is that despite the fact that he's very decent in many different athletic indicators, and the potential he might have defensively because of it, his team defense really needs severe work, and individually he struggles to intercept passes, so he doesn't really use his athleticism all that well. Also, he's not very active around the basket on the offensive side of the court, getting few dunks (despite his vertical) and tip-ins. He certainly is a very good defensive rebounder, a trait that enhances his shooting value (most shooters can't rebound, slash, or have the physical attributes he does). Finally, his impact is questionable: he hasn't really made his team better, and his team defense as mentioned has been very poor.

Overall, I'm really high on Babbitt, as the guy has a number of things that entice me. He's a pure shooter (probably will be one of the best in the league) but on top of that he gets to the line very solidly, has a number of good physical markers and rebounds on the defensive side of the ball very well--considering how shooters are a premium in the league, the fact that he combines three other very good NBA-appealing qualities means he'll definitely get drafted in the lottery. Moreover, his scoring is go-to guy sort of quality in this league, so I don't doubt that he can become a 17-20 point per game scorer in this league at all. Why he probably won't go further than 2nd fiddle or all-out star is because his defense, both individually and team, is quite questionable, as is his impact. Moreover, while he's a good all-around athlete, he doesn't maximize it in a number of areas, but will flash it from time to time with defensive rebounding and slashing, mostly.

I sense a lot of Mike Miller out of Babbitt actually, and if I recall Miller wasn't a good passer early in his career but developed it later on--and I think he has the goods to reach that ceiling. He's almost a certified upper echelon role player at the worst IMO, and I think if we see him at #12 we should definitely get him. Our SFs (Garcia, Nocioni) are injury prone/discontent/aging, and we could afford younger blood and a multifaceted pure shooter to pair with Reke, as that would complement him. The more I think about this, the more I like the idea.

Sorry for the gushing post, I just like this guy's game a lot.


 
Babbitt is actually one of my favorite players. Yeah, as others have stated here, he definitely won't be available at #25, and at #12 I might just pull the trigger because I don't really like the late lotto/early teens portion of the draft in terms of value (well, if Greg Monroe drops here...). He has a solid enough wingspan, and surprisingly was actually one of the best leapers in this year's draft class as well, which definitely elevates his stock. He combines that leaping ability with very good strength, lateral quickness, and conditioning, which actually could make him a very good defender at the next level, provided he puts his mind into it. He's not fast in the open court, however. But he's very good at a number of key NBA indicators, which will make him stand out here and then some.​


Get to his actual skills and you see a similar picture: he'll be a very good scorer in the next level, and where he'll make his money is that he's highly interesting offensively. He's far from a "mutual exclusion" sort of player, as Babbitt takes a lot of long 2-point jumpers (an excellent proposition, since he shoots extremely well on them), but he doesn't slash too often, nor does he finish well around the basket. In fact, he spends most of his day taking long 2's, despite the fact that he's decent at getting to the line and shoots very well from three (so that's an interesting decision). But, he's also decent at getting to the line (only six players used higher possessions and got there better than he did). Between his 89% free throw shooting, lights-out mid range shooting and 42% three point shooting for his career, I'd really call him one of the best shooters in the league the moment he steps out on the court. That will almost be a guaranteed asset for the team that drafts him. Moreover, an underappreciated quality of his game is that he's a very smart player (rarely turns the ball and fouls).​

Babbitt, however, has quite a number of flaws that will limit him from becoming a star at the next level. A major gripe I have with him, in fact, is that despite the fact that he's very decent in many different athletic indicators, and the potential he might have defensively because of it, his team defense really needs severe work, and individually he struggles to intercept passes, so he doesn't really use his athleticism all that well. Also, he's not very active around the basket on the offensive side of the court, getting few dunks (despite his vertical) and tip-ins. He certainly is a very good defensive rebounder, a trait that enhances his shooting value (most shooters can't rebound, slash, or have the physical attributes he does). Finally, his impact is questionable: he hasn't really made his team better, and his team defense as mentioned has been very poor.​

Overall, I'm really high on Babbitt, as the guy has a number of things that entice me. He's a pure shooter (probably will be one of the best in the league) but on top of that he gets to the line very solidly, has a number of good physical markers and rebounds on the defensive side of the ball very well--considering how shooters are a premium in the league, the fact that he combines three other very good NBA-appealing qualities means he'll definitely get drafted in the lottery. Moreover, his scoring is go-to guy sort of quality in this league, so I don't doubt that he can become a 17-20 point per game scorer in this league at all. Why he probably won't go further than 2nd fiddle or all-out star is because his defense, both individually and team, is quite questionable, as is his impact. Moreover, while he's a good all-around athlete, he doesn't maximize it in a number of areas, but will flash it from time to time with defensive rebounding and slashing, mostly.​

I sense a lot of Mike Miller out of Babbitt actually, and if I recall Miller wasn't a good passer early in his career but developed it later on--and I think he has the goods to reach that ceiling. He's almost a certified upper echelon role player at the worst IMO, and I think if we see him at #12 we should definitely get him. Our SFs (Garcia, Nocioni) are injury prone/discontent/aging, and we could afford younger blood and a multifaceted pure shooter to pair with Reke, as that would complement him. The more I think about this, the more I like the idea.​

Sorry for the gushing post, I just like this guy's game a lot.​

In this particular case, you and I are in love with the same player. When you watch a lot of college ball you get attached to quite a few players. And there are those, that for some reason just stand out. Babbitt is one of those guys. I agree with the flaws you listed. But at the same time those are common flaws for a lot of players coming out of college. And when you look at what Babbitt can do, you have to be impressed.

He has a great mid-range game, and as you stated, he gets to the line a lot, and is almost automatic there. He's also one of the better shooters while being off balance. Which shows he has tremendous focus while in the act of shooting. The dude's got to grow his hair back though. I can't get used to seeing him in that crewcut.
 
Baja, agreed. He's my top choice at #12, actually.

Apollo--Paul George is one guy who, when I first heard about him, he caught my eye. Physically and skillwise, he reminds me of Trevor Ariza a little at first glance, and I'm into those sort of long lanky SFs. Physically, he's an oversized SF, at 6'9", and has a long standing reach and conditions himself extremely well--although he's quite weak at the moment. Skillwise, his best asset, in my view, is his deflections ability--he's a top 5 stealer among SFs in college (and should be a top one in the NBA) and is an above average shotblocker as well, a testament to his length and lateral quickness--again, with his build, looks like he can become an Ariza-like roaming defender. The deflections coupled with his physical tools and probably his ticket to the late lottery to mid-1st.

Everything else is also very similar to Ariza--he's probably a slightly above average scorer at the next level, but good enough to play fourth or fifth fiddle offensively at his peak. Offensively, he actually shows some slight mutual exclusion--he's a preferred three point shooter, but can also get to the line while doing so, as only five other players had a higher three/free throw rate than he did. Moreover, he's a good three point shooter, and with his inclination to take them, this might become an asset at the next level, a fact that could be verified by the fact he shot 91% on free throws this year. But the offense has holes--George severely lacks a mid-range game and can't shoot on them, and he doesn't slash often at all despite the athleticism, and will never be in the fray for tip-ins. He does get to the line well for someone who doesn't slash so much, however, and will dunk some.

George really, really seems similar to a current day Trevor Ariza, down from the long and lanky build to the deflections that he garners. Moreover, he's a specialist offensively who really loves and can shoot the three pointer well, but at the expense of under-utilizing the athleticism offensively and lacking an in-between game. Like Ariza, he has court vision but questionable handles, with good passing but high turnover rates, and has the possession rate to be fit as a role player. George is also a middling rebounder. It's almost like a carbon-copy clone of Ariza, to the point that when he comes to the NBA he'll probably generate the same sort of production over time.

George ultimately is a specialist role player--three point shooter offensively with some slashing, and deflections master defensively, and with his physical tools that's good enough to entice teams to take him at the mid-1st at the latest, given that with his niche there's really little downside, or bust potential, with him. What you see with him is probably what you get as he's fitting a niche (his offense is flawed 20' in), but he'll make a valuable role player at the next level.

I wouldn't take him at #12, honestly, unless Babbitt and Monroe are gone, which could cause me to think twice. But he's a guy who will probably go between #12 and #25, which means he's not for us. I do like the guy, however, and think his deflections and three point shooting, again, would make a nice pair with Reke.
 
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