Let's discuss new guys (from June 2016)

Isaiah Cousins reminds me of CJ Watson. Very good backup and great value pick at #59. Won't blow you away with his physical tools, but is tough as nails and competes. Decent passer and shots +40% from 3.

Watching Papa play, he has potential to be a more athletic Marc Gasol IMO without the passing ability.
 
After a night of sleep, I'm more okay with the draft.

Vlade attempted to trade up to get Dunn but wasn't able to make it happen. Unfortunate, but he tried.
Gerogios was an unknown by most of us, but he does have potential, and Vlade took him because he believes he can be an all star.
Kings are low on talent (especially young talent) so Vlade essentially turns #8 and a negative asset into 4 1st round talents (Georgios, Bogdan, Malachi, & Skal). That;s not bad. Hit on a couple of them and you're looking at a very successful draft.

Interested to see if Vlade thinks Geogios & Cousins could be a good pairing. Cousins reportedly dropped 18 pounds. Perhaps in a few years Cousins/Georgios has the potential to be a rich mans Gasol/Randolph (not to mention we still have Cauley-Stein).

If nothing else, it sounds like Vlade took BPA (which for a team that is low on talent and for a team that has trouble signing big time FAs) is not the worst thing in the world. #8 wasn't going to help us be competitive this year (most likely) so we acquired 4 1st round talents to hopefully replenish our youth and upcoming talent with the plan of using trades & FA signings to improve the team.

If everything hits, we picked up an all star center, a 3&D wing, Ibaka, Ginobli, & a 3&D PG. It obviously sounds great when you put it like that and it's more than likely that not all will hit, but again, we just need a few to hit for this to be a successful draft.
 
Everyone will say Richardson is bold offensively. He will look to get his points if he has the ball. He can shoot off the dribble, he can spot shoot, he's got deep range, he can move off screens or curl, he can stop on a dime and shoot in your face.

That's enough to get some bench minutes.

His size is good and so is his length. So some of the prowess will translate to the NBA.
Lol, Richardson should thank Dejounte Murray for not having worst efficiency among first-rounders. He takes so many bad shots, he'll probably spend more time in Reno than in Sacramento. And he's nothing special on D either, which is how rookies with bad offense earn PT.
 
This is the point a lot of us are missing when we're saying we didn't draft for need or that we drafted too many big men. Acy and Moreland are gone. They've been replaced with first round talent with tremendous upside. We replaced Marco with Richardson who should have more all around game and Can't play worse than Marco did even if he tried.

Many of us thought DC should or could be the starter on this team. If that's the case, we just need a backup PG and we drafted a decent one by all accounts. If Vlade didn't think any of the PGs after Dunn could beat out DC, then it didn't make sense to draft them at this time. Same goes if we're looking to bring back Rondo or go after Conley.

I think this is how people have to view this draft.

The Kings currently have huge question marks at PG (just Collison who has been charged with DV) and McLemore is the best SG on the roster. So for the draft to really have a major impact THIS season for a team wanting to win now they'd have to draft a PG ready to start or a SG who would be better than Ben in his rookie year.

Kris Dunn is the only PG who could possibly be a starting PG for a playoff team but even then he's going to struggle with his defense until he settles in and he had WAY too many turnovers in college. I could really only see him being the starting PG on a team with a ballhandling/playmaking SG like Chicago or Houston. I think Dunn will be very good but pretty much every PG not named Magic Johnson struggle as rookies and can't be counted on for a team looking to win immediately. Personally I think Dunn is 2-3 years from being a PG I want running a playoff team. And I love his tools but I agree with the statement that Dunn is essentially John Wall with B+ athleticism instead of A+. Not bad, but not transcendent.

The only SG with a chance to be better than Ben as a rookie is Buddy Hield but (1) I think he'll struggle more in the NBA than people realize and (2) I don't think his ceiling is that high. And both Dunn and Hield were of course gone anyway.

So for a team wanting to win now they need to address the starters through FA and trade. I wanted Baldwin and Luwawu but neither of those guys will be difference makers as rookies. And with Baldwin either the Kings liked Papagiannis a lot more and/or they weren't as impressed with Baldwin. Denver took Jokic in the 2nd round despite having Nurkic and Jokic was a top five rookie last season. If Papagiannis happens to be that level of player he's a good pick in a weak draft.

But I don't know if this draft will pan out. I don't know Papagiannis at all other than what I've read/watched last night and today and Labissiere and Richardson weren't guys I liked at all. But IF Vlade & co are right on any or all of them it's the right approach. Grab guys that you think will be something and let them develop. It's a Spurs-like approach. Don't worry about how much rookies can help right now, just get the most talent you can and by the time they are ready to contribute the roster may be different anyway. But it's only Spurs-like if the players turn out to be something.

Maybe we will look back and most of us will be right that Baldwin, Luwawu and D. Murray, or Zubac would have been far better. But saying that we know that for sure today is ridiculous. Sure, the roster would look more balanced on paper with a 2 or 3 guards drafted but all that really matters is who ends up being the most talented in a couple years.

We'll see.
 
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After my normal, yearly arm chair GM'ing and ensuing hissy fit, I am feeling a tad better about the draft. Still not thrilled but there seems to be some potential there with a few of these guys. Still lots of holes and needs to fill though
 
I think this is how people have to view this draft.

The Kings currently have huge question marks at PG (just Collison who has been charged with DV) and McLemore is the best SG on the roster. So for the draft to really have a major impact THIS season for a team wanting to win now they'd have to draft a PG ready to start or a SG who would be better than Ben in his rookie year.

Kris Dunn is the only PG who could possibly be a starting PG for a playoff team but even then he's going to struggle with his defense until he settles in and he had WAY too many turnovers in college. I could really only see him being the starting PG on a team with a ballhandling/playmaking SG like Chicago or Houston. I think Dunn will be very good but pretty much every PG not named Magic Johnson struggle as rookies and can't be counted on for a team looking to win immediately.

The only SG with a chance to be better than Ben as a rookie is Buddy Hield but (1) I think he'll struggle more in the NBA than people realize and (2) I don't think his ceiling is that high. And both Dunn and Hield were of course gone anyway.

So for a team wanting to win now they need to address the starters through FA and trade. I wanted Baldwin and Luwawu but neither of those guys will be difference makers as rookies. And with Baldwin either the Kings liked Papagiannis a lot more and/or they weren't as impressed with Baldwin.

I don't know if this draft will pan out. I don't know Papagiannis at all other than what I've read/watched last night and today and Labissiere and Richardson weren't guys I liked at all. But IF Vlade & co are right on any or all of them it's the right approach. Grab guys that you think will be something and let them develop. It's a Spurs-like approach. Don't worry about how much rookies can help right now, just get the most talent you can and by the time they are ready to contribute the roster may be different anyway.

Maybe we will look back and most of us will be right that Baldwin, Luwawu and D. Murray, or Zubac would have been far better. But saying that we know that for sure today is ridiculous. Sure, the roster would look more balanced on paper with a 2 or 3 guards drafted but all that really matters is who ends up being the most talented in a couple years.

We'll see.

True. And I'll add that if this is as weak a draft as everyone thinks it is and there are no players to contribute right away, then you absolutely go for the biggest risk/reward guys. You just have to hit on one of them.
 
IMO this draft only makes sense if we unload Cousins. Again, MO, this needs to be our highest priority right now.

If Cousins didn't do what Kayte C said this morning, get up, and march right into the FO and ask for a trade ASAP then I really have to question his sanity. The writings on the wall big fella. Your 26. It's time to go.
Our roster isn't even set for next year....maybe Cuz will wait until then. ;)
 
I have been in the High Sierra all week with no Internet/TV. All I can say is WOW! Vlade turned the #8 pick and Marco into 3 First Round picks and Bogdan Boganovic. If these guys turn into rotation players it will be a great draft. If one or two become starters this move by Vlade will be legendary:) Isaiah Cousins is a nice pick in the late 2nd round
 
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Papa looks like Nurkic of the Nuggets to me. Very good hands, mobility for his size, good touch around the rim, looks to have good IQ, could be good low post scorer, decent passer/decision maker.
 
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Lol, Richardson should thank Dejounte Murray for not having worst efficiency among first-rounders. He takes so many bad shots, he'll probably spend more time in Reno than in Sacramento. And he's nothing special on D either, which is how rookies with bad offense earn PT.

I have a hard time seeing him hording the ball with people like Cousins, and Rudy on the roster.

The offensive tools are there.

His size is good to potentially be a good defender, but I'm not even worried about his D right now as I see enough to get some floor time off the bench.

At 22 and in this draft, I like the pick just fine. Also his lane agility was good too at the combine.
 
For every guy who grows into something like Marc Gasol, there's 50 others that don't come close. The only reason people are comparing him to Gasol is because Joerger is here. It is absolutely way too early to tell what this guy is going to turn into. Other than a big body, he has nothing in common with Gasol at the moment. How many players in the last 20 years have played like Gasol at that size?
 
Doesn't sound too bad. Worst case, only one of Papagiannis, Labissiere, Richardson, I. Cousins, and Bogdanovic will turn out to be a contributor in the NBA. Compare that with Marco + talent at #8. So its one playable young talent vs old talent + maybe playable young talent. I question the Papagiannis pick only, but I will assume the kings FO (not just Vlade) know what they are doing. The other acquisitions were pretty good.

r/theydidthemath

If we assume that each player has a 50% chance of becoming a playable talent, then the chance that at least one of our five new guys will be playable is 50% + 25% + 12.5% + 6.25% + 3.125% = 96.875%
 
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Richardson could be something down the line. Certainly doesn't lack confidence, decent shooter and pretty good attacking the basket off the dribble. Long arms, could be a good defender down the line. I think all four picks could be good players, all depends on their work ethic and us developing them the right way. But yeah you can't expect too much from them next season. I can see Papa getting backup C minutes(about 15). Actually pretty good moves from Vlade, knowing we will be down picks in the future(probably as soon as next season), you pick up 3 young guys this year plus a nice little ace in the hole in Bogdanovic to bring over next season. With these guys on board I would expect guys like Moreland and Dukan to be gone.
 
I don't know if this is credible, but I read on twitter that Celtics had Papa John on their board at 16, and the Pistons wanted him at 18 very much.

If so, Vlade didn't brain freeze... he did what he had to do to get the asset he wanted.

Does anybody know if Celtics and Pistons really had their eye on Papa John in the teens?
 
I don't know if this is credible, but I read on twitter that Celtics had Papa John on their board at 16, and the Pistons wanted him at 18 very much.

If so, Vlade didn't brain freeze... he did what he had to do to get the asset he wanted.

Does anybody know if Celtics and Pistons really had their eye on Papa John in the teens?

Vlade said that they knew he wouldn't last past the 18th pick.
 
What I don't get is if the Pistons wanted him at 18, why would Vlade try and trade with the Pistons to get the 18th pick? Unless he was banking on them taking someone else at 13.
 
my issue is not that we picked up a bunch of prospects, but with the way the roster is currently constructed, how are these guys all going to get minutes? How are we going to develop and groom this young talent? This seems like it would have been a great draft for a rebuilding team, but not so much for a squad that's trying to win right now. I sincerely hope these guys all pan out, but it feels like it's going to be a challenge to develop everyone. Seems like we're already planning for the eventual departure of Demarcus
Most of them will be developing in Reno in their rookie year. Finally we got that fraud of a coach in the D-League and will start using the team in a way it should have been used from the start, to develop players for the NBA team regardless of the results. That is how great teams do it.
 
What I don't get is if the Pistons wanted him at 18, why would Vlade try and trade with the Pistons to get the 18th pick? Unless he was banking on them taking someone else at 13.

That could be how he knew. They said draft him at 13 and we will do XY & Z at 18.
 
What I don't get is if the Pistons wanted him at 18, why would Vlade try and trade with the Pistons to get the 18th pick? Unless he was banking on them taking someone else at 13.
Because none of these, ie: Pistons want him at 18; trading with Pistons for the 18th pick; Boston at 16, which they drafted a PF there, (and I can go on) are exactly science.
 
What I don't get is if the Pistons wanted him at 18, why would Vlade try and trade with the Pistons to get the 18th pick? Unless he was banking on them taking someone else at 13.

He may have meant the 18th was as far back as he could trade and still get him. i.e., he knew he wouldn't be there at #22 because somebody in the #19-#21 range would take him.
 
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Good haul by Vlade. I'll slumber until Free Agency signing starts.
An agile 7'2" with already good basketball fundamentals at 18 is a premium big.

Roy Hibbert picked at 17 of a very deep draft of 2008 turned out great after a year of NBA conditioning.
But Hibbert's agility when drafted is far too inferior to what I see on Papa's clips.
If Papa can come-in this year at a regular 8-10 mins a game, this pick is worth it.

And Bogdan is so much better than any SG in this draft. So great trade but severely underrated picks by Vlade.
But I'm quite optimistic though.

And I don't see DMC packing his bag at all. He will still eat up 30-35 mpg this season.
 
Hello!

Some infos about George Papagiannis. He is 18 (soon to be 19) but keeps growing. It wouldnt surprise me if he becomes 7-3 feet tall before too long. He didnt play much in his previous team. Offensively almost everything around the rim were dunks and hookshots. During the last months, he worked extremely hard to add in his arsenal a midrange shot and 3's. His 3-point accuracy was what impressed mostly the representatives of 20 NBA teams who attended his recent pre-draft workout in Temple University. Yesterday he stated in Greek media that recently he hit 49 of 55 3s in practice. But of course it remains to show this also in games.

Some videos hitting 3s in a row in practicse from his instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BG4QcqmBvH2/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BG19EP9hvPM/?taken-by=g_p_06…

In order to have a better approach on his strengths and weaknesses, you can read the detailed scouting notes for Papa from Joshua Ridden (Draftexpress)

Georgios Papagiannis
Team: Panathinaikos
Age: 18
Stage in career: Greek League with some minimal Euroleague experience

Executive Summary

18 year old 7'2" center with potential to fill a big man role: Dunker, pick and roll player and rim protector but has to grow tougher and stronger

Detailed Scouting Notes
- 7'2" center
- 18 year old playing in the Greek league
- soon to be 19 (July 97)
- In the Greek league he plays for one of the two best teams but doesnt get a ton of minutes.
- 10 minutes per game - rotation player but doesn't get a ton of minutes
- Good athlete - definitely not a stiff
- Can run to the rim in transition ahead of defense
- Good first step for a 7 footer to turn on jets past opposing big man
- Wingspan not measured - looks to have long arms
- Skinny, not very strong right now - room to add strength
- Mobile for his size, quick off the ground
- Doesn't get as high as similar players (DAJ, Rudy) but vertical is sufficient to get above most players
- Good roller off ball screens - tags his opponent hard to free ball handler and runs to front of rim
- Can finish lobs for dunks or catch and go up for a layin
- Solid hands around basket - going to make a lot of catches with length and soft hands
- Catches off target passes
- Quick to the rim - defender can't recover in time, help defense isn't big enough to challenge
- Not a dominant post up player - still learning
- Doesn't have the strength to bury his opponent under the rim - has to rely on reach to get shots off
- Everything is a hook shot - better with his right although he will try with his left
- Tries to back his defender down with a few dribbles before going to his hook shot
- Doesn't have any counters but didn't really need them yet - will have to develop footwork
- Willing passer out of the post - isn't going to force anything when doubled
- Won't get flustered by double team - can see floor and pass over defense
- Can get his shot majority of time in Greek league - has to be confident on ball against NBA defenders
- Accurate passer - zips ball to his teammates on the wing for 3's
- Not going to turn the ball over, willing passer
- Shoots alot of the time he touches because he's in position to dunk but can pass out of the post
- Doesn't have a wide array of offensive skills but he has what you want for a 7 footer
- Can get points in the post, ball screen and finish, dunk around the rim
- 65-70% career FT shooter - can he add a midrange shot or 3? - May need to find a way to score other than just at the rim
- Will offensive rebound - 3.5 per 40 - will run to front of rim, agile to chase down loose balls
- Defensive potential - can protect the paint
- 2.8 blocks per 40 - good timing, instincts
- Gets off the ground quickly, can block guys from the front or behind
- Not lost out on the perimeter - moves his feet well
- Active hands, mobile feet - comfortable stepping out and switching pick and rolls
- Guys can get by him eventually but he makes it tough and will stay with guard to challenge shot
- Needs to add strength to guard post - can get bullied
- Can be a dominant defensive rebounder - goes to front of rim, can't be outjumped
- Good energy level -limited minutes but always looks to be engaged
- Can he keep up activity level in larger minutes?
- Never been a high minutes rotation player - even in Greece youth teams
- Never cracked 30 minutes per game - usually a 20 minutes per game player
- Has to improve conditioning to bring high energy in bigger minutes
- Needs to become tougher and stronger - still young and developing

Pro Outlook
- Worth a late first/early second round pick
- Would select anywhere from 25-40
- Will likely need some time to add strength, fill out frame and improve conditioning before becoming a NBA player but still young
- Can turn into that anchor from the center spot teams want - control the paint on both ends
- Will be athletic enough against his NBA counterparts
- Can pay off 2-3 years down the line and become a starting center if he can become better conditioned
- Will be a valuable backup big either way if he can only play limited minutes
- Good two way player - doesn't have the highest ceiling as a superstar but fills roles on both ends
 
I don't know if this is credible, but I read on twitter that Celtics had Papa John on their board at 16, and the Pistons wanted him at 18 very much.

If so, Vlade didn't brain freeze... he did what he had to do to get the asset he wanted.

Does anybody know if Celtics and Pistons really had their eye on Papa John in the teens?

I don't know how credible those reports are but it could make some sense if Ainge wanted Papagiannis at 16 and Yabusele at 23 (they seem like they would be nice compliments to one another actually) and when the Kings grabbed big Papa the Celts nabbed Yabusele there instead. Also makes sense given that the C's drafted a center at 23 anyway.
 
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