Lebron caught up in his own hype? Apparently called arenas an effing wimp...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050601306.html

Heart of Wizards' Problem Is That They Have None

By Michael Wilbon
Sunday, May 7, 2006; Page E01

We know what to make of LeBron James now, but not entirely what to make of the Washington Wizards in the agony of their defeat.

The playoffs, in any professional sport, are a cold-blooded affair, and James appears perfectly suited to the occasion -- from making the plays a winner makes to issuing personal challenges. You really don't know what players and teams are made of until they're put to the test of the postseason.


What we might have been forced to conclude after watching the Cavaliers eliminate the Wizards, four games to two, is that Washington has a nice team with some highly-skilled players while Cleveland, in James, has a kid with a competitive heartlessness that is required of most champions.

The defining moment of the Wizards-Cavaliers series might have occurred late in overtime of Friday night's Game 6 when James, only 21, walked up to Washington's Gilbert Arenas while the Wizards were still leading by a point and said, "If you miss both of those free throws, the game is over."

There are only a handful of players bold enough to do what James did at that moment, which is to call out an all-star playing at home, standing on the foul line with the game in his hands, moments after sending the game into overtime with a remarkable play of his own.

It's a short list, really, at least over the past 25 years. We're talking about Larry Bird and Michael Jordan above everybody else. Magic Johnson might have thought it, but never would have said it, and if so only with a smile. James wasn't just talking smack; he issued a dare of sorts.

During a very similar moment in the NBA Finals nearly 10 years ago, Chicago's Scottie Pippen walked up to Karl Malone before the first of two free throws and said, "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays." Malone, not coincidentally in most minds, missed two free throws and Utah lost a razor-close game. Pippen already had four championship rings by then but certainly was emboldened by the presence of Jordan on his team.

If the Cavaliers get blasted out of the playoffs in the next round by the Pistons, which is what most folks expect, it may turn out that James's bodacious behavior is reserved only for opponents he thinks he can chump. But perhaps it will turn out that James is simply a bad, bad man.

Of course, Arenas missed both free throws.

James walked back to the bench, and hundreds of people sitting nearby saw him wave his hand in front of his throat and say to his teammates that Arenas was a "[bleeping] wimp."

No, Arenas isn't anything close to that, and James will surely try to deny it, except that too many people looked right in his mouth when he said it.

But if Arenas is going to ascend to the point that he can lead a team into championship contention, he's going to have to hit those two free throws. In fact, as good as Arenas already is, he might need to be a touch more cold-blooded himself, if that sort of heartlessness can be acquired after the age of, oh, 12.

The Wizards had the kind of postseason that makes you want to hug them one moment and scream at them the next. It's an immensely likeable team, from Eddie Jordan through the end of the bench, filled with the kind of people folks find easy to root for. There's not a Darius Miles on the bench, thank God.

On the other hand, the Wizards gave away three games they should have won, making you wonder what you have to wonder at the end of such a heartbreaking series.

What do the Wizards have to do to get better, to at least be a serious contender for the conference championship?

All over the playgrounds of D.C., and wherever hard-core basketball is discussed, it's said matter-of-factly that the Wizards don't have the "dog" in them necessary to be a contender. Just like "bad" came to mean good, "dog" in today's jargon means "edge" or "ruthlessness."

James is ruthless.

The Wizards are not.

The temptation after the local team loses a series by dropping three one-point games, two after having 14-point leads, is to make radical changes. And almost always, as the Miami Heat may soon find out, that's an overreaction.

Ruthlessness or killer instinct or the ability to close -- whatever you want to call it -- usually isn't taught. But it can be acquired. President of Basketball Operations Ernie Grunfeld has always had a keen eye for talent. Well, heartlessness, as James demonstrated in his exaggerated and surely arrogant manner Friday night, is an asset, especially when the most talented player on the team has so much dog in him. Whether through trade or free agent signing or drafting some unknown kid from some faraway place, the men scouting for the Wizards will have to do their best to find one . . . or two. A personality transplant may not be necessary, but they do need somebody who can make opponents wince and teammates a little uncomfortable from time to time.

The last thing the Wizards need is a sea change, anything that even hints of starting over. We don't know if the close losses to Cleveland suggest the Wizards are close to a playoff breakthrough; the Cavaliers, after all, started the postseason as a neophyte when it comes to the playoffs. Arenas said Friday night as he exited the arena that he planned to show up and shoot hundreds of free throws Saturday. That's a nice first step for this team. In order to get even, perhaps the Wizards need to get angry and stay that way for a while.


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I found that on pacers digest. It seems to me like Lebron's getting caught up in his own hype. When there's a foul called on him he does the dumb "Who?... ME!?!?!" face now. I like Lebron but does anyone else think the guy is getting caught up in his own hype?
 
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I don't like LBJ, never have, never will and now I have another reason, but to make that comment about Arenas was totally uncalled for. Arenas is a professional and classy as well as a very hard worker. The day after losing in the PO's and he's in the gym working on his FT's. If I was him I'd kick his butt and show him how unwimpy he is, but really it doesn't even dignify a response.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Larry Bird v. Dominique Wilkens.


And BTW, kind of the last remaining piece for LBJ. If he is acquiring that *******/arrogance that Jordan and Bird had, its over for the rest of the league.
 
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"Lebron caught up in his own hype?"

Of course...I knew that the day he called himself "Kings James" while still in high school!!

(I agree with your post loopy)
 
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There isn't a more dangerous combination than arrogance and the goods to back it up. Kid's going to be very unstoppable, very soon.
 
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Fillmoe

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first you love them... then they get too big and you hate em... happens with every star

it wasnt that serious if him and arenas hugged each other after the game.....
 
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I enjoyed the series greatly, I like both Arenas and James, they're amazing players. James could eclipse Jordan as being the best player to ever play just think what this kid is doing at 21. In my opinion, arrogance isn't "bad" if you can back it up, and well James can definatley back it up.
 
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thesanityannex

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Question for those who think what LeBron did is wrong: Anyone who has played sports at a high level knows this type of trash talking goes on ALL THE TIME. LeBron's actions were quite mellow compared to other things said on the court. Are you dissappointed in the fact that he is too young to do this, or it was at a crucial time in the game?
 
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screw lebron. the guy got outplayed by arenas and still had the balls and arrogance to talk crap to him, thats just very immature. the cavs getting swept will hardly humble him though im sure. at this rate, he shouldnt have any trouble surpassing kobe in the arrogance department.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Pure gamesmanship. I mean walk up to a guy, suggest that he can't afford to choke the FTs, and then watch as he chokes them...good stuff. Its not "nice". But its part of that competitive jerkness that the greatest players often have. If you'd told me that was Bird or Jordan doing that, I wouldn't have blinked.
 
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thesanityannex

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Would anyone here be complaining if Artest did the same thing to Ginobli, and Ginobli pulled a choke job at the line?














I highly doubt it.
 

SLAB

Hall of Famer
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thesanityannex said:
Would anyone here be complaining if Artest did the same thing to Ginobli, and Ginobli pulled a choke job at the line?














I highly doubt it.
WORD!

I hate when there are double standards against certain players.

I think when your a 21 year old who averages 30/7/7 and just won the first round in ten years you have a right to say something, especially in the heat of the battle.

If he had said it to the media after, then Id question in, but this is nothing.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Pure gamesmanship. I mean walk up to a guy, suggest that he can't afford to choke the FTs, and then watch as he chokes them...good stuff. Its not "nice". But its part of that competitive jerkness that the greatest players often have. If you'd told me that was Bird or Jordan doing that, I wouldn't have blinked.
Agree 100%.

A lot of the NBA "specialists" have been talking about how LBJ needs to find a few rivals in the league in order to push him over the edge and bring his game to new levels. Kind of like how Bird & Magic had each other, etc, etc. I don't have a problem with what he did, he's an amazing player. It's not like he came out in the media and called Arena as wimp after a hard fought series by both teams. He was caught up in the moment and said something to his teammates.

I think LBJ is going to be an amazing player, pretty much already is, and he's only 21 :eek:.
 
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Good. I'm tired of all these little mama's boys man-hugging each other during games, and every hard foul being a flagrant now. The NBA needs to get tougher. Most high school rivalries are more intense than these playoff games have been.

Now all we need is for Lebron to use his influence to keep Kobe off the national team, like MJ did Zeke, and then we'll really have a fun league again.

I AM A WITNESS!!
 
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AriesMar27

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i find it funny that people are upset over what he said in the first round when he is down 30 against the pistons.... if he calls rip or prince a wimp then we can say he has balls...

they are down 101-69 with 8:21 left in the 4th....

i am a witness, of mediocrity.....
 

VF21

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I find it funny that you're comparing the two situations.

And I, for one, am not about to dump on a team for being blown out in a playoff game.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
i find it funny that people are upset over what he said in the first round when he is down 30 against the pistons.... if he calls rip or prince a wimp then we can say he has balls...

they are down 101-69 with 8:21 left in the 4th....

i am a witness, of mediocrity.....
i was going to post something similar but ended up taking a nap instead. i agree that he would never call rip or chauncey a wimp, that would be funny. i had a feeling this game would turn out this way, and couldnt be happier to be honest. go pistons!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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striker said:
Looks like the Pistons are making LeBron a bit of an effing whimp today.
Now did you watch that game?

If you did, you would have noticed that LeBron poured in 20 or 22 in the first half. He was ready for the big time. His teammates however...

Was also true that the Pistons just had one of those games where it was ridiculous -- at one point they had shot 11 of 12 from the three point line. :eek: They couldn't duplicate that in an empty gym.

This whole situation is oddly reminscient of the early MJ years. His team makes the playoffs, and year after year just cannot get by the Pistons (of the Bad Boy era). Finally they get old, he hits his prime, and its 6 titles in 8 years.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Now did you watch that game?

If you did, you would have noticed that LeBron poured in 20 or 22 in the first half. He was ready for the big time. His teammates however...

Was also true that the Pistons just had one of those games where it was ridiculous -- at one point they had shot 11 of 12 from the three point line. :eek: They couldn't duplicate that in an empty gym.

This whole situation is oddly reminscient of the early MJ years. His team makes the playoffs, and year after year just cannot get by the Pistons (of the Bad Boy era). Finally they get old, he hits his prime, and its 6 titles in 8 years.
he had 20 or 22 in the first half and ended up with 22 for the game? where the hell was he in the third or fourth? i just dont see a true great player like kobe or mj disappearing like that