Larry Sanders?

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#32
He's had problems before that I thought were correctable. Part of that is because he seems like such an intelligent, well-spoken guy off the court and I can't really reconcile that with the reputation he has for misbehaving. It was in that context that I thought it would be a good idea to trade for him. Cousins has a similar reputation with other teams who only see him acting out on the court and don't see the person he is off the court. And if you have a coach who can handle his personality, you're getting a terrific front-court compliment to Cousins out of it. That being said, there are so many red flags around Larry at this point, I've got to withdraw my support until something changes. I think he's a smart guy based on interviews and a hell of a defensive player when he wants to be but he obviously has personal issues which are preventing him from doing his job and a pattern of poor decision-making on top of that. I hope he works it out, but I wouldn't take the risk right now.
Except Demarcus has NEVER had any offcourt/non-basketball related issues (even his feud with Sean Elliot was the product of basketball discussion) whereas Larry Sanders keeps finding ways to shoot himself in the foot off the court.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#34
Not even distinctly similar. Not to mention Chris Webber is at least five times the player Larry Sanders will ever be.
I don't know Tetsujin, Webber also failed a drug test for marijuana as a King so clearly that issue didn't go away even later in his career. And he forced a trade away from the team that gave up 3 future first round picks to get him after just one year because he couldn't get along with Don Nelson. And he was facing charges for assaulting a police officer at the time we traded for him. I'm not arguing the last part, clearly Webber was at least five times the player Larry Sanders is. I am saying Webber's track record as a "problem child" at the time we traded for him was just as bad as Sanders' and no one would argue that that trade was a mistake.
 
#39
He just signed a huge contract. This is not really the same scenario as the Rudy Gay trade. If we trade for Sanders we are stuck with him for several seasons.
High risk with a potential high reward.
 
#40
I don't know Tetsujin, Webber also failed a drug test for marijuana as a King so clearly that issue didn't go away even later in his career. And he forced a trade away from the team that gave up 3 future first round picks to get him after just one year because he couldn't get along with Don Nelson. And he was facing charges for assaulting a police officer at the time we traded for him. I'm not arguing the last part, clearly Webber was at least five times the player Larry Sanders is. I am saying Webber's track record as a "problem child" at the time we traded for him was just as bad as Sanders' and no one would argue that that trade was a mistake.
But webber was an all star BEFORE we got him. A legit 20/10 guy with extraordinary talent for both of the two seasons before acquiring him. Not a head case who couldn't stay on the court.

Larry Sanders is currently a 7.3ppg/6.1 rebound guy. The ultimate single single guy.

Theres just no comparison.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#41
You guys are getting sidetracked by a whole other discussion we're not actually having. Nobody has suggested Larry Sanders is a comparable player to Chris Webber. Ignoring the obvious correlation I was referring to so you can nitpick a wholly unrelated issue seems counterproductive to me. I already agreed Sanders isn't worth the risk.

For what it's worth, he was the best interior defender in the league 2 years ago and missed most of last season because James Harden elbowed him in the face and he needed reconstructive surgery. The barfight related injury was only six weeks.
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#42
You guys are getting sidetracked by a whole other discussion we're not actually having. Nobody has suggested Larry Sanders is a comparable player to Chris Webber. Ignoring the obvious correlation I was referring to so you can nitpick a wholly unrelated issue seems counterproductive to me. I already agreed Sanders isn't worth the risk.

For what it's worth, he was the best interior defender in the league 2 years ago and missed most of last season because James Harden elbowed him in the face and he needed reconstructive surgery. The barfight related injury was only six weeks.
Well you're also leaving out the drug suspension he had to serve at the end of the season.

Absolutely no one is saying that Larry Sanders isn't talented or sucks at basketball, what most of us are saying is that at his cost and with his history it would take a hell of a sweet deal to get us to support taking him in.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#43
Well you're also leaving out the drug suspension he had to serve at the end of the season.

Absolutely no one is saying that Larry Sanders isn't talented or sucks at basketball, what most of us are saying is that at his cost and with his history it would take a hell of a sweet deal to get us to support taking him in.
I have my suspicions about what is wrong with him and think he will always be hampered. BUT, he sure can be better than what we have if matched with the right coach and that is not Corbin.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#44
Well you're also leaving out the drug suspension he had to serve at the end of the season.

Absolutely no one is saying that Larry Sanders isn't talented or sucks at basketball, what most of us are saying is that at his cost and with his history it would take a hell of a sweet deal to get us to support taking him in.
I didn't intentionally leave that out, in the context of the conversation I thought that was understood. In fact, the second marijuana suspension in less than a year is why I've decided he's too risky to trade for at his current contract.