Landry for Beasley?

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It isn't often a #2 pick is available. The guy has talent.
 
They want cap space this saves them nothing. Beasley for our 2nd round pick only. And before people say the Heat wouldnt do it they just might at this point if they want his cap space. They couldnt trade him at the deadline either.
 
Hate on Beasely all you want, but I do recall people liking him when he was in college and hoping we had a chance at him. The guy is a little immature but he's also 21 years-old and rich. He has learned responsibility just yet get him around a good support group and he'll be fine. As for his abilities he has way more talent and higher potential than Landry who probably isn't going to get any better. Landry is also 27 years old. You trade him and your 2nd round pick and get 6 years younger and take a swing at a former number 2 pick. I like Landry a lot still didn't think we got a lot out of the K-Mart trade but that's a whole other discussion. I like the trade Beasely can only get better Landry has peaked out.
 
I'd probably do that trade just because Landry isn't that much to give up IMO. I don't like Beasley though, I think he's early Antawn Jamison at his very best. He's too much of a headcase though to became anything special. That's who he is and that's who he has always been. He's a tweener and he can't defend the 3 or the 4. Miami doesn't do this deal anyway.
 
No you probably don't. Its not just Beasely's shortcomings -- he's a midget who can't or won't play D and will never be a great rebounder unless he gets into a 6'8" and under league. Its of course that he is a potential chemistry problem, a druggie lacking dedication, smarts and stability. And he didn't get ANY better this season, which raises real questions about what his future holds. At his current level he's really at best a 6th man.

Landry is solid. People suggest trading him, but I think the odds are very low we do so. He's definitely limited, much more so than Grant and Jerry will let on. But what he does well he does very well, and he seemed to fit in seamlessly in the locker room. That is an important factor. If Toronto wanted him back in a Bosh S&T I'm sure we do it (unless we were idiots), but unless its a guaranteed huge upgrade in talent like that Carl fits our crew much better than most flawed second and third tier guys would.
 
Landry or Beasley?

dj3ptspecialist44 said:
Hate on Beasely all you want, but I do recall people liking him when he was in college and hoping we had a chance at him. The guy is a little immature but he's also 21 years-old and rich. He has learned responsibility just yet get him around a good support group and he'll be fine. As for his abilities he has way more talent and higher potential than Landry who probably isn't going to get any better. Landry is also 27 years old. You trade him and your 2nd round pick and get 6 years younger and take a swing at a former number 2 pick. I like Landry a lot still didn't think we got a lot out of the K-Mart trade but that's a whole other discussion. I like the trade Beasely can only get better Landry has peaked out.
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True, Beasley can get better, but what is he? Is he a PF in a SF body, or his he a SF that we are overloaded with?
What we have in Landry is a smallish PF who happens to know how to play in the post, where hopefully some of that will rub off on Spencer and JT. It would be nice if either Cousins or Favors were thrown into that mix.
The Kings are full of potential, as is Beasley. But you can't keep living on potential. I just don't think Riley knows what to do with Beasley and he wouldn't mind having a player like Landry. You can't see into the future but do you think Riley would take Beasley over Brook Lopez or Kevin Love if the draft were held today? I don't, IMHO of course. I guess what I'm getting at is that Landry is a better fit with the Kings than Beaseley. He's only 27. It's not like Landry is ready for the old folks home anytime soon.
 
No, no and No. For starters I didn't like Beasley that much coming out of college. Yeah he put up glitzy numbers, but whenever he had to play against someone bigger than him, he struggled. Even our own Jason Thompson outplayed him when Kansas St. played Rider. He's a player without a postion right now. He's not a true PF and he doesn't have all the skills necessary to play SF.

Landry may be limited in his upside, but right now he's a better player than Beasley. Landry is consistant. And thats something Beasley is not. And believe it or not, he's almost an inch shorter than Landry. Your talking about a 6'7" player w/o shoes on. He only shoots 45% from the field overall. Are you kidding me? Go look around the league and see what PF's ususally shoot from the floor. He shoots 27% from 3pt land. Which means to me he shouldn't be shooting them. As a bonus, he playes zero defense and rebounds like a SF or a guard.

If you want to bet on his upside I have no problem with it. But don't give up a very productive player to do it. Miami is almost ready to give him away, and would gladly trade him for a draft pick. They don't even talk about getting a player in return for him. What they're looking for is cap space. So they would defeat that purpose by taking back a player that makes 3 mil this coming season. However they would probably jump all over Landry as an alternative.
 
Not in a million years. Why would we want to make our team worse? Upside or no, Landry is by far the better player of the two.
 
A few days ago I said that if we drafted Cousins then we should see if we could upgrade our team by trading Landry. The theory being that Cousins would provide the post-scoring which Landry currently provides, but Cousins also would provide the rebounding which Landry struggles with. So drafting Cousins could make Landry expendable.

Now I personally like Landry quite a bit, but I still think he's an elite 6th man rather than your starting PF.

If I drafted Cousins and had a chance to trade Landry for Beasley I wouldn't do it. As many have stated earlier, Beasley is an immature under-achiever who hasn't shown the ability to truly excel in either the SF or PF spot.
Beasley's upside is vastly better than Landry, but Landry is a solid player and a great teammate. I wouldn't want to trade a great teammate for one who could disrupt things, especially with this young team, and especially if we also drafted Cousins. (I'm not saying that Cousins is going to be a problem teammate, but he probably will require a bit more time from Westphal, and I wouldn't want Beasley also there jamming up the works.)

Now, if we drafted Wall/Turner/Favors, I'd trade my 2nd rounder for Beasley. That way we do upgrade our talent level, bring in a good quality guy with our 1st, and keep our good guy in Landry.

Unless Miami is really desparate to clear cap-space while also coming to the conclusion that Beasley just isn't going to work out, I can't see them trading Beasley for just a 2nd rounder. But I think that around the league Beasley really has not done much for his trade value over the last two years, and I expect that Miami will be stuck with him for a little while longer.
 
No thanks to Beasley. Obviously he's talented but he doesn't seem to have enough determination to become a great player. Actually, I'm not even sure Miami does this either. Landry, although a better post player, is fairly similar to Haslem
 
jdbraver said:
It isn't often a #2 pick is available. The guy has talent.
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Beasley is a tweener IMO. He can play both SF and PF, but can't really excell at either. Landry is a better PF than Beasley, and I like our potential at SF of Greene and Casspi more as well. So I wouldn't do this trade.
 
I think going after Beasley would be a risk worth taking, depending on who we draft. He has potential, and a lot of talent, but really has under-achieved even since stepping on an nba floor. Not to mention the off court problems.

But he is young, and would be cheap on a rookie contract. Maybe a change of scenery would help. He wouldn't be the first young player who has had problems, to turn his career around. Plus, Miami might give him away for next to nothing.

However, NO WAY do I offer Landry. Simple as that. Wouldn't even consider it. Beasley is far from being a proven player in this league. But if Miami is just looking to unload him, and not add any salary in return, I wouldn't be against swapping some future picks for Beasley.
 
maybe not for Landry, but if Miami is really looking to dump him for next to nothing I would want to take a chance on him. Tons of talent and very young. We need more talent so I think it's worth the risk, especially if it doesn't take much to get him. If he could be had for a 2nd rounder and absorbing some of their other contracts I'm all for it.
 
I still like Beasley and would probably take a chance on him if given the opportunity, but he has not impressed me much since coming to the NBA.
 
No for the simple reason that theres about a 1% chance of resigning Beasley unless we severely overpay...He's not a SAC type of guy..
 
Bricklayer said:
No you probably don't. Its not just Beasely's shortcomings -- he's a midget who can't or won't play D and will never be a great rebounder unless he gets into a 6'8" and under league. Its of course that he is a potential chemistry problem, a druggie lacking dedication, smarts and stability. And he didn't get ANY better this season, which raises real questions about what his future holds. At his current level he's really at best a 6th man.

Landry is solid. People suggest trading him, but I think the odds are very low we do so. He's definitely limited, much more so than Grant and Jerry will let on. But what he does well he does very well, and he seemed to fit in seamlessly in the locker room. That is an important factor. If Toronto wanted him back in a Bosh S&T I'm sure we do it (unless we were idiots), but unless its a guaranteed huge upgrade in talent like that Carl fits our crew much better than most flawed second and third tier guys would.
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I totally agree...

We've finally got a team without drama, without problems, without conflict. Why we'd want to risk that for a player with more baggage than Samsonite is beyond me.

Pass on Beasley.
 
The only way to get great is to gamble on a talented player turning it around. It worked last time. Maybe his departure from the heat will be a wakeup call.
 
jdbraver said:
The only way to get great is to gamble on a talented player turning it around. It worked last time. Maybe his departure from the heat will be a wakeup call.
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Outside of his being a #2 pick though what proof is there that he has any real chance? Adam Morrison was a great college player too, but college ain't the pros. And Beasley, entirely apart form the mental issues, is just too damn small for the pro game. Its the Kenny Thomas thing all over again, except even smaller I think.

Now if we were just going to pick him up free, then the concern would be about the mental -- is going to mess up/distract the team by being an idiot? But the proposal here is to dump a fairly major piece to get the guy, and a piece that fits well in the locker room and on the court. You aren't talking about just gambling on getting ahead, you're talking about taking a considerable step backward, and then hoping that you still turn out a winner. If you don't though you've shot a hole in your tire jsut as this thing was startign to get going.
 
Bricklayer said:
And Beasley, entirely apart form the mental issues, is just too damn small for the pro game. Its the Kenny Thomas thing all over again, except even smaller I think.
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Despite what they're doing with him in Miami, he's just not a PF in the NBA. Period. He's a small forward. An athletic, rebounding, drive-to-the-basket, occasionally-post-up-a-smaller-guy, for-the-love-of-all-that-is-sacred-make-him-defend-a-wing small forward. He even looked like he had an outside shot in his rookie year (shot 1 three per game, hitting 40.7%) but that completely disappeared this year. Yet despite the profile, his splits as a SF have not been impressive, at all. I can't see him being a star as a PF. I can see him being a star as a SF, but he's going to have to get that shot back, and he's going to have to decide to be a defender.

Can he get the shot back? I don't know, but it doesn't seem out of the question. Is he the guy that shot .379 from three in college and .407 from three as a rookie, or the guy who shot .275 from three as a sophomore? I suspect he's the former, but will he work to get back there? Will he work to get better on D? Or is he just a head case? I think that's the real question. But if I were in charge and he were coming basically free...we've turned quite a few players around recently, and he'd be an intriguing candidate for the Sacramento Career Makeover.
 
Let some other team give Beasley a second chance. Landry is a hustling and hard working player. You don't trade guys like Landry, you get more of them.

KB
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Despite what they're doing with him in Miami, he's just not a PF in the NBA. Period. He's a small forward. An athletic, rebounding, drive-to-the-basket, occasionally-post-up-a-smaller-guy, for-the-love-of-all-that-is-sacred-make-him-defend-a-wing small forward. He even looked like he had an outside shot in his rookie year (shot 1 three per game, hitting 40.7%) but that completely disappeared this year. Yet despite the profile, his splits as a SF have not been impressive, at all. I can't see him being a star as a PF. I can see him being a star as a SF, but he's going to have to get that shot back, and he's going to have to decide to be a defender.

Can he get the shot back? I don't know, but it doesn't seem out of the question. Is he the guy that shot .379 from three in college and .407 from three as a rookie, or the guy who shot .275 from three as a sophomore? I suspect he's the former, but will he work to get back there? Will he work to get better on D? Or is he just a head case? I think that's the real question. But if I were in charge and he were coming basically free...we've turned quite a few players around recently, and he'd be an intriguing candidate for the Sacramento Career Makeover.
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I agree. If you can pick him up for a second roung pick, then fine. That would be worth the gamble. If it doesn't work, then you cut him loose. He's only has one more year of guaranteed money. But even for a 2nd round pick, make no mistake. He's not free. He's due to make right at 5 mil next season.

I also agree that he's not a PF. He has little or no post game. In college he relied on quickness and athletic ability to score in the post. But when it came to a real post game, Landry has it all over him. Bricky compared him to Kenny Thomas. Not a bad analogy. Thomas never had a consistant outside shot and relied on his athleticism and quickness to score inside. When age started to catch up with Kenny, he just wasn't the same player. And Kenny was taller.. But at least Kenny played defense.
 
bajaden said:
I agree. If you can pick him up for a second roung pick, then fine. That would be worth the gamble. If it doesn't work, then you cut him loose. He's only has one more year of guaranteed money. But even for a 2nd round pick, make no mistake. He's not free. He's due to make right at 5 mil next season.
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You're correct of course - I was being a bit fast and loose with the term "free" to mean non-monetary assets.

I would assume that Beasley's final year will have to be picked up sometime in October/November, just like all the rookie deals, so we wouldn't have a very long time to test-drive him before guaranteeing that final year.
 
Another undersized PF for the team?

Isn't it enough that we have an undersized PF in Landry to open our eyes to the glaring problem attached to getting one?

Landry is palatable because he is a very hardworking kid.

But to add another undersized PF and an under-achieving lazy player like Beasley?

No.

We are not assembling a team to win Championship at D-league.
 
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