Lakers @ Kings Game Thread

[pd23]

So You live in Sacramento and have no clue what Kings fans think about lakers - yeah right

No, I know what they think, but your post that I quoted was way off. Either you were mad that your team was losing or you just hate the Lakers so much that you don't know what is really going on in the NBA.

 

[vladetomiller]

The reffing in the 4th was as bad as I have seen it all year. They simply weren't calling both ends the same way. Of course, its the Lakers, so its to be expected. Somebody already mentioned the Lakers had 18 FT attempts in the 4th and made 16 or so.

Another thing is, almost the whole game we were either running the offense through Brad, or letting John ISO. How come in the 4th quarter, Reggie insisted on pounding in to Artest? That pissed me off. Kevin couldn't get a call off ball all night, and I give credit to him for not flopping. Kobe was grabbing his jersey around half the screens, and on that pivotal play Fisher fouled him and no-call.

. The refs helped though, but what else is new?

Unusual nubmer i agree, but can you specific about the instances where you think the refs bailed out Kobe or the lakers.

Probably Kevin was fouled in the play where fisher stole the ball but I didnt see any replay and didnt think it was a foul, Kevin didnt seem upset about that play either, but would like to hear your thoughts on why you think there was a foul. Because you assume in that play or is it because you saw a replay.

Grabbing the jersey - The spin move that Kobe put on Kevin had so many replays that you cant miss to notice the jersey pull by Kevin but I dont think it ended up as an and 1 play.

The drive that kobe had from lakers side all the way to the kings basket to get a body bump by Artest to get 2 FTs, kevin tried to stop kobe by the half line and pulled kobes jersey (again courtesy multiple replays) but they didnt call that either (possibly a kings complaint where it could have just been a foul and not FTs, not sure if the kings were in penalty then )

So in general i thought jersey pulls were allowed in this game, not sure who it would benefit because of that but saw many of those all during the game.
They let too much physical play happen for three quarters and suddenly started calling those fouls in the fourth. imo lakers adjusted better to those calls or it directly benefits them in that style of finesse play. Brad had some of him moments where there were some straight arm push and shove that werent called. Pau's technical was a direct reaction to a straight arm shove by brad. I think they should have called a foul on brad in that play, but at the same time I think they realized it and called a compensation T on brad when it didnt seem that bad at all. He threw the ball to the ref and acidentally caught lamar on his legs, dont think it deserved a T for that, maybe a late compensation.

But interested in hearing your take on instances where the refs were blatant.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I didnt see any glaring problems with the way the game was officiated last night, it was pretty consistant on both sides. The refs didnt blow the game for the Kings last night, Kobe took over and brought Gasol along for the ride with him, the better team won. I dont think that team will make it farther than the 2nd round in the playoffs, but who knows. Kobe is still in the Top 3 players alive today, and its debatable, but he might be #1 on that list.

 

[Glenn]

I haven't read the entire thread so may have missed this. Miller ticked me off at the end. Artest twice on one play kicked it out to Miller and instead of shooting, Miller kicked the ball back to Artest. We can't have that. Miller CAN shoot and SHOULD shoot. This is not Artest's fault. It ended up with a feeble shot by Artest who was posted up with Lakers all around him.

It really ticked me off and I like Brad. He just folded in the crunch.

 

[VF21]

Miller can shoot when he isn't laboring through being stiff and sore from the fall he took. It was mentioned several times. If he didn't feel he could make the shot he was totally correct to kick it back to someone else. Should he even have played? That's not my question to answer but I think it's unfair to say he "folded in the crunch."

 

[Glenn]

Miller can shoot when he isn't laboring through being stiff and sore from the fall he took. It was mentioned several times. If he didn't feel he could make the shot he was totally correct to kick it back to someone else. Should he even have played? That's not my question to answer but I think it's unfair to say he "folded in the crunch."

Maybe. He sure didn't look comfortable. It makes the argument about Artest get a bit circular though. He kicked the ball to Artest twice and didn't even give a glance at anyone else. I think Brad should always be out there because if open, he can still shoot. Maybe he should have back up a few feet.

 

[vladetomiller]

It also reflects on coaching. The last few posessions theus went with artest isolation which worked for them for most part where he was dominating lamar. Lakers countered in the fourth with some extra help and artest didnt know what to do, he tried forcing it, then he tried to pass it to miller who didnt know what to do either, he had open shots but chose not to take them and mikki got the ball and felt like touching a hot potato, looking for the first chance to pass to someone.

Kevin was running around in circles but didnt seem to get loose from kobe, a few instances where he did separation the ball didnt find him and thats more because the ball was not with the right passing guy. I think if he freed himself when brad or beno has the ball he could have gotten off a shot but when its with mikki and artest more likely the ball goes up than to kevin.

Are there even set plays for kevin (havent watched too many kings game this season as they are not that much on national tv ), did the lakers take away those plays, in either case reggie should have drawn out some plays for him. Why wasnt garcia in the game, he had that big momentum three and then disappeared.

And a complaint i have read so many times here on various games and still trying to see the reason behind it

1. artest foul on gasol for 2 free throws with 23 secs to go and lakers up 8
2. garcia foul on kobe with lakers up 10 and 14 secs to go
3. Timeout by kings, down 10 and 20 secs to go

Kind of minor but artest taking a last second three pointer, i thought winner or loser with the game already decided doesnt typically take a shot, maybe i am wrong and its only the team leading that is not supposed to take a shot.

Does anyone know what the odds were for this game, by the time i checked it wasnt available anywhere, just wondering if they were covering the spread.

 

[VF21]

Um, you don't know if Theus was even involved in the decision to go with Artest iso or not. That's another one of our problems. There are times when it doesn't look like Artest even knows Reggie exists.

 

[kennadog]

No, I know what they think, but your post that I quoted was way off. Either you were mad that your team was losing or you just hate the Lakers so much that you don't know what is really going on in the NBA.

Hmmmm....you really don't know what you are talking about, believe me.

 

[VF21]

He's a Lakers fan on a Kings board, kenna.