Kreidler: Peja's pinky only part of the problem

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Mark Kreidler: Peja's pinky is only part of the problem
By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Tuesday, November 29, 2005


Peja Stojakovic doesn't get it, that he is being punished now for all the perceived sins in his NBA past. He doesn't yet understand that he is being held to answer not for this year's injury, but for years of pent-up frustration from some of the same folks who once measured him for holy wings.

This is Stojakovic's time to be found guilty of failing to achieve immortal status. People around here wanted him to be All-Galactic first team. Turns out, he's just a really, really good shooter.

So it's about a pinky owie all of a sudden?

Wow: not at all. What it is about is history.

Stojakovic came off the floor after the Kings' practice on Monday and removed a bulky looking glove from his right hand. The glove is designed to provide protection and allow him to play while still trying to heal a sprain in the fifth metacarpal as it extends down from his pinky finger.

He hated the glove, no question. Every time anybody asked about it, Stojakovic tried hard not to make the bitter-beer face, and he used words like "weird" and "different" to describe how it felt on his hand. But it was either that or an old-fashioned tape job, and given that Stojakovic already had decided he would play tonight against Charlotte, he needed to at least see how it went.

Why play tonight, as opposed to any other night? Well, that's a fair question. The official answer is that another X-ray Monday proved negative, suggesting that the constant pain in Stojakovic's hand is just a very bad sprain.

"It will still be there," he said of the ache. "They (doctors) don't know. It might be there for a couple of weeks. But, you know ... I'm going to try to play through it and try to get used to it."

Unofficially, though, Stojakovic needs to get back on the floor after three games and a fair pot of controversy away from it. He needs to stop seeing his name plastered next to the "soft" entry in the sports dictionary.
He needs to get back to playing and scoring, which in Stojakovic's mind would put things right. What he still doesn't see is that the game is rigged.

Bonzi Wells probably didn't realize what a rich vein he was tapping last week, when his comments raised the general issue of Peja's toughness. Wells is new in town. The Stojakovic conversation runs years deep, through years and layers of emotion, playoff disappointments and vague, almost whispered comments about his ability to thrive in difficult moments.

The Stojakovic who arrived in Sacramento from the Greek leagues in 1999 was the player who came of age just as the Kings became genuine championship contenders. He looked fabulous in a winning uniform. He was surrounded by players who made him better, people like Vlade Divac and Doug Christie. He was tabbed for greatness.

As time has proved, Stojakovic is a fine but limited player. He's a classic shooter, a guy annually ranked by his peers as among the elite in the world at that craft. He rebounds only a little, plays some defense, doesn't mix it up inside.

Nothing wrong with that, unless you were planning to pay him a maximum contract (don't!) or crown the man as the Next Great Thing in the NBA. Stojakovic never was that, and he never will be, but sometimes the dream dies hard.

The furor around the Peja Pinky has surprisingly little to do with this particular injury. It's November, after all, and the reconstituted Kings haven't even figured out what they are as a team.

But some longtime followers of the franchise see this injury as emblematic of Stojakovic's soft career, which they see as itself emblematic of the Kings' late-era softness in general. "Injured metacarpal" becomes "bruised pinky," which reminds them of how many times they screamed at their TVs for Stojakovic to go banging in the lane or scrap for the loose ball, or that airball he tossed up at the end of regulation against the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals of 2002, and - say, how many years was everyone planning to hold this grudge, anyway?

Stojakovic took a radio reporter's question about his "pain management" Monday as, in his words, "you guys testing with your questions my loyalty to the team." He's missing the point, which is that people have been questioning his toughness - not his loyalty, his toughness - for years.

They want the player they saw in their dreams, the player Stojakovic never was. He is a great, pure shooter who can help any team in the league win games. Only sometimes is that going to be enough.

About the writer: Reach Mark Kreidler at (916) 321-1149 or mkreidler@sacbee.com.
 
As time has proved, Stojakovic is a fine but limited player. He's a classic shooter, a guy annually ranked by his peers as among the elite in the world at that craft. He rebounds only a little, plays some defense, doesn't mix it up inside.

Nothing wrong with that, unless you were planning to pay him a maximum contract (don't!) or crown the man as the Next Great Thing in the NBA. Stojakovic never was that, and he never will be, but sometimes the dream dies hard.

And, once again IMHO, Kreidler gets it...and this article pretty much sums up what I think a LOT of members of this board have felt.
 
I usually feel awkward heaping praise on someone, but I have to agree that Kreidler has been dead on in his columns lately.

It's not only that he obviously reads these messages boards, it's that he can pick through the venting and the exaggeration and the drivel and find a general pulse of a large segment of the fans and their feelings (or at least the segment of fans that I belong to ;)).
 
Bricklayer said:
Has Mark been lurking again? ;)

every time hey run out of ideas - they know where is the best source. We should definitely start charging for plagiarism.
 
piksi said:
every time hey run out of ideas - they know where is the best source. We should definitely start charging for plagiarism.

Can't plagarize an idea (and writers/reporters do so hate that word).


But if whoever is the beat reporter for the Rivercats comes up witha new byline which says "don't make me use the bat", I'm suing! ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Has Mark been lurking again? ;)

I have no doubt. This article read's like Cliffs Notes of all Pedja threads on kingsfans.com. Which is a really good segway into what I was going to ask VF21, Jeremy and you:

Traditional media cannot deal with Internet. People have been empowered to rumourmonger, deal in half-truths and broker fabrications on their own with little or no need for Sac(less) Bee, BSPN, KHTK or whatever other outlet. Furthermore, we've been able to dig up good, untarnished info too and for the most part analyze both fact and fiction with some semblance of reason and civility. On the other hand "traditional" media has sunk to the depths at which they can only compete at being ever more outragous $****-stirrers in print/online (e.g. AV) or trying to fake interactivity that is inherent to Internet through tv and radio shows based on the format that more and more resembles a lame-flame on a BB or forum (BSPN really rules this category, but any sports talk radio will do too).

Really, the only time most of us read Sac Bee articles is when they are posted here, so we never see their advertising anyway (btw, do they still require readers to sacrafice their first-born in order to register and log in?).

So, my point/question is: have you guys ever considered contacting Kings PR dirtectly and proposing to them email based interviews with Kings players and front office that would then be published on this forum? Something like slashdot.org interviews, where registered members can ask the questions via forum in advance and then 10-12 best questions are forwarded to the Kings. It could be a regular feature.

(I thought about posting this via PM, but it is probably best discussed here anyway).
 
Even though you addressed your query to Bricklayer, I'm going to give my two cents:

The WORST thing a message board can do, IMHO, is become legally bound to the topic of their discussions. It's very hard to remain objective if you have to worry about offending the people you're discussing... which could very easily happen if we were to become tied to the Kings in any way.

NOT that the Kings would do it, but if we did agree to such a thing, they might ask for editorial approval, clearance of questions, etc. That would make Kingsfans.com no better than Grant and Jerry during a game - strictly spouting the party line. I like us the way we are much better. ;)

As far as registering at the SacBee website goes, it's pretty much a standard process. I didn't find it at all daunting.
 
VF21 said:
Even though you addressed your query to Bricklayer, I'm going to give my two cents:

The WORST thing a message board can do, IMHO, is become legally bound to the topic of their discussions. It's very hard to remain objective if you have to worry about offending the people you're discussing... which could very easily happen if we were to become tied to the Kings in any way.

NOT that the Kings would do it, but if we did agree to such a thing, they might ask for editorial approval, clearance of questions, etc. That would make Kingsfans.com no better than Grant and Jerry during a game - strictly spouting the party line. I like us the way we are much better. ;)

As far as registering at the SacBee website goes, it's pretty much a standard process. I didn't find it at all daunting.

Good point. That is why it would have to be like slashdot, where the actual site owners/moderators just forward the questions and then post the answers without further comment and analysis. That would mean that you would have to refrain from posting in those thread, and I see how that could be very hard for you. ;)

As for Sacbee, yes the plain ol' registration is what I object too. I don't find it daunting at all I just don't wanna do it.
 
uolj said:
...he can pick through the venting and the exaggeration and the drivel and find a general pulse of a large segment of the fans and their feelings (or at least the segment of fans that I belong to ;)).

I agree!

And I'm amazed at how well Kreidler was able to explain what so many of us have been feeling.
 
Nothing wrong with that, unless you were planning to pay him a maximum contract (don't!) or crown the man as the Next Great Thing in the NBA. Stojakovic never was that, and he never will be, but sometimes the dream dies hard.
For me, personally, I realized Peja was not going to be what so many Kings fans wanted him to be and made peace with that some time ago. So I judge him by what I have seen as his "best," not by what I think his "potential" is, or what he "should be." Its long past time to measure by that sort of yardstick.

He has already reached his potential and what you see, is what you get. He is very, very good at what he does and when his shooting is hot, he is wonderful to watch and helps the team. And while not a great defender, he has worked to improve himself in that area and at least become a decent defender (high praise on this Kings team). So I judge him by what I know he can do (as shown) at this point. To expect more, or say he should be more, is to remain in the dreamland Kreidler is talking about.

At some point, Petrie and other GMs will have to put a price on that from the perspective of their teams. Some team may offer him an amount we don't want to pay, because they think Peja's particular skills are the "missing piece" for their team. They may be right, too. Maybe that means overpriced to us, but not to them. Its perspective and market demand.
 
If he has to wear a glove and he's still in that much pain, I'd rather let him sit it out. If he can't shoot well he's not going to do much besides hurt the team out there. I'd rather a healthy Garcia be out there.
 
Kreid is one of the only columnists from the Bee worth keeping IMO. I say we invite him to a Kingforum.com chat or something along the sort.

Oh with him stealing my thoughts

They want the player they saw in their dreams, the player Stojakovic never was. He is a great, pure shooter who can help any team in the league win games. Only sometimes is that going to be enough.

From 11/11 The Kings Problems Thread
Peja is Peja. Why everyone all the sudden wants to change him is beyond me. He has pretty much always played like this.

So he reworded it, added some words and then some more words... I won't charge him this time but MY EYES ARE on you Kreidler! Next time I charge you!
 
BigWaxer said:
Kreid is one of the only columnists from the Bee worth keeping IMO. I say we invite him to a Kingforum.com chat or something along the sort.

Oh with him stealing my thoughts



From 11/11 The Kings Problems Thread


So he reworded it, added some words and then some more words... I won't charge him this time but MY EYES ARE on you Kreidler! Next time I charge you!

:D ;)

Seriously, I think one of the things that sets Kreidler apart is that he GETS it. He can write about the team without it seeming like he's looking down on them, trying to find something to pick at...

Kreidler is more like a fan who manages to be objective and truthful at the same time. And I - for one - truly appreciate it.
 
I agree VF and he is like that in interviews also. To me he comes across exactly as you said, just like one of us. He is one of my favorites at the Bee.
 
kennadog said:
At some point, Petrie and other GMs will have to put a price on that from the perspective of their teams. Some team may offer him an amount we don't want to pay, because they think Peja's particular skills are the "missing piece" for their team. They may be right, too. Maybe that means overpriced to us, but not to them. Its perspective and market demand.

...and that is exactly why Peja should be traded before the trade deadline. In todays market Peja, as a free agent will be offered the max contract....by somebody. It would be a terrible waste to lose a player as good as he is even with his limitations for nothing. It would also be a waste for this team to pay him a max contract.
 
Elektrik said:
...and that is exactly why Peja should be traded before the trade deadline. In todays market Peja, as a free agent will be offered the max contract....by somebody. It would be a terrible waste to lose a player as good as he is even with his limitations for nothing. It would also be a waste for this team to pay him a max contract.
I don't disagree with that and its going to be interesting to see how it turns out.
 
Good article. I especially like the (don't!).

Nothing wrong with Kriedler's "borrowing" from us... as an effective journalist, he keeps tabs on the opinions of the most educated fans and expresses those to the non-kingsfans.com masses who are otherwise deprived of our wisdom. I just wish the Bee would publish some Mad D comics.
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VF21 said:
He's missing the point, which is that people have been questioning his toughness - not his loyalty, his toughness - for years.
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