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piksi
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I don't think so. Muss probably just didn't like the matchup with Crawford so he put Salmons in there. Going with the lineup that works? I dunno.
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KingsChick
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We're looking very good right now.. good start to the year.
SacKings384
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FIRE!!!
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Long Live the Kings!
Bricklayer
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Looked more like Muss just benched him for bad defense and then forgot he existed. You can see how/why Muss got fired in Golden State, and why it may well happen here too -- no respect whatsoever for player's egos and roles.
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Or maybe this will intice Martin to step up on D a little. Muss knows Kobe is coming up and he wants that game. So you repremand Kev this game for him to step up in the next. Kev is a good defender and stays with his man well. UNTIL he gets picked. With his body stature he gets thrown like a rag with somewhat weak picks. He needs to work on fighting around them or something. Salmons pitiful passing tonight was no welcome trade off for Martins D
After I thought about it, I think Kevin lost his minutes because Salmons was more effective against Crawford. But I cannot even begin to claim to be able to follow Musselman's thought processes, so I don't know...
G_M
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Ummm...Martin wasn't even in the sam area code as Crawford. Not sure why Martin was getting torched but it seemed like a no brainer putting Salmons on Crawford.
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Brick i disagree with alot you say. But this one strikes a nerve alot. You mentiond Muss having no respect for egos. That is exactly the kind of coach i want. If he starts pampering egos now especially Kevins. What kind of player will he be in 3 or 4 years. I will tell you. He will be a whiney little ***** complianing about this and that. Which is exactly what you hate. It goes with the whole shut up and play aspect we all appreciate around here. I would really like your in depth opinion on what i think about it.
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I wonder why?
Would you just knock it off? I, for one, am more than heartily tired of you calling Brick out at every juncture. If you really want to discuss this with him, do it via PMs. Give the rest of us a break. Really...
And just for the record? There's a BIG difference between having some consideration and respect for a player's ego and pampering them. And Kevin Martin is not the type to become a whiney little anything. Having said that, however, of course he has to wonder why he didn't get back into the game. He is our starting two guard.
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Bricklayer
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This is again classic high school thinking.
Its not high school. And its not the military. What kind of player Kevin will be in 3-4 years is a relatively happy one in Sacramento, as opposed to one who has either helped ouster his coach through discontent or who has moved onto greener pastures where the coach treats him with respect. And that applies to any professional situation -- not only sport, but endeavor period. When someone is good, you treat them that way, or they will either chafe and undermine you or leave you for someone that will make them feel special. That's basketball. That's football. That's business, law. That's life.
People who continually espouse disrespectful control freaks as coaches do so because their own very limited experience has been purely with an adult/child in school coaching relationship. That is not the NBA. And coach after coach after coach who has tried to treat it that way has gotten his *** canned, Muss included. He appears to lack any feel for how to keep elite guys happy, and has absolutely zero claim to the sort of superiority, in age, acheivement, etc., that would be necessary to get elite guys to accept crap from him.
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The way Martin was getting lit up he should have sent him to the locker room.
Bricklayer
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You have to know which side your bread is buttered on. Muss does not appear to do so. There is a way to handle that. And pulling Kevin is fine. Its the never putting him back in the entire rest of the way and humilaiting him that is not. Especially in light of his replacement's less than stellar effort. The correct ego play is you play Salmons through the end of the 3rd, talk to Kevin at the break and say you need him to match John's defensive intensity, then insert him maybe 2 minutes into the 4th and see what happens. It gives him a shot at redemption. If he fails, gets lit up again, you can then pull him realtively quickly and teach your "lesson" with minimal damage. You gave Kevin his "respect", his shot at redemption, and he simply failed it. If he succeeds then you play him most/all of the rest of the way, lesson learned and better for the team. But now benching your #1 scorer halfway through the third in a close game and never letting him sniff the court again in favor of a guy who had more turnovers than points...that's a slap in the face. And one that leaves the guy you benched frustrated. He has no chance to correct the mistake. And he's apparently being given no respect at all for his acheivements thus far on the season. Would have been really bad if we had lost it. As is winning will mute complaints. But these things are not forgotten.
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VF21 i was wanting Bricks full opinon in why he thought that because I thought differently. I just wanted more depth as to why. I didn't need your Rant. Brick and I were headed to a pretty good conversation until you butted in with thinking everybody is out to get somebody here.
Now back to the conversation. Brick Avery Johnson sat Dirk the whole 4th quarter of a game when he was only the coach for 1 month or so. Dallas then went on to play in the NBA championship. I understand your thinking. I also see your point. But there has to be a happy medium or else you do indeed get players that think they are above everything and actually harm the team. Aren't you tired of the players that run the team instead of the coach just a little.
Now back to the conversation. Brick Avery Johnson sat Dirk the whole 4th quarter of a game when he was only the coach for 1 month or so. Dallas then went on to play in the NBA championship. I understand your thinking. I also see your point. But there has to be a happy medium or else you do indeed get players that think they are above everything and actually harm the team. Aren't you tired of the players that run the team instead of the coach just a little.
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Muss said there would be changes and we have seen it two games in a row. He is going with what is working. Kev should understand that as a proffessional as did Artest when he played only 12 min. Look what happend the next game he got an A+ with 39pts 8reb and 4stls shooting over 60%
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